Over the past month I've watched the whole series, and finally caught up just now. Pretty damn crazy episode! I like it when the series mixes up the formula. The series is really getting spread apart, the camps split in Jack's and Locke's, a large amount of others still about, AND the freighter folks, seems like they could fill a ton more seasons with all that is going on.
I'm interested in how and why Ben leaves the island. To take the fight to Widmore's people? Do the flight survivors band together with the others and overtake the freighter?
Vassago has a good case for Jin actually NOT being dead.
I knew there was something to be seen in that tombstone, considering they focused on it twice (once quickly but another time very specific). It was obvious the producers were trying to convey the dates on the stone are supposed to be noticed.
Jin being alive would ALSO give purpose for the Oceanic 6 to "want" to go back to the island.
So far in our flash forwards we know that Hurley eventually wants to go back. In the most distant future Jack wants to go back and now we have hints that Sun will want to go back too.
I love the flash back and the flash forward. I thought that was almost as much of a mind fuck as the time-travel episode.
Anyone catch the name of the boat? "Karma". I thought that was pretty funny when the two guys were conversing about wives and karma and then the scene went to an obvious shot of the boat with the name Karma on it.
Early previews shows that Mike might be suffering from that same cabin fever. I hope that we get a little back-story with Mike's character specifically what happened to him right after leaving the island. And to develop the potential mystical properties of Walt.
I think Walt may be how they are getting information back to Ben (with his powers). Also, I have another scenario that may fit in to the Jin being alive. What if he's in hiding from Sun's father? Remember, that's why they were leaving Japan, yet she's back in Japan now.
My prediction, the final episode, will be them returning to the island and reuniting with whoever is left of the group.
Hawken, I came to realize earlier as well that this entire post thread is just a big spoiler. Basically, only come here if you want to discuss the episode after it's aired, because we're all blabbering about it
it's not a faked death or anything. the episode was a flashback (jin) and a flashfoward (Sun). Producers said it somewhere that im too lazy to find and link you too.
and the ocean 6 are confirmed to be: Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun and Aaron.
Again, though, I can't give you any handy link as I get most of my LOST info the night the show airs then forget links and such.
However, I do visit DarkUFO for 90% of all my Lost info (whe I'm not browsing the SA boards): http://darkufo.blogspot.com/
Harold Perrineau, the guy who plays Michael, has been in the credits every episode this season. Kinda hard to spoil something the producers have been telling us about for seven weeks.
The boat was named Kahana. I have no idea what it means, but I originally thought it said Kahuna myself and had to rewind and see it again.
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Harold Perrineau, the guy who plays Michael, has been in the credits every episode this season. Kinda hard to spoil something the producers have been telling us about for seven weeks.
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pretty sure the point of that was to have us guessing which episode he would show up in, not that he was actually back. that was obvious.
however, they did it in a fairly obvious way with the whole 'secret person on teh boats'
I still doubt Jin died.
Hurley is a big ole` softie, a damn teddy bear. He loved everyone and everyone loved him. Look what happened when Charlie died - he bawled his eyes out. He was also close to Jin and Sun (obviously).
So why did Hurley not shed a single tear at the cemetery? He was looking at Sun with a "I know how you feel" kind of glance - but nothing that indicated someone died. Kind of like he was putting on a show for people watching - 'Sure, you're an acquaintance of mine via the crash, and I'm here to be nice' - but nothing that indicates that Jin has really died. I still think Jin stayed behind, for whatever reason.
I'm wondering what was the deal with the flight recorder though. It obviously landed near/on the island. The flight recorder contains GPS/Nav data on where a plane crashes, how it crashed etc. Why on earth would Ben stage a plane crash in the first place? Wouldn't it be easier for the outside world to just assume them gone forever? Secondly, why the hell would he put 815's actual flight recorder amongst the fake wreckage?
Something has bothered me for a while now about the story.
Ok, so the whole public knows the plane crashed. Didnt they say at some point they found all 300 or so bodies? If thats the case, why isn't anyone wondering where these 6 survivors came from? There are six corpses unaccounted for now...
No, what I mean is, didnt they already account for all the passengers with the corpses? If 300 people were found dead, and then 6 of them were all of a sudden alive, we have 6 bodies that are obviously not belonging to these 6 survivors.
Good point, I wonder how they'll explain that or if they even try too now that the claimed all the people died and now we have 6 survivors... I'm sure they'll try to explain it away.. or that's a hella big plot hole.
FUCKEN, I read b1ll's post not knowing the show aired that night in the US, so I pretty much had the entire episode spoiled for me. Serves me right for reading. I think because of that, I didn't really enjoy the show that much because I knew that Jin heading to the hospital wasn't to get there for Sun.
Michael being on board wasn't a surprise, seeing as we pretty much all picked it from the get go.
Really hating on Season 4.
Yep, pretty good episode. Answered the question I asked last week. This is a good start... maybe if I ask a question about the smoke monster they'll answer it.
So..What ever happened to that smoke monster? Where did it come from?
The "Island" won't let you kill yourself. So tell me did you the bullet bounce of your skull or did the gun just jam on ya?
WTF!! They better have an ending for this show, if it's got a sucky ending I'll feel bad I invested so much time..
And after tonight's episode I think the funeral was for Michael now as well, and that's why nobody wanted to show up even his own son since his son thinks he's a murderer now...
The coffin was awful small though, for Michael. At this point, I don't think we can assume anything about the coffin. Hell, that could be 2 seasons away still.
Good episode, nothing spectacular. Lots of info though. Can't wait until next month
Looks like a lot of action. Probably a lot of soldiers going to storm new otherton
hey something that I have heard that is an interesting theory is the "money" thing that the ghost seeing dude asked ben to give him. He said "3.25 million or something.
I heard that is code for a bearing or location///and again it was mentioned in an episode recap where ben gave michael a location of 325 when he was coming to rescue him.
Also, I think Danielle is an awesome character and hope she isnt dead yet..cause I was hoping to find out more about her
I doubt Rousseau is dead. She was shot in the lower right stomach, not usually fatal if treated. Carl on the other hand, got hit in the chest opposite the heart. He would not have died as quickly as the show put it, but he would have died within a short time frame.
Well the dudes that took out the guy and the french chick are the guys that were shooting guns in the flashback I'd wager. Seems like they are going to start taking out the peeps on the island unless they hand Ben over. Guess we'll find out in a month.
Rousseau still has a ton of story to tell. What kind of 'science' boat was she on? What was their mission? If she's dead that will never be explained. Unless Ben has more of an intimate past with her, which it doesn't appear to be so.
Or unless they kill her in the present and explain her back story with a flash back... I think the freighter Desmond and Sayid are on is the second boat Mr Widmore has sent to this location, the first was Rousseau's boat.
Just caught it, too damn sweet. As fun as the episodes like the previous weeks' are, I really like the ones that advance the "main" conflict storyline more.
Oh Vig! Good call. Sounds like a good theory that Rousseau was round 1 and current freighter is round 2. I also think that's why Whitmore did the boat race, to use it as a cover to look for the island.
You're on to something there, Jeffro. He was probably hoping for Desmond to crash there. He know Penny would stop at nothing to find him, so he let her do all the work. He'll just reap the rewards.
As for explaining Rousseau in a flashback, that's possible, yeah. Though that means someone has a tie to her. They've never flashed back to someone else's past through another person. They've shown other people in other's flashbacks, but never a character's main story. Maybe she's 1/2 dead, and she flashes back on her deathbed or something.
anybody else notice something looking like a bluetooth headset in alex's ear? The wife and I kept looking and looking and rewound and kept looking and it didn't look like any set of earrings we've ever seen it looked like a mic...
Yeah, I saw that. I was hoping for a different angle, but the show end and them my brain starts trying to compile everything it just saw and I forget about those details.
Finally got done reading through all that. Very interesting concept and very feasible. I think some of the future predictions may be off, but I think he's on about explaining what has already happened on the show. The only part I agree about in relation to the future (them off the island) is that Ben is the guy in the coffin. But I think it shows Jack they can die eventually.
One reason I don't completely agree with his future assessment is Kate. Why isn't fate correcting to make her a fugitive again? Instead, things are getting corrected to make her have a 'free' life. Unless fate is correcting for Ben messing up their past (resulting in them going to the island).
yeah that article is pretty good but time travel brings up so many other questions.. Like how did nobody age on the island but Ben. He grew 20 years in 20 years.
Yeah, it was an interesting read and an interesting theory. It makes enough sense and would explain a whole bunch of things. But up until I see it happen on the show, it will be just a theory.
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yeah that article is pretty good but time travel brings up so many other questions.. Like how did nobody age on the island but Ben. He grew 20 years in 20 years.
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It's explained in the article (sort of). He doesn't start using the time machine until the day he and Richard took down DARMA. Then they worked on making the whole island go back in time.
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I'm interested in how and why Ben leaves the island. To take the fight to Widmore's people? Do the flight survivors band together with the others and overtake the freighter?
I knew there was something to be seen in that tombstone, considering they focused on it twice (once quickly but another time very specific). It was obvious the producers were trying to convey the dates on the stone are supposed to be noticed.
Jin being alive would ALSO give purpose for the Oceanic 6 to "want" to go back to the island.
So far in our flash forwards we know that Hurley eventually wants to go back. In the most distant future Jack wants to go back and now we have hints that Sun will want to go back too.
I love the flash back and the flash forward. I thought that was almost as much of a mind fuck as the time-travel episode.
Anyone catch the name of the boat? "Karma". I thought that was pretty funny when the two guys were conversing about wives and karma and then the scene went to an obvious shot of the boat with the name Karma on it.
Early previews shows that Mike might be suffering from that same cabin fever. I hope that we get a little back-story with Mike's character specifically what happened to him right after leaving the island. And to develop the potential mystical properties of Walt.
My prediction, the final episode, will be them returning to the island and reuniting with whoever is left of the group.
Hawken, I came to realize earlier as well that this entire post thread is just a big spoiler. Basically, only come here if you want to discuss the episode after it's aired, because we're all blabbering about it
Anyone catch the name of the boat? "Karma".
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I think the boat's name was "Kahuna".
And regards to Micheal being a surprise if they wanted to be a surprise his name shouldn't of been in the opening credits for the last 4 episodes.
Kinda easy to figure out he will show up somewhere if his name is on the beginning of the show.
notman, jin died.
it's not a faked death or anything. the episode was a flashback (jin) and a flashfoward (Sun). Producers said it somewhere that im too lazy to find and link you too.
and the ocean 6 are confirmed to be: Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun and Aaron.
Again, though, I can't give you any handy link as I get most of my LOST info the night the show airs then forget links and such.
However, I do visit DarkUFO for 90% of all my Lost info (whe I'm not browsing the SA boards):
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/
The boat was named Kahana. I have no idea what it means, but I originally thought it said Kahuna myself and had to rewind and see it again.
Harold Perrineau, the guy who plays Michael, has been in the credits every episode this season. Kinda hard to spoil something the producers have been telling us about for seven weeks.
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pretty sure the point of that was to have us guessing which episode he would show up in, not that he was actually back. that was obvious.
however, they did it in a fairly obvious way with the whole 'secret person on teh boats'
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notman, jin died.
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That's what I've been saying
And yeah, DarkUFO is a good site. I haven't visited it for about a month now, but it's got the goods.
Hurley is a big ole` softie, a damn teddy bear. He loved everyone and everyone loved him. Look what happened when Charlie died - he bawled his eyes out. He was also close to Jin and Sun (obviously).
So why did Hurley not shed a single tear at the cemetery? He was looking at Sun with a "I know how you feel" kind of glance - but nothing that indicated someone died. Kind of like he was putting on a show for people watching - 'Sure, you're an acquaintance of mine via the crash, and I'm here to be nice' - but nothing that indicates that Jin has really died. I still think Jin stayed behind, for whatever reason.
I'm wondering what was the deal with the flight recorder though. It obviously landed near/on the island. The flight recorder contains GPS/Nav data on where a plane crashes, how it crashed etc. Why on earth would Ben stage a plane crash in the first place? Wouldn't it be easier for the outside world to just assume them gone forever? Secondly, why the hell would he put 815's actual flight recorder amongst the fake wreckage?
Ok, so the whole public knows the plane crashed. Didnt they say at some point they found all 300 or so bodies? If thats the case, why isn't anyone wondering where these 6 survivors came from? There are six corpses unaccounted for now...
Michael being on board wasn't a surprise, seeing as we pretty much all picked it from the get go.
Really hating on Season 4.
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Really hating on Season 4
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teh? Season 4 is the best season since the first!
-caseyjones
So..What ever happened to that smoke monster? Where did it come from?
WTF!! They better have an ending for this show, if it's got a sucky ending I'll feel bad I invested so much time..
And after tonight's episode I think the funeral was for Michael now as well, and that's why nobody wanted to show up even his own son since his son thinks he's a murderer now...
Good episode, nothing spectacular. Lots of info though. Can't wait until next month
Looks like a lot of action. Probably a lot of soldiers going to storm new otherton
I heard that is code for a bearing or location///and again it was mentioned in an episode recap where ben gave michael a location of 325 when he was coming to rescue him.
Also, I think Danielle is an awesome character and hope she isnt dead yet..cause I was hoping to find out more about her
The next 4 weeks are going to be hard to wait on
Last night's episode felt like filler to me. How come the two Desmond episodes have been the best so far?
As for explaining Rousseau in a flashback, that's possible, yeah. Though that means someone has a tie to her. They've never flashed back to someone else's past through another person. They've shown other people in other's flashbacks, but never a character's main story. Maybe she's 1/2 dead, and she flashes back on her deathbed or something.
Last night's episode felt like filler to me. How come the two Desmond episodes have been the best so far?
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joke?
there were a hell of a lot of answers, including a comeback of a major character. you can't get much farther from filler.
Yeah, that was sooo hard to tell, from when he told Kate "You're not my type" when in the shower room...
while the show is on hiatus, give this theory a read. It's pretty damn good:
http://duggmirror.com/television/An_Extremely_Compelling_LOST_Theory/
I'll post my thoughts once some of you have given it a read.
One reason I don't completely agree with his future assessment is Kate. Why isn't fate correcting to make her a fugitive again? Instead, things are getting corrected to make her have a 'free' life. Unless fate is correcting for Ben messing up their past (resulting in them going to the island).
-caseyjones
yeah that article is pretty good but time travel brings up so many other questions..
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It's explained in the article (sort of). He doesn't start using the time machine until the day he and Richard took down DARMA. Then they worked on making the whole island go back in time.