Here is a hybrid of all of them, i think it looks best. Probably going for side cut off version, just need to play about with it so it looks like its been ripped off in explosion or something rather than being cut in a straight line.
For the theme i was going to go for defensive items as in playstyle for defensive heavies but i think its waaaaay too broad, going for war torn items theme instead, more aesthetic theme.
I think I prefer it without, I like to see all the bits. I think having a double barrelled minigun with a shield is like having your cake eating yours and everyone elses.
There were couple of good ideas: healer (medic or all engineers buildings if healed by dispenser) have 10% or so damage resistance -50% total ammo
Wider spread
Other suggestion was 30% explosion and/or bullet damage resistance while crouching 10% fire vulnerability even when standing
And other good one was reduced or taken away knockback while equipped.
Hey, just made an account to reply on this cuz it's a frikkin' sweet idea My main class is Heavy and the idea, the looks, and the stats all add up really good. I especially like the crouching idea :P When you see a grenade or rocket incoming, you normally move away, but now you just crouch real quick to reduce damage.
Keep it up mate! I hope you win:thumbup:
The gun's looking great so far! One suggestion; about the name, all of the Heavy's other guns have female Russian names... have you considered naming it that way? I could see this gun being an 'Oxana' or a 'Tatyana' or something like that, perhaps with an adjective to spice it up, like 'Mighty Oxana' or 'Terrible Tatyana'... I actually googled up a quick list of Russian woman's names, maybe they might inspire you.
Swetlana wooo. Name is really the last thing i'm concerned about at the moment, Turns out it might be impossible to animate the second barrel because barrel animation is coded into the game. Maybe tf2 team would add the needed code for it if it got anywhere. But it wouldnt work as a skin so good.
Hello, first time on this forum so be kind, but I absolutely love how the weapon is coming along. I had ideas regarding the other two weapons. Just some ideas that fit in with this armored theme you are working with.
Stun Punches- A pair of gauntlets with some heavy-looking metal plates bolted to the front, (hell maybe the words "Ka-Pow" etched into them. Basically a melee version of the Scout's Sandman, and acts to stun enemies with a reduced damaged punch, and a critical would stun the target for a longer period of time.
A Burley Blunderbuss- A replacement for the shotgun, yes not a consumable item. Why I suggest this is because I feel that a consumable item like a sandvich or chocolate bar or other piece of food wouldn't fit with this militaristic style you're aiming for. As far as aesthetics go, I was thinking it would be a larger barrel, heavier looking, and since you've already incorporated battle damage into the shield on your mini-gun, maybe the barrel of the shotgun would be cartoonish exploded.
See this image for an example.
Going further* You may want to make a version that only has 1 barrel so in case you cant get the rig or w/e You have a version that you can submit and would work just fine.
Hello, first time on this forum so be kind, but I absolutely love how the weapon is coming along. I had ideas regarding the other two weapons. Just some ideas that fit in with this armored theme you are working with.
Stun Punches- A pair of gauntlets with some heavy-looking metal plates bolted to the front, (hell maybe the words "Ka-Pow" etched into them. Basically a melee version of the Scout's Sandman, and acts to stun enemies with a reduced damaged punch, and a critical would stun the target for a longer period of time.
A Burley Blunderbuss- A replacement for the shotgun, yes not a consumable item. Why I suggest this is because I feel that a consumable item like a sandvich or chocolate bar or other piece of food wouldn't fit with this militaristic style you're aiming for. As far as aesthetics go, I was thinking it would be a larger barrel, heavier looking, and since you've already incorporated battle damage into the shield on your mini-gun, maybe the barrel of the shotgun would be cartoonish exploded.
See this image for an example.
Thanks for nice ideas, i had something similar to the shotty you suggested in mind
Taking 10 % less Damage while standing
Taking 20 % less Damage and Knockback while crouching
50 % more Ammunition
30 % less Damage done
10 % slower Movement Speed
I don't like it
Here's another suggestion.
25% less damage received from the front. (the shield only covers the front) 50% more ammo. (total of 300) No Knockback. (it weights a lot)
10% Slower move speed. (It weights a lot) 25% less damage. (75% damage) 20% more rev time. (Like pre-update)
This will make a very defensive weapon with clear advantages and disadvantages.
The 35% less damage plus 35% more ammo means Heavy's Minigun can kill slightly more enemies than usual before running out of ammo, but takes longer to kill enemies. No Knockback coupled with 25% less damage from the front, means that the Heavy will be better at standing ground while facing the enemy from one direction. Ideal for defense.
However his slower rev time and movement speed makes him less ideal for offensive play. He's more vulnerable to Spies and Snipers due to his movement speed, he's more vulnerable to every class from behind, and he's more vulnerable to Pyro due to the rev time.
(I know we're not focusing on functionality, but I just like coming up with the ideas)
Would make more sense to have +20%-35% more spread instead of less damage, and less ammo, The model has smaller ammo drum than Sasha.
Ah alright.
As the minigun barrels semed smaller it made to me less sense that they would be less accurate as they don't cover the same area as a the usual barrel does. I thought it would make sense to be more equally accurate but deal less damage.
I also thought since the gun was very big, it could probably fit more ammo.
Didn't take your ammo drum into consideration...
Would make more sense to have +20%-35% more spread instead of less damage, and less ammo, The model has smaller ammo drum than Sasha.
Well the damage reduction (which is logical with this shield) while crouching, makes the Heavy to an moveble Sentry and with this he will need a lil bit more ammo.
Dont forget: The Heavy runs with legs, that are long as his head high is while holding a big fucking Minigun.
The concept and idea for the Iron Curtain is beautiful, and I hope to see it as a coming addition. As for the current draft, the shield seems drastically lower than before. It's good for shielding some shotgun fire, but raising the unbroken corner to shoulder level would be perfect.
As for the attributes, bar everything else suggested, some people on other sites were thinking of making the downside being unable to move. It would be great for hallways, defending/attacking control points or riding on top of a cart, but wouldn't work so well near corners or if you need to go on the fly. To make up for it, bullets hitting the shield will do no damage, and explosives will only deal 40% while deployed. Practically, he'll lose whats left of his mobility for a very scary mobile sentry. He's still vulnerable from the other sides, and his head, but makes for quick area deniable when applicable.
Lol sorry, I am bad at doing math without a calculator >.>
I'll fix.
-25% then.
It does the same damage as Natasha, but has more ammo to make up for it rather than Natasha's slowdown.
While this weapon would be less efficient at killing than Natasha and Sasha, it would be better at holding off enemies.
Haha fragus, well i got a bit bored unwrapping it and decided to do some concepts for the second item. Got a few ideas for the name, Bear Baiters Bonnet, Bear Wrestlers Helmet and so on.
I'd use the mesh from 1. and put in scratch dents and scraped away paint instead of a missing chunk, paintwork of 3. of course. It's a bear baiter's helmet not a wolverine baiter's helmet, no need to have it stupidly beat up.
I do like it though, kinda reminds me of boba fett's helmet.
I was wondering same thing, i could just use bodygroups wisely and make it so it only flips down when you have your fists out or whatever. YouMe youre right, its too beat up atm, and its much too clean cut to make on metal, but its actually harder to draw realistic rips than it is to model them.
Not sure about the large gap bottom left on helmets 2 and 3, but I'd definatly go for the four gouge marks. Is it possible to model it on the heavy to see what it would look like when he's wearing it?
I just happened to have a tablet out whilst browsing your wares, and did a paintover of an idea.
How about: The helmet is still battle worn and torn up, but to break up the symmetry, how about have it sort of patched back together? Like little plates of metal where a chunk is missing.
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Also try joining the gap under the barrels, not just for 3, but for all of them.
I think I prefer it without, I like to see all the bits. I think having a double barrelled minigun with a shield is like having your cake eating yours and everyone elses.
healer (medic or all engineers buildings if healed by dispenser) have 10% or so damage resistance
-50% total ammo
Wider spread
Other suggestion was
30% explosion and/or bullet damage resistance while crouching
10% fire vulnerability even when standing
And other good one was reduced or taken away knockback while equipped.
Exactly, still fun to think up of suggestions
How about:
Taking 10 % less Damage while standing
Taking 20 % less Damage and Knockback while crouching
50 % more Ammunition
30 % less Damage done
10 % slower Movement Speed
Keep it up mate! I hope you win:thumbup:
- Multiple barrels might suggest A faster firing speed, or weaker bullets.
- Keep the cracked shield and add Bullet dents in it. This'l suggest that its strong against Bullets but weaker against explosives
- Make sure the shield is attached to the gun, and doesnt "float" randomly.
Attach it with some Duct tape or something else thats TF2-ish
If you put in the cracked shields & bullet dents, maybe use some of these stats :
+ X % Bullet resistance
+ X % faster firing speed
+ X % Knockback resistance
Bullet richocheting(sp?) ???
+ X % Explosive damage
Larger Spread
Slower movement
wasn't sure or feeling it on page1 but that developed into something totally promising
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No worries, dude... Just something to ponder in your spare moments. :-)
Stun Punches- A pair of gauntlets with some heavy-looking metal plates bolted to the front, (hell maybe the words "Ka-Pow" etched into them. Basically a melee version of the Scout's Sandman, and acts to stun enemies with a reduced damaged punch, and a critical would stun the target for a longer period of time.
A Burley Blunderbuss- A replacement for the shotgun, yes not a consumable item. Why I suggest this is because I feel that a consumable item like a sandvich or chocolate bar or other piece of food wouldn't fit with this militaristic style you're aiming for. As far as aesthetics go, I was thinking it would be a larger barrel, heavier looking, and since you've already incorporated battle damage into the shield on your mini-gun, maybe the barrel of the shotgun would be cartoonish exploded.
See this image for an example.
You're going to need to make a new rig so that it can have 2 spinning barrels...probably
Yeah it really is
Thanks for nice ideas, i had something similar to the shotty you suggested in mind
Here's another suggestion.
25% less damage received from the front. (the shield only covers the front)
50% more ammo. (total of 300)
No Knockback. (it weights a lot)
10% Slower move speed. (It weights a lot)
25% less damage. (75% damage)
20% more rev time. (Like pre-update)
This will make a very defensive weapon with clear advantages and disadvantages.
The 35% less damage plus 35% more ammo means Heavy's Minigun can kill slightly more enemies than usual before running out of ammo, but takes longer to kill enemies. No Knockback coupled with 25% less damage from the front, means that the Heavy will be better at standing ground while facing the enemy from one direction. Ideal for defense.
However his slower rev time and movement speed makes him less ideal for offensive play. He's more vulnerable to Spies and Snipers due to his movement speed, he's more vulnerable to every class from behind, and he's more vulnerable to Pyro due to the rev time.
(I know we're not focusing on functionality, but I just like coming up with the ideas)
Ah alright.
As the minigun barrels semed smaller it made to me less sense that they would be less accurate as they don't cover the same area as a the usual barrel does. I thought it would make sense to be more equally accurate but deal less damage.
I also thought since the gun was very big, it could probably fit more ammo.
Didn't take your ammo drum into consideration...
Gameplay wise it makes sense imho, it's intended for defensive purposes hence the shield I guess.
LoL^^
100 % minus 35 % are 65 % just to remind u
Sasha = 100 %
Natasha = 75 %
Swetlana = 70 %
@Buck
Well the damage reduction (which is logical with this shield) while crouching, makes the Heavy to an moveble Sentry and with this he will need a lil bit more ammo.
Dont forget: The Heavy runs with legs, that are long as his head high is while holding a big fucking Minigun.
"Sry for the bad English"
Cant wait to see a textured version.
As for the attributes, bar everything else suggested, some people on other sites were thinking of making the downside being unable to move. It would be great for hallways, defending/attacking control points or riding on top of a cart, but wouldn't work so well near corners or if you need to go on the fly. To make up for it, bullets hitting the shield will do no damage, and explosives will only deal 40% while deployed. Practically, he'll lose whats left of his mobility for a very scary mobile sentry. He's still vulnerable from the other sides, and his head, but makes for quick area deniable when applicable.
I'll fix.
-25% then.
It does the same damage as Natasha, but has more ammo to make up for it rather than Natasha's slowdown.
While this weapon would be less efficient at killing than Natasha and Sasha, it would be better at holding off enemies.
I do like it though, kinda reminds me of boba fett's helmet.
Keep it up.
I just happened to have a tablet out whilst browsing your wares, and did a paintover of an idea.
How about: The helmet is still battle worn and torn up, but to break up the symmetry, how about have it sort of patched back together? Like little plates of metal where a chunk is missing.
Heres a quick visualization:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/e0380121d3.jpg