Really? So I could have taken work I had done for ILM 3 years ago and submitted it to the Blizzard competition? That doesn't seem a little unfair to the other contestants?
Hey whats up, you have a good question, so I'll try to answer it the best I can.
When I first heard about the contest, I checked the rules to see if I could enter. I didn't see anything relating to my question, so I posted to my thread on CGTalk asking people if they thought I should enter. Everyone said something along the lines of "Yeah, I think you should definitely enter!" I didn't get one reply or email to the contrary. This was probably over the course of a week, so anyone that wanted to contact me had an opportunity to.
So then I thought, "Hey, nobody seems to have a problem with it, and I see a few other threads of people doing the same thing, so why not?" At that point, I emailed Blizzard to check with them if it was okay, since their rules seemed a bit vague.
They never answered my email. I felt I'd been about as straightforward as possible - I'd asked for opinions a week in advance, checked the rules, emailed the company.
At any rate, Blizzard knows I started it way before the contest, not that it was a secret anyway - My WIP thread is there for everyone to see. If that makes it ineligible, I really don't mind.
I figure someone could just as easily have a project they've worked on for awhile, never posted about online, and entered it with no one the wiser. At least in my case, I'm not lying about it.
I mainly saw the contest as an opportunity to try to get my work seen, so if my piece got listed with some others in a runner-up category, that would be pretty awesome.
If anyone is upset about me entering, then I apologize. I wish that person or persons had contacted me when I was asking for opinions on my thought to enter. Then I wouldn't have spent the time that last week setting up a render!
Let me know if that answers your question, or if there's anything else specifically you'd like to ask, please feel free.
Thanks
PS. Last thing! Just in case anyone's curious
I'm not living in my Mom's basement without a job, hammering away on this every day This is something I've been messing with on my spare time; I work overtime at my job every week. I don't want anyone thinking this represent 365 days of work! Not even close
Foreverendering, I appreciate your response. I didn't actaully enter the contest, but I just worry about the other contestants.
I'm really impressed though by your honesty and how throughly you checked.
To be honest the only way I even found your cgtalk posts was researching you because I was so impressed by your work. It is a truely impressive entry regardless of how long it took you to do it, that's why I feel especially bad for those who are competeing against you
Well either way, best of luck to you, and if it is eligible, it definately deserves to win, even over ZippZopps in my opinion. The ammount of history and character you jammed into him is absolutely amazing.
i have nothing against either of these guys, they are both amazing and did a better job than me. however, zippzopp also started before the contest. after i read the rules i almost took a model i had been working on before the contest and used it for the contest to, but decided against it because it was a stretch:) dont hate the player hate the game haha
haha, wonder if it's a coincedence that two of the best entries had head starts... But seriously after thinking about it I doubt Blizzard would mind, I'm sure the main thing they care about is getting art to promote themselves, not rules... Blizzard is a wickedly smart company after all. Who else can make a bigger fortune off of glorified paperdolls? *cough*WOW*cough*
And if either of them win, that's great, they deserve a reward for such great work reguardless of whether they had a head start over the competition or not.
I don't think there should be any issue with having started a model prior to the contest being announced, it is really just dumb luck. at this point i have a library of models on my hard drive that I usually pull from to do work. for example, if i want to model/sculpt a human head, i'm honestly not going to start the base mesh from scratch when I already have several base meshes sitting on my hard drive. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. this is the nature of CG.
Hey guys, I can see what ZippZopp means, I made the mistake of thinking that "original artwork" refered to original to this project, but when I reread the rules I can see how it could mean just all my own work is all doh, oh well, live and learn...
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So then, what you are saying is if I just happened to have trotted 3/4 the way around a track when a race started I should still be eligable to win?
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That's an awfully antagonistic attitude to have. There was nothing in the contest's fine print that mentioned prior work being ineligible, and it looks like the finished piece was pretty Blizzardy from the start. It's a beautiful piece and entering it in this contest gave it an opportunity to be seen by more people - why's it worth having such a chip on your shoulder?
First of all, thanks to those who replied to my work, it's always appreciated and constructive criticism is great. I agree, it's too busy and maybe there's a way to streamline it further.
As to the contest...
Try looking at it in another way: 2 artists could both start working on the same day, but one of them has way more free time than the other and as such is able to put in 5x the amount of hours in 2 months.
Would you argue whether it was fair that the two artworks be judged against eachother? When one guy was working 10 hours a week, and the other 50 hours a week? Obviously there's an advantage.
There are so many factors. If we wanted complete fairness, everyone would be running the same hardware. Some people probably have a piece of junk computer, while others have a badass workstation. And then there's experience, some are entering the competition as amateurs, some as professionals...
I think you see where I'm going with this. I understand what you're saying, I guess it just comes down to their criteria.
definately agree with you there foreverendering. there are so many factors that go into this. honestly, if they really wanted to keep it fair, why not invite everyone to blizzard and hold the competition there so they can oversee everyone to make sure it is completely fair.
don't get me wrong whazup, i see your point of view completely and we could go back and forth debating the little details as to what is fair and what isn't. unfortunately no rules were put in place about this sort of thing and foreverendering even tried to find out with no luck.
that's crazy....I went to school with the guy who did these two.
..His name was Joe Mancuso I think he was doing the Ostritch in our alias 2 class...hehe..that probly gives away my age..how many tpeople remember working with Alias/wavefront
well i'm in the second row, can't wait to see the 4 winners
can't believe that katze didn't get a call i thought it was pretty much the best wow environment piece i saw
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When I first heard about the contest, I checked the rules to see if I could enter. I didn't see anything relating to my question, so I posted to my thread on CGTalk asking people if they thought I should enter. Everyone said something along the lines of "Yeah, I think you should definitely enter!" I didn't get one reply or email to the contrary. This was probably over the course of a week, so anyone that wanted to contact me had an opportunity to.
So then I thought, "Hey, nobody seems to have a problem with it, and I see a few other threads of people doing the same thing, so why not?" At that point, I emailed Blizzard to check with them if it was okay, since their rules seemed a bit vague.
They never answered my email. I felt I'd been about as straightforward as possible - I'd asked for opinions a week in advance, checked the rules, emailed the company.
At any rate, Blizzard knows I started it way before the contest, not that it was a secret anyway - My WIP thread is there for everyone to see. If that makes it ineligible, I really don't mind.
I figure someone could just as easily have a project they've worked on for awhile, never posted about online, and entered it with no one the wiser. At least in my case, I'm not lying about it.
I mainly saw the contest as an opportunity to try to get my work seen, so if my piece got listed with some others in a runner-up category, that would be pretty awesome.
If anyone is upset about me entering, then I apologize. I wish that person or persons had contacted me when I was asking for opinions on my thought to enter. Then I wouldn't have spent the time that last week setting up a render!
Let me know if that answers your question, or if there's anything else specifically you'd like to ask, please feel free.
Thanks
PS. Last thing! Just in case anyone's curious
I'm not living in my Mom's basement without a job, hammering away on this every day
I'm really impressed though by your honesty and how throughly you checked.
To be honest the only way I even found your cgtalk posts was researching you because I was so impressed by your work. It is a truely impressive entry regardless of how long it took you to do it, that's why I feel especially bad for those who are competeing against you
Well either way, best of luck to you, and if it is eligible, it definately deserves to win, even over ZippZopps in my opinion. The ammount of history and character you jammed into him is absolutely amazing.
And if either of them win, that's great, they deserve a reward for such great work reguardless of whether they had a head start over the competition or not.
So then, what you are saying is if I just happened to have trotted 3/4 the way around a track when a race started I should still be eligable to win?
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That's an awfully antagonistic attitude to have. There was nothing in the contest's fine print that mentioned prior work being ineligible, and it looks like the finished piece was pretty Blizzardy from the start. It's a beautiful piece and entering it in this contest gave it an opportunity to be seen by more people - why's it worth having such a chip on your shoulder?
As to the contest...
Try looking at it in another way: 2 artists could both start working on the same day, but one of them has way more free time than the other and as such is able to put in 5x the amount of hours in 2 months.
Would you argue whether it was fair that the two artworks be judged against eachother? When one guy was working 10 hours a week, and the other 50 hours a week? Obviously there's an advantage.
There are so many factors. If we wanted complete fairness, everyone would be running the same hardware. Some people probably have a piece of junk computer, while others have a badass workstation. And then there's experience, some are entering the competition as amateurs, some as professionals...
I think you see where I'm going with this. I understand what you're saying, I guess it just comes down to their criteria.
don't get me wrong whazup, i see your point of view completely and we could go back and forth debating the little details as to what is fair and what isn't. unfortunately no rules were put in place about this sort of thing and foreverendering even tried to find out with no luck.
I'm sorry if I offened anyone, I just like to root for the little guy. Good luck to you all.
They've got until the end of next month. They're probably still filtering out all the Poser models with stretched ears at this stage.
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LOL!
-caseyjones
has anyone heard any news about the entries yet ?? any underground sources leaking info ?!?!
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has anyone heard any news about the entries yet ?? any underground sources leaking info ?!?!
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yeah actually i have a friend at blizzard and he send me the winning entries already
WOW grand prize:
diablo grand prize:
star craft grand prize:
cinematics grand prize:
diablo's alternate ending
wait...why haven't I been contacted yet? ...you...you're lying aren't you arsh?!
dude Arsh, where did you get those!! That is pure comedy.
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the GALLERIE ABOMINATE!!!
http://www.jackals-forge.com/abom.html
I love the Gallerie Abominate, now that is some good reading
-caseyjones
pop
hope you like it !
more of it here :
cgtalk thread
..His name was Joe Mancuso I think he was doing the Ostritch in our alias 2 class...hehe..that probly gives away my age..how many tpeople remember working with Alias/wavefront
its a tractor for goblins, runs on pure raptor power. i knocked it out the majority of it the weekend it was due.
congratz
didn't believed I would get one though...
congrats Neox
@Ghoust_rider: did you get a win mail? or are you just joking
can't believe that katze didn't get a call i thought it was pretty much the best wow environment piece i saw
(In other news: Crossing fingers that the SC entries were the first group to be judged)
my only problem is, that over at cgtalk someone won the diablo env prize
I dont think the winning entries will be shown untill oct 31st.