The highpoly is one sexy beast Gav, I can see why you wouldn't want to hurt its shape. But before tossing out the chaingun I would just really take it too the chopping block to see what you can do with it. If you do have to get rid of something I would lose the knife first. It looks like its just stuck on him and dosnt flow as well as the other items. And it is on his back so its not going to be seen nearly as much as the chain gun. My suggestions for cutting the tris on it would be;
A-Reduce the number of sides on the long thin portions of the 3 barrels.
B-Reduce the number of sides on the center tube that sits between the barrels since its hidden by those 2 discs from many angles anyways.
C-get rid of that small disc thats sitting just slightly above the surface of the front disc.
D-Maybe remove that second loop thats sitting close to the front of the big cylinder that the barrels come out of.
E-Terminate some loops that give the side of the gun body shape so you dont have so many running into that circle part on the side.
As for the char,
F-Maybe take out one of the loops that runs down his chest and then just slide one over to compensate, since you seem to have a good amount of tris there but its kind of a flat stomach so some of them dont seem to be holding much shape.
G-The nose rings on the knees could be reduced after you bake since they are pretty high right now.
H-Looks like there might be an extra loop that dosnt do much in that cylinder on his hip.
I-Maybe get rid of that little extra bevel on the top of the grenades, maybe.
J-Is this really needed? Might be able to cut some of that.
But again these are just suggestions, most of which could be wrong. Anyway I hope some of this helps. Keep up the great work.
GJ gavrolak! I am sending you some noods of me for texture reference. I think that I have the perfect skin match for your character. Keep up the good work dude!
nrek: Wow, thanks man! I followed your advice in some of the areas
This is where the character sits now, 9991 tris:
In order to fit in the chain gun I would need to find at least 1k (if i wanted the gun to not be super blocky) which I really think would damage the overall look of the character itself. Even chopping out the obviously unneeded parts (scrapping a grenade or pouch, getting rid of the boot rings, etc., I still don't think it would make enough room for the gun.
For me, the end goal is to just have the best looking character I can for my portfolio. I'm afraid that by over optimizing it, I will be sacrificing the quality of the final product..just to fit into the budget (which I personally think is too low) of the competition. So, what I'm thinking of doing is just making the character for the comp as is, pretty much, then once all is said and done...make the gun for him. Sort of two versions :P
If you sacrifice the machinegun, maybe you can make the handgun bigger (without adding too much poly), and put it in the other way, 'cause he has to grab it with his big hand so as he don't fuck himself up with the recoil (that's just a suggestion ).
Ah come on!
Don't give up!
I know you can fit the the gun. I know you can!!
Personally, the distribution seems a little wonky to me. IMO you have way too many polys in the details while leaving larger areas pretty sparse. I realize you want super rounded edges. However, I think all the teeny tiny little edges can go too that will not show up once you have all the ambient and color applied. The circle on the handle of the sword is pretty high poly too. Redundant edge loops on the back as well.
I know you can get this...I'm planning to budget 6.5k for my dude, 2.5k for the chick and then 500k for the weapon it'll be tight. But that leaves 500 polys to fix wonky edges and some PFX stuff.
Just do it!
B
Kzo: Thanks man No worries, the chaingun will make an appearance after the fact.
conte: Thanks man, your entry is looking NICE
Parnell: Thanks man, I chopped it down a bit more, but I don't think I could squeeze that gun in and both have them looking the way I want. Even after chopping out all the smaller bits, I'd still need hundreds...I think I shot myself in the foot by adding the gear After I submit, I plan on working more on this to make it the way I want it to be
Alright, started baking down the maps and got them to a place I'm happy with. I still have some cleanup to do but will most likely do that as I start texturing.
although you're making me feel a bit depressed, because if you can't get this budget to fit one guy and a gun in nicely, how am i gonna do mine with lots of eyes, extra limbs, multiple weapons and items?
~ Do it right. Model him another cannon inside the limit and spill some high poly on it. It doesn't have to be as geo mad as the last one and it could still balance it back out. What do you think?
Aftermath: Alright, alright, here it is! Don't read too much into this though, I'm still an atheist...crying babies just annoy me
Zatoichi: Cheers, guns in now...hope that balance sit out a bit more
conte: Thanks dude! Glad you're diggin it
Mop: Thanks man! You're thread's becoming a big inspiration for another project I have in mind, would love to try out the techniques you're using there. I've added the gun in (dig some serious chopping down...) though I'm not ENTIRELY happy with it and could really use, like, 200 more tris...I think it's manageable. Sorry for shaking your confidence haha.
Don:
Dreamer: I think that's a great idea. I reworked a bunch of the gun to help it fit in.
nrek: Thanks!
jox: Hahaha, yeah...I'm kind of a big deal (in some circles...which is pretty much my cat) Hope this update makes you feel better.
ALRIGHT, under the stress of peer pressure (looking at Parnell and Jox) I've done some serious cutting and managed to get the gun in under the 10k limbo bar. Still got about 20 tris to play with and I TOTALLY plan on using them somewhere. I had to sacrifice in some areas like the gear, the back of the hood (Which I may end up redoing AGAIN if time permits...it looks kind of funky from the back, but not so bad from the camera angle that will be used most often...we'll see) ..also remade the rings and some of the gun to fit into the budget. As said above, I'm fairly happy with it but would be much more comfortable if I had a few more hundred tris to play with (...maybe I'll polish it up more after fact, eh?)
Now, I think it's finally at a stage where I can start focusing on colours...all the clenup and any reworking will be done then. Sort of fixing small problems as I run into them.
If you win, or place in the top 20. I just want you to remember it's because we pushed you to get the gun in there.;)
Don't forget that!
Seriously, this is bad ass. I can't even tell there's a difference in the polycount. I'm also shocked by all the definition in the chest area and it's all baked! Very cool, I'm jealous. You might want to watch out for the rig though since the chest straps could get a little 'bendy/stretchy' looking if you pose him into something crazy.
thx!
B
I've always had a thought that there's really phenomenal and inspiring artwork out there. Above and beyond that, there is work that is so good that's it demoralizing. This, sir, is close to demoralizingly great work!
Parnell: Thanks for pushing me to do this man, it does add a lot and i was a fool to think otherwise. The pose is going to be limited, like you were saying, to minimalize stretching and all...but I've got an idea to make it look okay Thanks again man...and your entry is looking SICK. One of GA's finest.
gavku: Thanks!
Gonzo: Haha, thanks man.
morte: Thanks man, glad you're digging it
Kzo: Thanks! Check out the colour tests below
Demotion: Aww, shucks
haze: Thanks
Alright, just a quick one for tonight. Going to get into the nitty gritty bits here soon...just wanted to throw up this quick pass on the colours to show the direction it's going in (base don the earlier colour tests) and get your opinion on what you prefer...red or green...(though, looking at all of the logos on your t-shirts...I'm thinking green is going to win )
Just a quick pass, no spec or anything to give the materials the love they need...just playing with colour scheme. Thinking I might be working too dark, might see wha tI can do about that..as well as push out the copper colour a little more from the black base (thanks KP! )
great job on the bake, really glad you managed to get the gun in there. I like the colour scheme allbeit a tad dark for my liking. In my honest opinion i would remove his shirt covering his chest and leave that exposed but i guess that would affect your sculpt. The only reason i suggest that is because for some reason, with the head being the only exposed section of skin it kind of feels unbalanced to me. Maybe exposing a little bit more would tie him together a bit more?
Bake looks great. Nice to see you got the gun in there!
I like the Red slightly better than Green. It seems to just fade in and doesn't draw my eye as much as the red. Though Green vs Red is not as big a' deal as the dark purple/black colour that you've got over everything. It's not doing the detail any favors and is really, as Don put it, "bleh" for the most prominent colour. It might work to just leave the shirt pants and loincloth black but make the base metal a different colour. Maybe try something lighter and with more contrast.
Not much praise I can give this guy that hasn't already been given. Great work!
oh snap! I like the idea of green better, but the red really pops in the composition, so that's my vote. Maybe you could subdue the red to a brown-ish with some green accents.
hey dude cool update like all the little green bits on the big hand, i think it might be nice for the shirt piece to be a different color/ shade from the black metals, it just feels really dark. kinda torn on the color red vs green, i like both
I think there should be more contrast between the base layer (scarf, shirt) and the armour plates. Could try making the shirt dirty white and leave the scarf red?
Awesome character work so far...stunning. I been watching
this entry from afar over at total and its gonna be some strong
competition. I've been doing cinematic models for a while
but this is my first stab at a game model. Couple questions...
Did u take lover sub-d levels into max and topo over them and
render to texture for the normals? or did u take it to xnormal
after the topo? I know it's prolly a no-brainer for u guys but
I'm super new to the game stuff...:poly142:
Don:
r4ptur3: Cheers
frubes: Thanks man, I'm trying a slightly different direction. Let me know what you think!
Frump: I agree. Though black/purple/blue was the original idea from my paintovers, I'm not sure if it's working as well on the textures. Let me know what you think of the new choices...
Slum:
woods: Thanks man, still hammering away, check out the updates
woog: Thanks!
Spug: Thanks man
LEViATHAN: I agree, thanks for the feedback dude
Ged , Kzo: Thanks! There's an updated red version below
konstruct: Thanks man, did a little blue version just for you
Alright, another quick update. I've done some more tinkering with the colours. Trying something new with the metal plates, giving them some greenish colour. Also trying some new colours on the spandex and scraf, revisions of old ideas as well as some suggestions mentioned earlier.
Basically, all that has been touched are the metal plates, everything else is just being blocked in
I find it strange that you want to make his hood and tabard/loin cloth the most saturated and brightest piece on him, Perhaps tone it down and any of those colors will do :P
as for my fav out of the ones posted it's def the last for me. (least saturated and bright of the bunch oddly enough) LOL
btw I love how those skulls in the armor are pop'n, the metal treatment so far is groovy too, this is going to be WIN WIN WIN!
B is the best imho, and damn would it look way better if the glowy bits were yellow instead of green... That shade of green is kinda hard to base a pallette around i think.
My biggest concern with your color choices is simply that there are too many different colors. He's too vibrant i think
I like A personally Gav, here is another sample of playing with some different hues in photoshop. I think right now you have to much bronze going on with the model. Maybe break it up in places with some polished alum or steel. The neck piece and loin cloth areas have a more grenish tint to them and the body suit is more grey/black with some dirt on the chest and on the exposed arm to show wear and tear. Hopefully these idea help you more then slow you down haha. Keep it up man you dont need any crits from us you know whats right .
Heres my mockup hope you don't mind I didnt change up the model entirely thats why it looks messy I just edited a few parts to get the general idea across..
After thinking about it for a while I think Aesir was right. There are too many colours. You could just establish as little as two and work with that. In these instances (hope you don't mind a recolour job) I brought more of the reds and greens into it. In A the clothes and underlying elements are using the red while the green is in the armour plating and glowey parts. It's essentially the same with B. I established the clothes and underlying as green and brought the armour plates into a more orangey warm area so that they really pop off of the body. Playing with the complementary colours and warm/cool for contrast.
Personally I'm really liking the effects of B. The armour stands out and has a pretty consistent overall colour to it. The Clothes definitely fall back behind the armour and gear helping show the different shapes of the model.
I've never really considered myself to be too good with colour so take this for what it's worth.
Replies
A-Reduce the number of sides on the long thin portions of the 3 barrels.
B-Reduce the number of sides on the center tube that sits between the barrels since its hidden by those 2 discs from many angles anyways.
C-get rid of that small disc thats sitting just slightly above the surface of the front disc.
D-Maybe remove that second loop thats sitting close to the front of the big cylinder that the barrels come out of.
E-Terminate some loops that give the side of the gun body shape so you dont have so many running into that circle part on the side.
As for the char,
F-Maybe take out one of the loops that runs down his chest and then just slide one over to compensate, since you seem to have a good amount of tris there but its kind of a flat stomach so some of them dont seem to be holding much shape.
G-The nose rings on the knees could be reduced after you bake since they are pretty high right now.
H-Looks like there might be an extra loop that dosnt do much in that cylinder on his hip.
I-Maybe get rid of that little extra bevel on the top of the grenades, maybe.
J-Is this really needed? Might be able to cut some of that.
But again these are just suggestions, most of which could be wrong. Anyway I hope some of this helps. Keep up the great work.
Paintover.
http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gavpaintover.jpg
nrek: Wow, thanks man! I followed your advice in some of the areas
This is where the character sits now, 9991 tris:
In order to fit in the chain gun I would need to find at least 1k (if i wanted the gun to not be super blocky) which I really think would damage the overall look of the character itself. Even chopping out the obviously unneeded parts (scrapping a grenade or pouch, getting rid of the boot rings, etc., I still don't think it would make enough room for the gun.
For me, the end goal is to just have the best looking character I can for my portfolio. I'm afraid that by over optimizing it, I will be sacrificing the quality of the final product..just to fit into the budget (which I personally think is too low) of the competition. So, what I'm thinking of doing is just making the character for the comp as is, pretty much, then once all is said and done...make the gun for him. Sort of two versions :P
Let me know what you think!
Gav
If you sacrifice the machinegun, maybe you can make the handgun bigger (without adding too much poly), and put it in the other way, 'cause he has to grab it with his big hand so as he don't fuck himself up with the recoil (that's just a suggestion
Don't give up!
I know you can fit the the gun. I know you can!!
Personally, the distribution seems a little wonky to me. IMO you have way too many polys in the details while leaving larger areas pretty sparse. I realize you want super rounded edges. However, I think all the teeny tiny little edges can go too that will not show up once you have all the ambient and color applied. The circle on the handle of the sword is pretty high poly too. Redundant edge loops on the back as well.
I know you can get this...I'm planning to budget 6.5k for my dude, 2.5k for the chick and then 500k for the weapon it'll be tight. But that leaves 500 polys to fix wonky edges and some PFX stuff.
Just do it!
B
conte: Thanks man, your entry is looking NICE
Parnell: Thanks man, I chopped it down a bit more, but I don't think I could squeeze that gun in and both have them looking the way I want. Even after chopping out all the smaller bits, I'd still need hundreds...I think I shot myself in the foot by adding the gear
Alright, started baking down the maps and got them to a place I'm happy with. I still have some cleanup to do but will most likely do that as I start texturing.
Thanks!
Gav
although you're making me feel a bit depressed, because if you can't get this budget to fit one guy and a gun in nicely, how am i gonna do mine with lots of eyes, extra limbs, multiple weapons and items?
ps. it's yummy cake too :P
You're Gavin fucking GOULDEN!
Collapse every second edge loop on the BACK of the bullet, and delete the faces you dont see.
The face could use a few optimizations, and behind the knee pads, don't need that many loops!
CMON dude, the gun was so awesomesauce!
You can't show us that, then take it away!
XD
Zatoichi: Cheers, guns in now...hope that balance sit out a bit more
conte: Thanks dude! Glad you're diggin it
Mop: Thanks man! You're thread's becoming a big inspiration for another project I have in mind, would love to try out the techniques you're using there. I've added the gun in (dig some serious chopping down...) though I'm not ENTIRELY happy with it and could really use, like, 200 more tris...I think it's manageable. Sorry for shaking your confidence haha.
Don:
Dreamer: I think that's a great idea. I reworked a bunch of the gun to help it fit in.
nrek: Thanks!
jox: Hahaha, yeah...I'm kind of a big deal (in some circles...which is pretty much my cat) Hope this update makes you feel better.
ALRIGHT, under the stress of peer pressure (looking at Parnell and Jox) I've done some serious cutting and managed to get the gun in under the 10k limbo bar. Still got about 20 tris to play with and I TOTALLY plan on using them somewhere. I had to sacrifice in some areas like the gear, the back of the hood (Which I may end up redoing AGAIN if time permits...it looks kind of funky from the back, but not so bad from the camera angle that will be used most often...we'll see) ..also remade the rings and some of the gun to fit into the budget. As said above, I'm fairly happy with it but would be much more comfortable if I had a few more hundred tris to play with (...maybe I'll polish it up more after fact, eh?)
Now, I think it's finally at a stage where I can start focusing on colours...all the clenup and any reworking will be done then. Sort of fixing small problems as I run into them.
Thanks for the support guys
Great stuff dude.
Don't forget that!
Seriously, this is bad ass. I can't even tell there's a difference in the polycount. I'm also shocked by all the definition in the chest area and it's all baked! Very cool, I'm jealous. You might want to watch out for the rig though since the chest straps could get a little 'bendy/stretchy' looking if you pose him into something crazy.
thx!
B
I've always had a thought that there's really phenomenal and inspiring artwork out there. Above and beyond that, there is work that is so good that's it demoralizing. This, sir, is close to demoralizingly great work!
Fantastic!
Off to resurrect my business career!
It looks really great! Very nice work!
Can't wait to see this one colored!
55joe: Cheers
Belltann: Thanks buddy
Xaltar: Getting there heheh
Parnell: Thanks for pushing me to do this man, it does add a lot and i was a fool to think otherwise. The pose is going to be limited, like you were saying, to minimalize stretching and all...but I've got an idea to make it look okay
gavku: Thanks!
Gonzo: Haha, thanks man.
morte: Thanks man, glad you're digging it
Kzo: Thanks! Check out the colour tests below
Demotion: Aww, shucks
haze: Thanks
Alright, just a quick one for tonight. Going to get into the nitty gritty bits here soon...just wanted to throw up this quick pass on the colours to show the direction it's going in (base don the earlier colour tests) and get your opinion on what you prefer...red or green...(though, looking at all of the logos on your t-shirts...I'm thinking green is going to win
Just a quick pass, no spec or anything to give the materials the love they need...just playing with colour scheme. Thinking I might be working too dark, might see wha tI can do about that..as well as push out the copper colour a little more from the black base (thanks KP! )
Let me know what you think,
Gav
Anywho, cool stuff
I like the Red slightly better than Green. It seems to just fade in and doesn't draw my eye as much as the red. Though Green vs Red is not as big a' deal as the dark purple/black colour that you've got over everything. It's not doing the detail any favors and is really, as Don put it, "bleh" for the most prominent colour. It might work to just leave the shirt pants and loincloth black but make the base metal a different colour. Maybe try something lighter and with more contrast.
Not much praise I can give this guy that hasn't already been given. Great work!
-Woog
I agree with Ged, it's a cleric not a stalker, light him up a bit
this entry from afar over at total and its gonna be some strong
competition. I've been doing cinematic models for a while
but this is my first stab at a game model. Couple questions...
Did u take lover sub-d levels into max and topo over them and
render to texture for the normals? or did u take it to xnormal
after the topo? I know it's prolly a no-brainer for u guys but
I'm super new to the game stuff...:poly142:
r4ptur3: Cheers
frubes: Thanks man, I'm trying a slightly different direction. Let me know what you think!
Frump: I agree. Though black/purple/blue was the original idea from my paintovers, I'm not sure if it's working as well on the textures. Let me know what you think of the new choices...
Slum:
woods: Thanks man, still hammering away, check out the updates
woog: Thanks!
Spug: Thanks man
LEViATHAN: I agree, thanks for the feedback dude
Ged , Kzo: Thanks! There's an updated red version below
konstruct: Thanks man, did a little blue version just for you
Alright, another quick update. I've done some more tinkering with the colours. Trying something new with the metal plates, giving them some greenish colour. Also trying some new colours on the spandex and scraf, revisions of old ideas as well as some suggestions mentioned earlier.
Basically, all that has been touched are the metal plates, everything else is just being blocked in
A
B
C
D
Let me know what you think!
Gav
as for my fav out of the ones posted it's def the last for me. (least saturated and bright of the bunch oddly enough) LOL
btw I love how those skulls in the armor are pop'n, the metal treatment so far is groovy too, this is going to be WIN WIN WIN!
My biggest concern with your color choices is simply that there are too many different colors. He's too vibrant i think
A and D, but A will be my preference. distinguishes him with polycount colors.
Heres my mockup hope you don't mind I didnt change up the model entirely thats why it looks messy I just edited a few parts to get the general idea across..
After thinking about it for a while I think Aesir was right. There are too many colours. You could just establish as little as two and work with that. In these instances (hope you don't mind a recolour job) I brought more of the reds and greens into it. In A the clothes and underlying elements are using the red while the green is in the armour plating and glowey parts. It's essentially the same with B. I established the clothes and underlying as green and brought the armour plates into a more orangey warm area so that they really pop off of the body. Playing with the complementary colours and warm/cool for contrast.
Personally I'm really liking the effects of B. The armour stands out and has a pretty consistent overall colour to it. The Clothes definitely fall back behind the armour and gear helping show the different shapes of the model.
I've never really considered myself to be too good with colour so take this for what it's worth.
this one is my fave...i think he needs more neutral colour, not too saturated....this one is close
good work man!
A