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  • Anuxinamoon
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  • Sukotto
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    Sukotto polycounter lvl 8
    Wanted to pimp out my latest item. The badASS concept is by multitud3! Glad to have finished my first collaborative item: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=155062108razor_icon.jpg
  • I-ninja
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    I tried my hand at doing folds
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    Should I have the flower as the neck slot or do I make a neck slot and just have the flower be part of the head?
  • Boonta
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  • Fluoxetine
    Hello everyone, new guy reporting in. :D

    I've been working on this item for a while now, and figuring things out has been a nightmare.. >_>

    QgjMnxE.jpg

    So... It's not perfect, but I'm happy with how it turned out. (Being my first adventure into lowpoly modeling/sculpting/handpainting, etc..) If any of you awesome people could spare a few words to CNC that would be brilliant. :D

    Now, the problem I'm having is this...The item looks OK ingame, for the most part.

    KKZDvqB.jpg

    Attack and Idle animations are all fine, but running, among things is not...


    6XWtif1.jpg

    Has anyone encountered anything like this? I've searched a bit through the topic and from what i could gather, people that had alignment issues had them with all animations. Not partial like here. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. (Almost definitely more than one thing.)

    Sorry for the long post...I was also hoping for my first post on Polycount to be a finished piece and not a cry for help, but things never seem to work out. :)

    Cheers,

    -N
  • Frump
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    Well, this is a bummer. It seems that TA's shader is currently all kinds of broken. Makes me hesitant to present the set or submit it until it's fixed. It's really difficult to tell how my masks are working when everything is jacked up to ultra shiny. I made a post on the dev forums, I guess we'll see how that goes.

    DoubleLeaf posted the concept this is based on in his thread.

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  • vlad_the_implyer
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    Fluoxetine wrote: »
    Hello everyone, new guy reporting in. :D

    KKZDvqB.jpg

    Attack and Idle animations are all fine, but running, among things is not...
    -N
    What bone you skinned it to?
  • Fluoxetine
    What bone you skinned it to?

    Like it says in the Tech Requirements, axe_1.

    There's also one called Axe_Weapon at 0,0,0 coordinates, but I don't rly know if it does anything.

    Thanks.
  • Vayne4800
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    Just copy the skin modifier from the original weapon into yours and it should then work fine. Atleast that is how I fixed it for my Clinkz bow.
  • Spudnik
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    Baaaaaaller Frump, the sculpt came out really nicely!
  • CarlCraft
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    CarlCraft polycounter lvl 9
    So decided to call my goggles done, so here they are!
    8193EBC5E3EDB09453D9AA39DEB21E2C13C7762D

    Please vote on them aswell!:
    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=155191099

    I'd say I need to work more on the presentation. How do you guys do it? Dota shaders in Maya/Max and render from there? Not so much freedom for your composition inside Dota.
  • Fluoxetine
    Vayne4800 wrote: »
    Just copy the skin modifier from the original weapon into yours and it should then work fine. Atleast that is how I fixed it for my Clinkz bow.

    That...that actually worked. Copy/Paste and you're done.. :D

    Thanks.

    And not that it's finally published, I really want to do it all again... There's still 100 tri's left to use in the lowpoly, and the textures were painted directly @256x256... Only now i realize what a terrible idea that was...
  • OniLolz
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    Hey guys!

    We are doing a new set for Batrider. Here is a WIP of the mount:
    Still needs some polishing

    3noch.jpg
  • Neox
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    Neox godlike master sticky
    something finished

    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=155246429
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    The myths and legends surrounding this peculiar hammer are numerous and strange.The most well known tale suggests that a long time ago a humble and honest blacksmith came to acquire a mightful and terrible magical ring. He did not want it's power to corrupt the world. In an attempt to destroy it he placed it on his anvil and slammed down his hammer as hard as he could. There was an unimaginably loud screeching noise and a light with the power of a thousand suns. The villagers hurried to the smithy and found the he hammer fused to the anvil; still glowing red hot. The blacksmith was gone and never seen again. To this day it is believed, that the ring - still unbroken - fuels this terrible, magical weapon.

    and something that still needs a lot of love, codename Luna's pelt is still in the works

    lunaspelt.jpg
  • belkun
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    @Neox

    Wow! If making amazing items was not enough, those presentations are absolutely gorgeous! Can I ask you how you make them? Is it just a Marmoset shot with a cool background or there's something more to it? :D
  • Konras
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    OniLolz wrote: »
    Hey guys!

    We are doing a new set for Batrider. Here is a WIP of the mount:
    Still needs some polishing

    3noch.jpg
    Super cool! Just wings anatomy should be fixed (no extra bone going from elbow, just fingers) and you will be golden!!!
  • sdalton
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    Aumbra wrote: »
    When I first saw it I just put in the LoD1 model and it made particles all over about half of it. I think that it might have some kind of limit set internally.

    I'm not sure how the CK particles are but with the antimage ones they only go along the front edge of the blade (or are meant to traditionally). I made a new mesh which was basically a strip of polygons with all of the verticies moves into a line along the blade. I couldn't really think of a better way to do it in the short time I had but it seems to have worked okay.

    Ld4pyvc.jpg

    If you look closely (its easier on the default model because it's spread out better) you can see the circles in the center of the particles which happens to be where the verticies lie. But I believe that at least in this case it put particles between my verticies too, so there's more than I actually had. The possibly wrong way that I did my particles means that theres an edge that basically runs from the outmost vertex all the way to the middle vertex, but there doesnt seem to be any visible particle coming from inside the blade.

    Also I don't know about the LoD1/0 thing because I only ever imported an LoD1 weapon as it is never seen in the portrait, but I think it's safe to assume it would just apply to both (or perhaps its set to only work on LoD1).


    We have just started to add support for effects as economy items and support for them in general on existing items. There are a number of additional things we'd like to add to this basic level of effect customization for items in addition to full blown effect authoring as time goes on. This should ramp up quickly, but here's some information for creating effects on existing items. If you have questions about this process or suggestions to make it better, feel free to contact me. This information will also be going up on the submission requirements page shortly.

    Vertex Based Particle Effects for Items -
    For items which have effects on them by default, such as edge glows, item authors will be required to submit a .dmx or .fbx mesh which defines where these particles should go on their item. This will use base effect authored for the item and place the particles accordingly.

    To do this, create a new mesh, much like creating an LOD. However, this mesh will represent particle positions, one per vertex. Triangles, faces, and general connectivity do not matter on this mesh. The best way to create a mesh for this is to treat it as a single polygon. Keep in mind that particles will be created from all vertices in the mesh, so do not attempt to create valid convex or closed triangles in the traditional sense if this creates vertices in undesired locations.

    While it is possible to use the vertices from the original item mesh, generally speaking the density will not end up being appropriate for the effect. In addition, UV's, hard edges, etc. can create duplicate vertices in some cases which is generally undesirable.

    There is a hard limit to the particle count allowed for each item.

    While each piece of modeling software will vary, here is an example of how to quickly create effects for an item in Maya :

    First, start with your finished geometry. Select this mesh and Modify->Make Live. This will allow us to use the base mesh to draw vertices for our new mesh, while constraining them to the topology of the original.

    Next switch to the Mesh->Create Polygon Tool. This will allow you to draw the new FX mesh locked to the live geo. The entire mesh will be a single polygon. Draw points where you wish to see particles, such as along a blade edge. The density of these points will usually be higher than that of the normal mesh, it may require a bit of trial and error to get the proper density for the desired look.

    Once you’ve added all the points, you can export just the effects mesh. Name your mesh the same as the item with a _fx postfix, similar to an LOD.

    Loading the effect into the item submission tool will show you a preview.

    Good luck -

    Scott Dalton
    Valve
  • BrontoThunder
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    Konras wrote: »
    Super cool! Just wings anatomy should be fixed (no extra bone going from elbow, just fingers) and you will be golden!!!
    That's how the default Batrider mount is.
  • Zipfinator
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    What do you guys use to grab presentation shots of clothing on heroes? ASW and SFM Model viewers are both fucked with Dota items for me and using Marmoset or your modeling program you can't use the animations. Using the in game preview on the pedestal seems like the only option. The resolution for thumbnails would be fine but for a big splash art I don't think it'd cut it.
  • Plant
    Frump wrote: »
    Well, this is a bummer. It seems that TA's shader is currently all kinds of broken. Makes me hesitant to present the set or submit it until it's fixed. It's really difficult to tell how my masks are working when everything is jacked up to ultra shiny. I made a post on the dev forums, I guess we'll see how that goes.

    When I did the Third Insight set for the contest everything was fine, when it came time to adding it to the store my hair broke as well, super shiny. Ended up having to adjust the masks on the hair to fix it as well as redo the whole texture for more uv space on the portrait view, the other items were perfectly fine though.

    Not sure if it was a fix, or a compensation for a broken shader.

    Managed to find a pic
    2zs4mdd.jpg
  • Lennyagony
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    sdalton wrote: »
    We have just started to add support for effects as economy items and support for them in general on existing items. There are a number of additional things we'd like to add to this basic level of effect customization for items in addition to full blown effect authoring as time goes on. This should ramp up quickly, but here's some information for creating effects on existing items. If you have questions about this process or suggestions to make it better, feel free to contact me. This information will also be going up on the submission requirements page shortly.

    Vertex Based Particle Effects for Items -
    For items which have effects on them by default, such as edge glows, item authors will be required to submit a .dmx or .fbx mesh which defines where these particles should go on their item. This will use base effect authored for the item and place the particles accordingly.

    To do this, create a new mesh, much like creating an LOD. However, this mesh will represent particle positions, one per vertex. Triangles, faces, and general connectivity do not matter on this mesh. The best way to create a mesh for this is to treat it as a single polygon. Keep in mind that particles will be created from all vertices in the mesh, so do not attempt to create valid convex or closed triangles in the traditional sense if this creates vertices in undesired locations.

    While it is possible to use the vertices from the original item mesh, generally speaking the density will not end up being appropriate for the effect. In addition, UV's, hard edges, etc. can create duplicate vertices in some cases which is generally undesirable.

    There is a hard limit to the particle count allowed for each item.

    While each piece of modeling software will vary, here is an example of how to quickly create effects for an item in Maya :

    First, start with your finished geometry. Select this mesh and Modify->Make Live. This will allow us to use the base mesh to draw vertices for our new mesh, while constraining them to the topology of the original.

    Next switch to the Mesh->Create Polygon Tool. This will allow you to draw the new FX mesh locked to the live geo. The entire mesh will be a single polygon. Draw points where you wish to see particles, such as along a blade edge. The density of these points will usually be higher than that of the normal mesh, it may require a bit of trial and error to get the proper density for the desired look.

    Once you’ve added all the points, you can export just the effects mesh. Name your mesh the same as the item with a _fx postfix, similar to an LOD.

    Loading the effect into the item submission tool will show you a preview.

    Good luck -

    Scott Dalton
    Valve

    Cheers for the info Scott, looking forward to giving it a try.
  • Frump
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    Zipfinator wrote: »
    What do you guys use to grab presentation shots of clothing on heroes? ASW and SFM Model viewers are both fucked with Dota items for me and using Marmoset or your modeling program you can't use the animations. Using the in game preview on the pedestal seems like the only option. The resolution for thumbnails would be fine but for a big splash art I don't think it'd cut it.

    You can import decompiled animations to Maya or Max and they will apply to the rigged models you have open. That's what I currently do to get my presentation shots for sets. Single items don't even need that. However, decompiling the mdls of newer heroes no longer spits out the animations for some reason so it's not possible a lot of the time. Would be nice if they gave us the animations to work with too.

    @Spudnik - Handplane seemed to make a big difference in how nice the normal maps look in source. That's the only thing I did differently than before.
  • 7thBattery
    sdalton wrote: »
    Good luck -

    Scott Dalton
    Valve
    Just wanted to post and say, thank you so much for the info and hope to see communication like this ongoing. Very much appreciated.
  • fICHTARRR
    Working on sets got a bit tedious, so i decided to create a weapon within a day to test my workflow. Took me a bit longer, but now I'm happy with Slardar's new toy.
    3D5038B6B8B50C00160951E1808FACFFC9B278D7
    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=155265807
  • Anuxinamoon
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    =O thanks for the detailed description of the particles, Scott! Very very excited what this will mean! :D


    Zipfinator wrote: »
    What do you guys use to grab presentation shots of clothing on heroes? ASW and SFM Model viewers are both fucked with Dota items for me and using Marmoset or your modeling program you can't use the animations.

    Bake the animation in with the pose? Use marmoset!
    Make sure you get plenty of ingame shots and vids :D!

    ---

    Working slowly on a drow ranger set! Hooray for valve adding 250 more tris to her cape slot!
    higharmour.jpg
  • darkartsofneko
    I was working on skinning my shoulder item for enchantress today and I ran into a problem. With the way my item is designed, I can't seem to skin it so that both her attack and enchant animations run without the item going massively into her body. In fact, I can't even get it right with the enchant animation. I had it working for just the attack though.
    Does anyone have any suggestions other than redesigning the item? Is there a way to add bones with custom animations for items? I thought I'd heard something about it, but wasn't sure if it was ever implemented. I'd rather not redesign, but will if I have to.

    13_zps1f68a345.png
  • Swoax
    Would it be possible to change Mortred's Stifling Dagger to an other kind of dagger?

    or are we unable to do so?
  • vlad_the_implyer
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    Only the arms left, woo. I love the detail map for the LD
    pRVANcq.jpg

    Good to see we have some Valve support here!
  • Starmony
    Only the arms left, woo. I love the detail map for the LD
    pRVANcq.jpg

    Good to see we have some Valve support here!

    Awesome
  • vlad_the_implyer
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    Starmony wrote: »
    Awesome
    Wait till you see the summon and the trueform!
  • mrpresident
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    xiQ6ExJ.jpg

    Here's an ursa set concept I've been working on, looking for some feedback before I go any further. I feel I might've gone overboard with the spikes :poly105: . I'll probably remove them from the bracers entirely (I don't know what I was thinking lol), put something smaller, and maybe some more adjustments to the helm since I'm not quite happy with how it turned out.
  • Rubus
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    @mrpresident:

    I like the idea, but I think that the spike-arch position in the arms is just weird, a row of spikes without the arch would look better imo.

    Also, I think it lacks some element in the shoulder/torso transition area, as of now those back spike arches look somewhat detached. Perhaps adding some kind of pauldrons/wraps/gorget/whatever to the upper torso?

    The mask and hair look great though, curious to see it develop.
  • Anuxinamoon
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    I was working on skinning my shoulder item for enchantress today and I ran into a problem. With the way my item is designed, I can't seem to skin it so that both her attack and enchant animations run without the item going massively into her body. In fact, I can't even get it right with the enchant animation. I had it working for just the attack though.
    Does anyone have any suggestions other than redesigning the item? Is there a way to add bones with custom animations for items? I thought I'd heard something about it, but wasn't sure if it was ever implemented. I'd rather not redesign, but will if I have to.

    13_zps1f68a345.png

    I'll tell you to forget about adding bones. Somewhere,somehow you are able but it makes the actual implementation of your item into the game all the more harder for valve. So if they had to choose between your set which is hard to implement, or one that they can just slot right in, which one do you think they will choose?

    It looks like you can just get away with making it bigger to buffer the movement (or lack of thereof) Redistributing your polyflow or adjusting the mesh so that is doesn't hug the deltoid/bicep so much may also be an option!

    Try copying the weights from the enchantress body LOD1 if lod 0 doesn't copy over. I had a similar idea for a shoulder piece like that and wondered if I would be able to even attempt it with those tri counts :<
  • Paskie
    sdalton wrote: »
    We have just started to add support for effects as economy items and support for them in general on existing items. There are a number of additional things we'd like to add to this basic level of effect customization for items in addition to full blown effect authoring as time goes on. This should ramp up quickly, but here's some information for creating effects on existing items. If you have questions about this process or suggestions to make it better, feel free to contact me. This information will also be going up on the submission requirements page shortly.

    Vertex Based Particle Effects for Items -
    For items which have effects on them by default, such as edge glows, item authors will be required to submit a .dmx or .fbx mesh which defines where these particles should go on their item. This will use base effect authored for the item and place the particles accordingly.

    To do this, create a new mesh, much like creating an LOD. However, this mesh will represent particle positions, one per vertex. Triangles, faces, and general connectivity do not matter on this mesh. The best way to create a mesh for this is to treat it as a single polygon. Keep in mind that particles will be created from all vertices in the mesh, so do not attempt to create valid convex or closed triangles in the traditional sense if this creates vertices in undesired locations.

    While it is possible to use the vertices from the original item mesh, generally speaking the density will not end up being appropriate for the effect. In addition, UV's, hard edges, etc. can create duplicate vertices in some cases which is generally undesirable.

    There is a hard limit to the particle count allowed for each item.

    While each piece of modeling software will vary, here is an example of how to quickly create effects for an item in Maya :

    First, start with your finished geometry. Select this mesh and Modify->Make Live. This will allow us to use the base mesh to draw vertices for our new mesh, while constraining them to the topology of the original.

    Next switch to the Mesh->Create Polygon Tool. This will allow you to draw the new FX mesh locked to the live geo. The entire mesh will be a single polygon. Draw points where you wish to see particles, such as along a blade edge. The density of these points will usually be higher than that of the normal mesh, it may require a bit of trial and error to get the proper density for the desired look.

    Once you’ve added all the points, you can export just the effects mesh. Name your mesh the same as the item with a _fx postfix, similar to an LOD.

    Loading the effect into the item submission tool will show you a preview.

    Good luck -

    Scott Dalton
    Valve

    Thank you so much for this info! This will help a lot! Now i can resume my experiments with the particlesystem :)
  • vlad_the_implyer
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    I was working on skinning my shoulder item for enchantress today and I ran into a problem. With the way my item is designed, I can't seem to skin it so that both her attack and enchant animations run without the item going massively into her body. In fact, I can't even get it right with the enchant animation. I had it working for just the attack though.
    Does anyone have any suggestions other than redesigning the item? Is there a way to add bones with custom animations for items? I thought I'd heard something about it, but wasn't sure if it was ever implemented. I'd rather not redesign, but will if I have to.
    You can also try moving some of your topo to the right shoulder and add some extra skinning in hopes that it won't clip that much, but i think that buffing it up is the safest bet. You can also use alpha opacity on that fur (i think it's fur) instead of actual geometry, this will save some tris.
  • Neox
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    belkun wrote: »
    @Neox

    Wow! If making amazing items was not enough, those presentations are absolutely gorgeous! Can I ask you how you make them? Is it just a Marmoset shot with a cool background or there's something more to it? :D

    sadly tge last few items don't do very well n the workshop, especially compared to the way simpler first tstcase we added :X

    is there any source of what mae it actually in the game? before we fit this hammer to axe we searched for items in the store and the ones accepted ofr the game in the workshop. but apperently the hammer does was accepted but n added? How are we supposed to know that?

    about the presentation, yes its marmoset, with a bit of post - nothing too fancy

    nice dragonskin anuxi!
  • Spudnik
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    @sdalton
    You have no idea how nice it is to have some info directly from the source, thanks!

    @Frump
    How are you adding the animation in Maya? Hasn't worked for me so far...
  • Vayne4800
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    Neox wrote: »
    sadly tge last few items don't do very well n the workshop, especially compared to the way simpler first tstcase we added :X

    is there any source of what mae it actually in the game? before we fit this hammer to axe we searched for items in the store and the ones accepted ofr the game in the workshop. but apperently the hammer does was accepted but n added? How are we supposed to know that?

    about the presentation, yes its marmoset, with a bit of post - nothing too fancy

    nice dragonskin anuxi!

    Well, speaking from what I saw regarding items that got into the game in the past and now, their selection has had its standard set higher. Added, they might want to make the inflow of items balanced at many levels. They might like an item you made, but they don't see it the right time to introduce it into the game.

    Really, best thing is just enjoy making the items and never worry if it makes into the game or not. Trying to guess what they like isn't gonna improve the odds and you might end up forcing your creativity into a tunnel.
  • Neox
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    i totally agree to that, still i think some informations are pretty vague to non existent and of course it would make more fun to make items that are fitting to the game, so far we tried to reference that from what already is in the store and what people like - so we don't make stuff thats entirely unfitting, after all this whole topic is pretty new to us, so any information is good to know and will make items better for the game.
  • Uliss
    fx :thumbup:
    a-w-e-s-o-m-e
  • vlad_the_implyer
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    Following the hangout question about lighting spaces. Loadout preview actually inherits the testmap set-up, so you can basically test your item, run testmap, use something like Rabid for LD, or ult for Sven and have that effect in your loadout preview.
    sWnTkJT.jpg
  • Eddy Shin
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    hi guys, im newbie and i speak english not well... :(
    so i have some problem today with import model into dota2. i have color map, normal map, mask 1 and 2 but that thing get problem when i import them into workshop, pls help me :(
    Note:

    Starting import of mu...
    Compiling TGA: materialsrc\models\items\dragon_knight\0x063a7c05\mu\mu_color.tga
    - Compilation successful.
    Compiling VTF: materials\models\items\dragon_knight\0x063a7c05\mu\mu_color.vtf
    CTargetVTF::Compile( mu_color.vtf ) - RunCommandLine Failed - ""e:\game\bin\vtex.exe" -nop4 -nopause -dontusegamedir "e:\game\steam\steamapps\common\dota 2 beta\content\dota\materialsrc\models\items\dragon_knight\0x063a7c05\mu\mu_color.tga""
  • Andyk125
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    Great News on the particles, I might finially work on my Lina courier again :)
    @ Scott Dalton: Is it also possible to just change colors from certain effects? Want to use it on my CK set so the tail will be red/orange.

    Finially managed to get some more work don on my CK set, don't have much time lately but I really wnat to finish this in 1 or 2 weeks!

    Also Can someone tell me if it's possible to transfer skinning weights from 1 model to another, so I don't need to change so much on the CK mount I'm working on. Finishing the lod_1 allready was a pain in the ass :s

    Progress so far:

    7U0Ww8u.jpg
  • vlad_the_implyer
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    Andyk125 wrote: »
    Also Can someone tell me if it's possible to transfer skinning weights from 1 model to another, so I don't need to change so much on the CK mount I'm working on. Finishing the lod_1 allready was a pain in the ass :s
    Right click on the Skin modifier in your stack -> Copy
    Select lod 1, right click on the stack -> Paste
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    Right click on the Skin modifier in your stack -> Copy
    Select lod 1, right click on the stack -> Paste

    Wow so simple, thx a lot VLad!

    Found some more info on a different approach here on polycount but this allready worked perfectly.. :)
  • Rowinish
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    So I have what is probably a pretty noob question but I have no shame :)

    So I have this model I made really early on and I spent a damn long time texturing and sculpting. However I was ignorant to the fact of lods, so when it came down to it I couldn't reduce the polycount enough without completely butchering the uvs.
    I've heard of "skin weights" but I have never bothered with weight or other sorts of painting in blender. Is this the answer to my problem?

    Thanks!
  • Neox
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    i can follow you until butchering the uvs, how are the uvs connected to the skin weights?
  • Frump
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    Frump polycounter lvl 12
    Published! Time to... not sleep?

    DECA7E27D9D861D84001F16B9E97157E9A4264F8
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  • Vayne4800
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    Vayne4800 polycounter lvl 3
    Frump, I don't like TA much but this set makes her really appealing. Nice work.
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