@ Veerek Select a couple points on the scouts hat and hit Control "+" (on the num-pad)
that will select adjacent vertices, repeat until all is selected.
@Davidson My one main concern about your models is that they are a little too clunky and cluttered. Most models in TF2 are not very complicated in machinery or frame. This is kind of weird to say, but I think that if you simplify the model (for example getting rid of excess mechanical workings) that it would fit tf2 better. Less is more I suppose. I do think your models are very good, but they look like PERFECT weapons for a game such as Worms or as Tanktaur said, Rachet and Clank.
@Elbagast
Looking pretty awesome, but do you think you could at sights at the tip of the barrel?
@Monkeez I thought the Flail was great and strangely hilarious. I enjoyed watching the enemies heads get crushed with a flailing ball.
Also it looks like it would fit right in with the present melee weapons, but sadly the demoman has a LOT of melee weapons right now, which dims down its chances of exception a little.
Super late sketching tonight. Sorry I haven't done a whole lot of work with this, but im really happy with this one in particular. This is the Heavy tiki head. On the back there will be a surfboard with the Medic's face on it, and it'll be held up by some wood carvings of the Heavy's bullets. The tiki's back still needs more work though.
I don't know how I'm going to go about adding clean details to this, as the surface area is too small for sharp edges. It just stretches. I did manage to optimize the amount of faces, and size of faces in the UV layout, even if it took me all day.
Also, I've been having trouble landing on a good name for it. Potential candidates are:
Olga
Babushka (Second place IMO)
Kiska
Svetlana (Current one in use -- not sure if it really fits though)
@veerek I believe the best way to do smoothing groups in blender would be applying an "Edge split modifier" in a mesh. Apply "Set Smooth" for the whole mesh, add the modifier, disable "From angle" at its options, then start marking edges as sharp in Edit Mode with "CTRL+E". Make sure to check "Draw Sharp" in Edit Mode at "Mesh Tools More", to be able to see the sharp edges you marked.
That's is the only way I know it kinda works, at least inside blender. Maybe it doesn't translate to game engine, I don't know, since what the modifier does is leaving the edges separated once the modifier is applied. Maybe that's what actually happens inside game engines under the hood?
About the scout hat, at least with the smd model that the game already presents, it's separated once in Edit Mode. To quickly select it, just select a vertex and hit "Ctrl+L". Do this for the other separated parts too.
@The Scrub if you enable GLSL inside the menu "Game" at the top bar, then changing viewport shading to "Shaded" and add light, I think you will be able to see those shading issues in Blender
So this is the hat I posted earlier, but now in the model viewer. I think I'll rework it, add some detail and more bleeding at the seams and try to add jigglebones. C&C appreciated.
tabasco "tabasconator" shotgun, now with an 8 round revolver-style drum. Those two bottles with needles sticking out are meant to be taken by the pyro in an alt-fire mode and/or taunt giving him temporary bonus. now, as to where to put them external tabasco bottles: I'm leaning towards 3 or 4.
Blasphemy, before you go any further with that, you should go back and optimize your UVs. There are a bunch of areas that should overlap on the UV map to save you space and get you more pixels to work with.
All the things highlighted should be overlapping their counterparts:
The sides of the handles, the barrels, the things that hold the barrels together and a bunch of little circular bits don't necessarily need to have unique UV space because nobody will ever notice that the texture is mirrored on those parts even if you have AO baked into the texture.
I did some concept art for some Medic gear, inspired by some ideas in a Steam forum thread. Unfortunately I don't know the first thing about 3D modelling, so I would have no idea how to make this work.
The rods on the "backpack" bit would be tied to the Medic's Ubercharge level, so they rise as the Uber fills up.
I had some thoughts for stats, but that's kind of irrelevant, I guess.
Ok I am done with my model, heres the problem, i have no idea really what to do next. I am a modeler and havnt done much animation or rigging yet. All the tutorials i see for this are in Max and the latter half of this project does not seem to translate well into Maya.
At the moment the model is in OBJ format, it has one color map and one spec map tied to a phong. Its already been fitted perfectly to the Medics head however i dont know how to attach it to the bip.head bone using Maya. I am pretty sure once i get that far in i can learn the rest myself. Does anyone know any good tutorials for TF2 hats but in Maya? I would rather get this decompiled and exported as an SMD then just send the three files to Valve raw.
Anyway here is my model, The Practitioners Pestilence Protector or 3P. Modeled after plague doctor masks from the medieval era.
I would go with 3 or 4 aswell, although 1 works aswell, just not as good as 3 or 4.
I've done a bit of work of on the saw. I didn't get what blasphermy meant about the vial, so ive completely redone that.
Ive also removed the smaller clamps and widened the one big one, however now the saw looks even flimsier in my opinion, although I have added a crossbar which runs about 2/3 along it. Any feedback in that area would be prefered. Heres a few ingame shots.
I know that his hands clipping slightly, the black lines and that the shadings not perfect. But I want the model finalised before I really start perfecting those things.
I would go with 3 or 4 aswell, although 1 works aswell, just not as good as 3 or 4.
I've done a bit of work of on the saw. I didn't get what blasphermy meant about the vial, so ive completely redone that.
Ive also removed the smaller clamps and widened the one big one, however now the saw looks even flimsier in my opinion, although I have added a crossbar which runs about 2/3 along it. Any feedback in that area would be prefered. Heres a few ingame shots.
I know that his hands clipping slightly, the black lines and that the shadings not perfect. But I want the model finalised before I really start perfecting those things.
It might look better if the bottom saw was actually connected to the syringe part, like this:
you should move the straps in the handle because the hand is always obscuring them. besides, I think it's just too similar to the ubersaw, take a look at how different the vitasaw is in shape and silouette
@re.wind That's pretty cool. It seems like it would need custom animations though because of the lack of a pump. Oh, and I would go with #3 but add a third tabasco bullet.
@AAA_battery I agree with Smack, the new color is better. Also perhaps you could add in some coal smudges and discolorations. It seems a little too clean to have been used.
@Davision: I'm still loving this gun Dav No critiques from me @AAA_Battery: While I'm still not sure people will recognize it as a mining hat, it's a great looking model @Shadowplay: This would have fit in quite well with all the other halloween entries...very nice work! I am a 3DS Max user, so I cannot help you with Maya rigging =\ @re.wind: Do you have plans to add a grip of some sort? Looks a bit bare at the moment
I like alternate more.
but I think that green is a bit out of place, with the blue palette it might fit good, but with the red it looks weird. why don't you try to use one more yelowish?
@AAA_Battery: While I'm still not sure people will recognize it as a mining hat, it's a great looking model
thanks, i dont how to make it look any more like a vintage mining helmet, i think the biggest problem is that most people have never seen one in this style before.
thanks, i dont how to make it look any more like a vintage mining helmet, i think the biggest problem is that most people have never seen one in this style before.
Yea, that's what I meant You hit the design spot on, but people may not know that design
Thank you everyone for your kind words, i'm gonna do my best to figure out how to export this stuff. The textures were easy enough to transfer to VTF's but the model itself is a different story. Do i have to make the collision or does Valve do that? If all else fails ill just send the OBJ and and texture files and hope for the best but id really love to get this done as i have dozens of ideas bouncing around but id rather get this in and learn this before i start on another.
you should move the straps in the handle because the hand is always obscuring them. besides, I think it's just too similar to the ubersaw, take a look at how different the vitasaw is in shape and silouette
I think you have a good point.
Maybe if it was a bit longer it would look more distinct...
progress is going really slow, i got lots of other things to do. but i added some illumination to the brim of the hat, i know it doesn't look fabulous, but its the best i could get it after several hours of futzing with it. for the longest time it was to much and to bright, it also appeared blue against the Grey of the hat in the beginning.
Edit: i also fixed that seam running down the middle of the texture shortly after posting this. it was being caused by the lod textures, and got worse the farther from the camera it was.
@Shadowplay: You can use the compiler to generate the physics mesh. Submitting in OBJ shouldn't really hurt a hats chances since they only need to tie it to one bone.
I decided to do a series of concept sketches to see what I can do with my shotgun, and it turned into some design development:
The one at the bottom is probably my gun.
If you're wondering what that chunky thing on the front end is, it's based on the bayonet lug of a Remington 870, which is chunky and built to reinforce the barrel. The barrel rib went because it was reminding me too much of a modern gun's Picatinny rails. I think any further detailing will probably make the gun too noisy.
@ Elbagast: Good idea to remove the barrel's rail. I think concept #6 is the best, but i also like 4 because it's kinda stout, so maybe it would be nice to see 6 shortened to 4's length. As for the handles, i like that one on 5 because it's different from the normal one, but not radically different.
AA, That looks a lot better, I really like the changes you put into it. I really don't think it can be mistaken for the attendant and even if it can, it's not like it effect game play. There are a lot more hats already included in TF2 that are "WTF at a distance".
Noors, I'm digging that chainsaw!
Elbagast, I like the 3rd one, the detail on the detailing on the tips of the others starts to look a little more sci-fi for some reason.
I wrapped up the materials, meshes the first two and I'll be working on the materials for the chipper this weekend. The chipper is fully rigged and ready to be dropped in game but I ran into some trouble getting some example files out of the .cgf's but I guess that's due to the number of files in an update...
Got to work on my Mad Hatter a bit more. Made quite a few changes to geometry to make it look somewhat more seamless so will have to redo some of the UV's and texture.
Vig, that's awesome. It looks like the gears are spinning the opposite direction when you look at the teeth, you should try messing with the speed they're rotating at so it doesn't create that optical illusion. Some times it looks right and sometimes it looks like it's spinning the wrong direction, is that just me?
The model looks great but i think that you need something to add on the model. It looks great but a little bit boring (No the part with the wood chip, thats nice) Add a button that turns green or red on firing and when out of ammo. And maybe put on a note for heavy that says that the wood chips are not food. Make it look more interesting and maybe funny.
The Heavy Lumberjack pack looks awesome! Also, the mad hatter looks a load better.
Also, autokey beat me to my idea, but mine wouldn't have turned out very well, so it's better he did it - it looks good
@AGuyCalledSpyke: Haha sorry about that, but thanks for the comment @Elbagast: I'm loving the concept. Have you thought about widening the handle towards the butt end? I don't think the soldier's shotgun does that, but I feel like it may give it more of a TF2 cartoony feel. I could be wrong @Jedah: That mad hatter looks spot on! If you are going for the original look though, I think you need to make the band a bit thicker. And possibly even turn up the sides of the brim:
@Vig: This set is amazing. I think you should put some sort of warning sticker on the wood chip door
Vig, that's awesome. It looks like the gears are spinning the opposite direction when you look at the teeth, you should try messing with the speed they're rotating at so it doesn't create that optical illusion. Some times it looks right and sometimes it looks like it's spinning the wrong direction, is that just me?
Yea I need to adjust the speed or reduce the number of teeth on the gears. At first I thought it was just the playback speed of the gif (its playing kind of fast in my browser) then I rendered out a AVI and it had the wagon wheel effect too. I wanted to try it out in game at 24fps instead of 30 (1 360 rotation per 30 frames for 90 frames) and see how it looks before I mess with the model. It's not like its all that hard to skin but it might be a easy fix in the QC file?
Vig - would it be possible to sacrifice the club for extra ammo?
Ha ha ha, I like it. But I'll leave that up to valve if they decide to put it in. You should be able to drop multiple logs in there before you're out of ammo. I envision it being a bit like a BAR in Day of Defeat or CoD1-2, low amount of ammo per clip, fairly high accuracy and pretty high impact.
The model looks great but i think that you need something to add on the model. It looks great but a little bit boring (No the part with the wood chip, thats nice) Add a button that turns green or red on firing and when out of ammo. And maybe put on a note for heavy that says that the wood chips are not food. Make it look more interesting and maybe funny.
I like those ideas, I was planning on doing a machine data plate on the feeder but a warning"Chips are fuel not food" or something like that would be fun. Maybe a "splinter removal/first aid kit", maybe the latch is loose and the lid flaps up and down a bit.... humm...
@autokey don't worry about it - it wouldn't have looked any good if I did it
I also had an idea for a Rudolph thing for the Scout... maybe I could do Jack Frost for the Spy?
I just extracted the golden wrench material and texture to learn how valve does gold and I found that this is the texture
which I guess is the normal wrench texture... so... the VMT looks like this.
I just extracted the golden wrench material and texture to learn how valve does gold and I found that this is the texture
Is all the properties that make the golden wrench golden in that file or do I just extracted a wrong file?
I think it comes from the cubemap and the tint they put on it. It's a pretty smart way to handle creating a new material without creating more textures.
well that is now the last of my worries. I made the whole hand using as reference the world model with its world bones..
Just a minute ago I found and decompiled the VIEW model with its view bones.. they don't match at all. I have to do two versions, one for each set of bones.
On the bright side, the view model of the gunslinger and my replacement have almost the same polycount
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that will select adjacent vertices, repeat until all is selected.
@Davidson My one main concern about your models is that they are a little too clunky and cluttered. Most models in TF2 are not very complicated in machinery or frame. This is kind of weird to say, but I think that if you simplify the model (for example getting rid of excess mechanical workings) that it would fit tf2 better. Less is more I suppose. I do think your models are very good, but they look like PERFECT weapons for a game such as Worms or as Tanktaur said, Rachet and Clank.
@Elbagast
Looking pretty awesome, but do you think you could at sights at the tip of the barrel?
@Monkeez I thought the Flail was great and strangely hilarious. I enjoyed watching the enemies heads get crushed with a flailing ball.
Also it looks like it would fit right in with the present melee weapons, but sadly the demoman has a LOT of melee weapons right now, which dims down its chances of exception a little.
And by the way, highly recommended listening if you're doing work in this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LigbX94pko&feature=related
I don't know how I'm going to go about adding clean details to this, as the surface area is too small for sharp edges. It just stretches. I did manage to optimize the amount of faces, and size of faces in the UV layout, even if it took me all day.
Also, I've been having trouble landing on a good name for it. Potential candidates are:
Olga
Babushka (Second place IMO)
Kiska
Svetlana (Current one in use -- not sure if it really fits though)
What do you guys think?
babouchka means grandma so it could be cool
Also you sould split some edges in the uv to keep things straight.
That's is the only way I know it kinda works, at least inside blender. Maybe it doesn't translate to game engine, I don't know, since what the modifier does is leaving the edges separated once the modifier is applied. Maybe that's what actually happens inside game engines under the hood?
About the scout hat, at least with the smd model that the game already presents, it's separated once in Edit Mode. To quickly select it, just select a vertex and hit "Ctrl+L". Do this for the other separated parts too.
@Blasphemy model looks great! I like Babushka
@The Scrub if you enable GLSL inside the menu "Game" at the top bar, then changing viewport shading to "Shaded" and add light, I think you will be able to see those shading issues in Blender
So this is the hat I posted earlier, but now in the model viewer. I think I'll rework it, add some detail and more bleeding at the seams and try to add jigglebones. C&C appreciated.
^^^
WIP
And what you think about who he should be?
Santa Claus:
Or his RUSSIAN colleague - Дед Мороз (Ded Moroz, readin' as [Ded Moroz]):
*The picture is bright, i know.
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What do u think?
All the things highlighted should be overlapping their counterparts:
The sides of the handles, the barrels, the things that hold the barrels together and a bunch of little circular bits don't necessarily need to have unique UV space because nobody will ever notice that the texture is mirrored on those parts even if you have AO baked into the texture.
U know heavy got something like this today !
The rods on the "backpack" bit would be tied to the Medic's Ubercharge level, so they rise as the Uber fills up.
I had some thoughts for stats, but that's kind of irrelevant, I guess.
At the moment the model is in OBJ format, it has one color map and one spec map tied to a phong. Its already been fitted perfectly to the Medics head however i dont know how to attach it to the bip.head bone using Maya. I am pretty sure once i get that far in i can learn the rest myself. Does anyone know any good tutorials for TF2 hats but in Maya? I would rather get this decompiled and exported as an SMD then just send the three files to Valve raw.
Anyway here is my model, The Practitioners Pestilence Protector or 3P. Modeled after plague doctor masks from the medieval era.
Mask and hat are all one piece
I would go with 3 or 4 aswell, although 1 works aswell, just not as good as 3 or 4.
I've done a bit of work of on the saw. I didn't get what blasphermy meant about the vial, so ive completely redone that.
Ive also removed the smaller clamps and widened the one big one, however now the saw looks even flimsier in my opinion, although I have added a crossbar which runs about 2/3 along it. Any feedback in that area would be prefered. Heres a few ingame shots.
I know that his hands clipping slightly, the black lines and that the shadings not perfect. But I want the model finalised before I really start perfecting those things.
old version: http://www.vitamin3d.com/bilder/bigbombslauncherblocking.jpg
It might look better if the bottom saw was actually connected to the syringe part, like this:
Also, see attached, my suggestions are making the upper part a bit longer and moving the handle down slightly.
The handle just feels kinda weird in my opinion, it's too big :S
Otherwise the saw is looking great!
@re.wind That's pretty cool. It seems like it would need custom animations though because of the lack of a pump. Oh, and I would go with #3 but add a third tabasco bullet.
@AAA_battery I agree with Smack, the new color is better. Also perhaps you could add in some coal smudges and discolorations. It seems a little too clean to have been used.
Missle-Toe: 800 tris - 439 polys
The material and shaders are still WIP
@GoLDeN That's great! Maybe you could paint a red/blue shaky target, just to mess with snipers while you ambush that ubercharged medic
@RedSheep
@Shadowplay You checked the Valve developer wiki? http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Maya#External_links. There you'll find a list with some tuts, but I don't know if they will work. Also really digging the hat.
crits welcome
@AAA_Battery: While I'm still not sure people will recognize it as a mining hat, it's a great looking model
@Shadowplay: This would have fit in quite well with all the other halloween entries...very nice work! I am a 3DS Max user, so I cannot help you with Maya rigging =\
@re.wind: Do you have plans to add a grip of some sort? Looks a bit bare at the moment
I like alternate more.
but I think that green is a bit out of place, with the blue palette it might fit good, but with the red it looks weird. why don't you try to use one more yelowish?
thanks, i dont how to make it look any more like a vintage mining helmet, i think the biggest problem is that most people have never seen one in this style before.
Here are a few more shots
I think you have a good point.
Maybe if it was a bit longer it would look more distinct...
Edit: i also fixed that seam running down the middle of the texture shortly after posting this. it was being caused by the lod textures, and got worse the farther from the camera it was.
@Shadowplay: You can use the compiler to generate the physics mesh. Submitting in OBJ shouldn't really hurt a hats chances since they only need to tie it to one bone.
I decided to do a series of concept sketches to see what I can do with my shotgun, and it turned into some design development:
The one at the bottom is probably my gun.
If you're wondering what that chunky thing on the front end is, it's based on the bayonet lug of a Remington 870, which is chunky and built to reinforce the barrel. The barrel rib went because it was reminding me too much of a modern gun's Picatinny rails. I think any further detailing will probably make the gun too noisy.
Edit: Oh and I really like the stock from the wireframe underneath 3
Noors, I'm digging that chainsaw!
Elbagast, I like the 3rd one, the detail on the detailing on the tips of the others starts to look a little more sci-fi for some reason.
I wrapped up the materials, meshes the first two and I'll be working on the materials for the chipper this weekend. The chipper is fully rigged and ready to be dropped in game but I ran into some trouble getting some example files out of the .cgf's but I guess that's due to the number of files in an update...
The model looks great but i think that you need something to add on the model. It looks great but a little bit boring (No the part with the wood chip, thats nice) Add a button that turns green or red on firing and when out of ammo. And maybe put on a note for heavy that says that the wood chips are not food. Make it look more interesting and maybe funny.
Also, autokey beat me to my idea, but mine wouldn't have turned out very well, so it's better he did it - it looks good
@Elbagast: I'm loving the concept. Have you thought about widening the handle towards the butt end? I don't think the soldier's shotgun does that, but I feel like it may give it more of a TF2 cartoony feel. I could be wrong
@Jedah: That mad hatter looks spot on! If you are going for the original look though, I think you need to make the band a bit thicker. And possibly even turn up the sides of the brim:
@Vig: This set is amazing. I think you should put some sort of warning sticker on the wood chip door
Heh I hear it would be bad for your ass to get too close to a chipper... some of the crap I found when looking for ref prove it...=P
Yea I need to adjust the speed or reduce the number of teeth on the gears. At first I thought it was just the playback speed of the gif (its playing kind of fast in my browser) then I rendered out a AVI and it had the wagon wheel effect too. I wanted to try it out in game at 24fps instead of 30 (1 360 rotation per 30 frames for 90 frames) and see how it looks before I mess with the model. It's not like its all that hard to skin but it might be a easy fix in the QC file?
Ha ha ha, I like it. But I'll leave that up to valve if they decide to put it in. You should be able to drop multiple logs in there before you're out of ammo. I envision it being a bit like a BAR in Day of Defeat or CoD1-2, low amount of ammo per clip, fairly high accuracy and pretty high impact.
I like those ideas, I was planning on doing a machine data plate on the feeder but a warning"Chips are fuel not food" or something like that would be fun. Maybe a "splinter removal/first aid kit", maybe the latch is loose and the lid flaps up and down a bit.... humm...
Thanks, lets hope valve likes it.
Good idea it seems like a deadly area, at the very least a warning stripe probably.
I also had an idea for a Rudolph thing for the Scout... maybe I could do Jack Frost for the Spy?
which I guess is the normal wrench texture... so... the VMT looks like this.
"VertexlitGeneric" { "$baseTexture" "models\weapons\v_wrench\v_wrench_sheet" "$bumpmap" "models/effects/flat_normal" "$detail" "effects/tiledfire/fireLayeredSlowTiled512.vtf" "$detailscale" "5" "$detailblendfactor" .01 "$detailblendmode" 6 "$yellow" "0" "$phong" "1" "$phongexponent" "8" "$phongboost" "5" "$phongfresnelranges" "[.25 1 4]" "$basemapalphaphongmask" "1" "$envmap" "effects/goldcube" "$envmaptint" "[1.5 1.2 .2]" // Rim lighting parameters "$rimlight" "1" // To enable rim lighting (requires phong) "$rimlightexponent" "4" // Exponent for phong component of rim lighting "$rimlightboost" "2" // Boost for ambient cube component of rim lighting // Cloaking "$cloakPassEnabled" "1" "Proxies" { "weapon_invis" { } "AnimatedTexture" { "animatedtexturevar" "$detail" "animatedtextureframenumvar" "$detailframe" "animatedtextureframerate" 30 } "BurnLevel" { "resultVar" "$detailblendfactor" } "YellowLevel" { "resultVar" "$yellow" } "Equals" { "srcVar1" "$yellow" "resultVar" "$color2" } } }Is all the properties that make the golden wrench golden in that file or do I just extracted a wrong file?
I think it comes from the cubemap and the tint they put on it. It's a pretty smart way to handle creating a new material without creating more textures.
Just a minute ago I found and decompiled the VIEW model with its view bones.. they don't match at all. I have to do two versions, one for each set of bones.
On the bright side, the view model of the gunslinger and my replacement have almost the same polycount