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  • .Wiki
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    Pultz said:
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    Model the stones separate. You can bake them down to a lowpoly version later. You don´t need to model everything as one piece.
    Thanks can you expand on that? the overhang is already a model by it self I have just set it on the tower. or are you talking about creating the small stones under as separate pieces and place them on?

    Yes, i would model the elements of the overhang and the roof out of seperate stones. Its much easier to adjust.
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    .Wiki said:
    Pultz said:
    .Wiki said:
    Model the stones separate. You can bake them down to a lowpoly version later. You don´t need to model everything as one piece.
    Thanks can you expand on that? the overhang is already a model by it self I have just set it on the tower. or are you talking about creating the small stones under as separate pieces and place them on?

    Yes, i would model the elements of the overhang and the roof out of seperate stones. Its much easier to adjust.

    thanks will try that do you got an example where you can see it done some where just for reference?

  • sacboi
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    Another technique to utilise, is to sculpt the details then apply an ffd/lattice modifier too deform the mesh into a stylised aesthetic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZcfLh8eaC4&list=PLA7A2AE046E0B5552&index=1

  • iacdxb
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    Hi, anyone can help me how to remove or mix these two edges....? Thanks.


  • rage288
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    Dude you are not even trying! :expressionless:


  • iacdxb
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    thanks but that was my last option. I was thinking that edges to merge with other edge.
  • Kanni3d
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    iacdxb said:
    thanks but that was my last option. I was thinking that edges to merge with other edge.
    Yeah, just average them out. If you really want, you can terminate these loops (blue) and make these red edges cleaner.


  • Pain
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    Sr, edit:
    another problem, anyone please help me with this



  • Pain
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    @sacboi : Thank you, I used the cylinder 12 sides instead of 8 and it seems fixed. Besides, thanks for your advice, I've been searching also. 
  • iacdxb
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    Hi guys... stuck in shape, I tried but i know it wrong but not getting idea to get its basic shape.
    I tried but its totally different which have to achieve.
    Anyone who can guide to get basic shape. Thanks.

    My try...


  • iacdxb
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    Thanks for helping.
    Is it possible to drop some more screen shots from where to start.
  • iacdxb
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    After that... here is my try.


  • SnowInChina
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    yeah, so i deleted the original after taking the screenshot
    so heres a quick one which shows the way


  • iacdxb
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    Thanks and much appreciated.
    ...
  • SnowInChina
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    you're welcome
  • iacdxb
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    Hi, No happy with the dome topology, some shading issues. Anyone guide me any other way.

    Thanks.


  • SnowInChina
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    use a rounded cube


  • iacdxb
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    I tried this but its not getting dome bottom corner edge.
    Even this corner edge is not correct.


  • iacdxb
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    I think I fixed it....

  • iacdxb
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    Hi,

    Anyone guide me to tackle these triangles and unfinished edges ?

    Thanks.




  • Rolfisway
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    iacdxb said:
    Hi,

    Anyone guide me to tackle these triangles and unfinished edges ?

    Thanks.




    I'm not sure, but maybe smth like these?
  • sacboi
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    @iacdxb

    https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-modeling/training/modeling/clean-edge-flow-t-vertices/

    ...probably nail down the basics first which will in turn enable intuitively modelling an optimised edge flow.   

  • Nominous
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    @iacdxb I assume you started with a subdivided plane and cut it up in order to create the silhouette. Instead, I'd block out the silhouette first, add support loops for subdivision surface modeling, and then fill in the space between for proper edge flow. Your workflow makes sense if the surface has a uniform curvature from left to right, in which case I'd combine it with a Blender-specific technique using the shrinkwrap modifier. Idk if other DCCs offer it, but you basically bend the subdivided plane to match the ref's curvature, model the actual high poly model using the silhouette-first method I mentioned, and then shrinkwrap the model onto the plane in order to match its curvature. If the surface is flat, though, there's no reason to use a subdivided plane.
  • iacdxb
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    Thanks guys for your guidance.
    ...
  • juanoblagu
    So in order to lower the tri count in the model i have been putting these triangles around, i know it works like these but i wanted to ask very experienced or wise topology artists if you have any input about it. (like where to put the triangles better, or if the trick with quads is better than triangles) or anything! every opinion counts! thanks in advance.
    PD: my dream is one day work at a big studio epic games like or blizzard (i know its a big dream lol) but im telling this for reference maybe you guys know how they work their topology.

  • ArsenyZvonar
    So I've been modeling Tachikoma here and encountered some problem. Thing is, I'm trying to get proportions as close to the original model as possible. The shape required me to create multiple holes in different places and as I don't have much experience with 3ds Max overall, using ProBoolean seemed like a good idea to me as this way I'd get those holes exactly where I needed and of the exact size, but when I try to render it I'm getting weird shadows around those holes.


    I get that it happens because of its bad geometry since smooth groups are set correctly and I kinda get how geometry probably should've looked like so it doesn't cause these weird shadows, but again because of lack of experience I'm not exactly sure how do I do that. Are there any scripts I could use in this case? Or any other ways I could fix the geometry? Cuz for now the only way that comes to my mind is adding vertices and creating quads manually.


  • Eric Chadwick
    @ArsenyZvonar I've merged your topic into this Sticky. Go back a couple pages to find the solution. Also see the first post. 
  • Soviet
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    So I've been modeling Tachikoma here and encountered some problem. Thing is, I'm trying to get proportions as close to the original model as possible. The shape required me to create multiple holes in different places and as I don't have much experience with 3ds Max overall, using ProBoolean seemed like a good idea to me as this way I'd get those holes exactly where I needed and of the exact size, but when I try to render it I'm getting weird shadows around those holes.

    I get that it happens because of its bad geometry since smooth groups are set correctly and I kinda get how geometry probably should've looked like so it doesn't cause these weird shadows, but again because of lack of experience I'm not exactly sure how do I do that. Are there any scripts I could use in this case? Or any other ways I could fix the geometry? Cuz for now the only way that comes to my mind is adding vertices and creating quads manually.


    Let me paste an example from a recent 80lv article, I hope they won't mind (https://80.lv/articles/002mrs-004adk-modeling-a-revoler-high-low-poly-uvs-baking/).




  • Adesh
    Im trying to model a fire hydrant, but i get some dents at the intersection when i do smooth preview.
    Any solutions please?Here's a better view

    I have attached the file

  • Adesh
  • ArsenyZvonar
    @Thanez Thank you a lot, man! I'll certainly try it when I have time. Couldn't thank you earlier as I wasn't home for a while, haha. So do I get it right that in order to avoid such stuff, no matter the shape, I just need to make transitions between shapes as smooth as possible? Like, not going from square to circle, but rather from square to squarish circle and only then to actual circle thing?
  • bibiboo
    Cleaning up stray verts from Pro bool ops is a huge waste of time!

    Welding verts via increased thresholds is one alternative, but it leads to Imprecise holes even if the overall look is perfectly passable. 

    Cue this handy dandy little 3rd party helper. 

    Run your probool op as you normally would, before collapsing to a edit P or adding onto the stack run this:

    http://www.scriptspot.com/3ds-max/scripts/cleanbool

    92ish% of the time it will catch most of the junk created by bools without affecting verts which maintain a shape. 

    That percentage may not sound truly impressive to those who want an evangelical solution, but it really has helped me in reducing clicks, mental fatigue and increasing time effeciency. 


  • annee
    Hi, guys! I have a serious problem with creating a rattan chair. I spent a lot of time trying to make it, but my chair is still crooked. It all started with the fact that I made an iron base, then I made a rattan plane and I tried to bend it. I had to connect rattan and iron base, and I decided to use rings shape for this. I deleted a couple of segments of polygons at the rings and connected them with rattan stripes and all this was tilted Probably it's one of crazy methods :D It seems to me that I'm doing everything wrong. Sorry for my English 
  • Doguib7
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    Hey there folks!
    I am starting a VFX project where I need to track a face then add a growing tip nose,(Something similar to Disney Pinocchio), tracking stuff I think is pretty easy but I am wondering about modeling, how can I manage it to stretch and have proper UVs or deformation, Nose should stay normal and suddenly starts growing some inches....

    I already have from base mesh the long version but it does not have same polycount...

    Any queue or tip would be appreciated!

    Thanks in advance masters!

    And well not late to mention... compositing stuff I thing should be a challenge!

    Here's a closer ref of what I need to model! Any hint would be appreciated!

    Using C4D...

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/gt46bntwm1xju6z/Nose ref.jpg?dl=0








  • throttlekitty
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    @Doguib7 The scope of your question is a bit large for this thread. Anyway, I would start with the elongated mesh and topology, and shrink it back to the normal nose shape, squeezing the loops as evenly as possible.

    I don't have a great suggestion on UVs and stretching, how much of an issue is the stretching here? Will this be using some stylized handpainted texture? Photoreal? Normal maps or Displacement? You may want to have a UV set for both nose states so you can blend textures appropriate for both as it grows. You can find some good tutorials on that in several of the terrain blending tutorials out there.
  • .Wiki
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    To reduce stretching you could uv the stretched and unstretched version. Render out one animation with the unstretched and one with the stretched uvs. To blend the meshes both need the same polycount and vertex-order. throttlekitty already suggested to do project the stretched topology to the base one, which should work.

    Then blend them in compositing. For the base pose you use the non stretched uvs, for the strechted pose you use the stretched uvs.
  • julienayheva
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    Hi Guys , There's something i'm trying to model and here's the picture of the part i'm trying to model but


     but i don't know how  i could join those complex shapes or just create them. Here's what i did :

    You can see the transition is not the same and i really don't know how to make it. Can someone give me some tips on how to tackle this project?


  • Doguib7
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    @Doguib7 The scope of your question is a bit large for this thread. Anyway, I would start with the elongated mesh and topology, and shrink it back to the normal nose shape, squeezing the loops as evenly as possible.

    I don't have a great suggestion on UVs and stretching, how much of an issue is the stretching here? Will this be using some stylized handpainted texture? Photoreal? Normal maps or Displacement? You may want to have a UV set for both nose states so you can blend textures appropriate for both as it grows. You can find some good tutorials on that in several of the terrain blending tutorials out there.
    I appreciate your help! Really help a lot buddy! Thanks for your support!
  • Doguib7
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    .Wiki said:
    To reduce stretching you could uv the stretched and unstretched version. Render out one animation with the unstretched and one with the stretched uvs. To blend the meshes both need the same polycount and vertex-order. throttlekitty already suggested to do project the stretched topology to the base one, which should work.

    Then blend them in compositing. For the base pose you use the non stretched uvs, for the strechted pose you use the stretched uvs.
    Awesome buddy! Yes that trick should work! Thanks for your suggestions buddy! Appreciate them! 
  • Nominous
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    @julienayheva At first glance, it doesn't look like a real life object since there's a lot of weird shading, shapes, and proportions that aren't found in most modern printers. If you're recreating a 3D model, you'll have to rely on the render/screenshot shading, however strange it may seem due to incomplete smoothing groups in 3ds Max, sharp edges in Blender, etc. I recommend logically placing edges in areas where the lighting abruptly ends similar to my paintover in green. In blue are edges that I'm unsure about due to the weird shading and they're a compromise that I make based on the model's silhouette:


    Even if you weren't trying to recreate a 3D model, it actually reminds me of a lot of 2D concept art featuring 'impossible shapes' due to a lack of accurate shading. :p The source ref looks really messy though and I'd strongly consider redesigning it to both look more realistic and to make it more aesthetic.
  • Geekson
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    Hey guys. I'm looking for the quick and the most efficient way to make these smooth transitions:



    And here is what i've got:



    I have troubles with corners mostly. Also it seems that i've picked too dense cylinder to start with, and while i probably have fewer troubles with shading here, it takes more time to handle all these loops and support stuff + it's pretty hard to edit. As you can see on the reference, there are a lot of similar shapes and transitions, so understanding of how to handle these will give me a solid speed boost, thanks.
    Edit:

    Another variant, but it looks worse imo
  • Paskuihernandez
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    Geekson said:
    Hey guys. I'm looking for the quick and the most efficient way to make these smooth transitions:



    And here is what i've got:



    I have troubles with corners mostly. Also it seems that i've picked too dense cylinder to start with, and while i probably have fewer troubles with shading here, it takes more time to handle all these loops and support stuff + it's pretty hard to edit. As you can see on the reference, there are a lot of similar shapes and transitions, so understanding of how to handle these will give me a solid speed boost, thanks.
    Edit:

    Another variant, but it looks worse imo
    If you wanna be quick one of the fastest method is to use ZBrush. Make the booleans in max if you want and then go to Z and polish it
  • guitarguy00
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    How would you guys approach this pump?

    I originally started off with a plane and made the flat parts in blue first but then had a very hard time getting the cylindrical shape circled in red above.

    After much experimentation and headache I managed to make this but I think I would have been better off starting with the circled red part first like in the last picture and then extruding out to get the flat parts?


    Essentially a quarter of a subdivided box with 2 iterations and spherify modifier applied with middle extruded to the left and the entire model scaled on one axis to make it slimmer. Which method would you guys start with as the way I originally performed it did not seem intuitive.

  • SnowInChina
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    not sure about this, the light is fucking with my eyes
    but i see this form more like this


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