I think I'm pretty much gave up on finishing this model . I've been frustrated with Zbrush materials on its inability to give me decent feedback on depth and form on my sculpts :poly127:. I've had to resort to sculpting some of the objects in Mudbox since I can see the model there better and give me better feedback on my sculpts. Basically I had to go back and forth between Zbrush and Mudbox to get things and it's become cumbersome. I tried to create a decent material in Zbrush where I can move lights around where I can get different looks with different lighting scenarios but it still did not give me the feedback that I wanted similar to Mudbox's materials.
I've bascially wasted my time for days trying to mimic Mudbox's materials in Zbrush where I can have the ability to move lights around and it just ended up looking a matcap which I did not want. Ah well maybe I should just do most of my sculpts in Mudbox but then I miss the ability to create meshes easily within the application and the ability to iterate faster on models. Maybe I should just bite the bullet and suck it up and be a man about it . After all it's only materials right :poly142:? Here is my last update on my model:
Inhert, you definitely have to check BadKing's site man. He has loads of awesome matcap for free. I also love googling for zbrush matcap. Now I have a few that I absolutely love!!
Inhert, you definitely have to check BadKing's site man. He has loads of awesome matcap for free. I also love googling for zbrush matcap. Now I have a few that I absolutely love!!
Hey there PyrZern thanks for the links. I pretty much have most of those matcaps in my Zbrush material library. I was looking more of a basic material where I can move the light around and not a matcap one where the lighting is already baked in.
I think I am going to try and sculpt stuff in Mudbox for the next challenge all the way towards the end and see if it'll suit me. I think workflow wise I'll be slower since I have to generate meshes on another 3D app. I did actually start this month's challenge in Mudbox with a base mesh of course but then I proceeded to change to Zbrush since I was able to make changes faster there with proportions and making new meshes. Working in Mudbox just became slow since I had to do polygonal modeling to create the meshes which may or may not be efficient when you are trying to get things done.
I don't know I'll give Mudbox another try. I think one well known Mudbox user by the name oglu pretty much sums up what Mudbox and Zbrush are used for mainly and I'll quote what he said on the CGTalk forums:
"that depends a lot on your workflow and what are your needs...
if you have to do a lot of design, hard surface and game stuff sculpting go with zbrush..
if you have to work in a film pipeline and do mostly detail sculpting go with mudbox..."
Started this month's model ridiiiiiiiculously late, but after a spending a few days getting the basis of the sculpt down i'm feeling relatively confident that i'll be able to finish okay :poly122:
Plan is that i'm going to smash out the retop - and possibly the majority of the unwrap - tomorrow, going back into ZBrush afterwards to refine/polish/detail any areas that need it on the sculpt (most of it).. going to be a busy, sleepless few days!!! :poly142:
Anyway so here's my WIP, crit away!
@inhert this is looking nice, looking forward to seeing some textures on it! I'd recommend defining the hair at the back in larger clumps, like you have on the fringe, to give the form a bit more depth
@darkmag07 the sword is looking cool, you've got the silhouette down, but if i were you i'd keep at it instead of starting again! Typically, when sculpting hard surface, I tend to find the basic form with the Trim Dynamic brush, then work into them with the HPolish brush on a low Z Intensity. Took me a while to get the hang of it but you'll get there! Dynamesh Polish can also be ace for quick results!
@stevston89 this looks really clean man, good stuff! Love the wear and tear you've got going on on the edges of the tabard-thing on the waist; i'd like to see some more of that of the sash and boots
@Inhert Hmm, if you want the ability to move light source around, then it has to be Material, and not MatCap. I can't speak for Mudbox, since I tried it before but didn't like it much.
@tomwatson Gorgeous hair !! Love the liberty you took with her chest xD I feel she's pretty beefed up in your take(waist, thighs, etc). She has 4 fingers, from what we can tell. And I think you went overboard with the skirt's wrinkles and folds. Compared to the rest, she has very thin wrists, though.
@ PyrZern: Yeah I meant the Standard Materials where you can move around the light source and not the Matcap Materials. May I ask what you didn't like about Mudbox?
@ tomwatson: Yeah I'm with PyrZern on the hair it looks fantastic! The way you did the cloth on the pelvic region is looking good. Although I think you need some work on the forearms a bit. I don't know if you are following the concept or not on the forearms but she has beefier forearms and yours are smaller below the elbow and bicep areas.
@Terminator2: @TAN: Need to learn about the smoothing when sub dividing in zbrush. You can keep your hard angles with crease, or turn off smoothing for the first couple divides.
I completely agree with you good sir. I really need to learn that. I get a lot of feedback from people here when I started to sculpt the head. Thanks for the advise
@TAN: The grip where the handle/pommel meets the blade is looking really fragile.
That is intentional. I really believe that the artist made that on purpose. Here let me show you guys so we can argue on that:
I have just copy/pasted the green lines on photoshop without touching anything. It is clear to me that the handle is thinner than the body itself, and I don't think that is because of the perspective.
I honestly didn't think much about the sword grip/handle. But as pointed out on 1st page by tristanCarter, the grip is indeed not as wide as the rest of the handle.
Personally, I also think it's a bit of a perspective. She points the blade to her left away from her body, and so the end of the sword's handle is more behind her back than off to the side, thus closer to the camera. I dunno
Inhert
At first I liked Mudbox, because it felt similar to Maya in terms of basic navigating around. But when I tried to more complex stuff I got totally lost :P When I looked up online to learn more, ZBrush was much more all over the place and after watching a few vids and know the price difference between the two, I was like 'that's it, I'm gonna get good at ZBrush'. I don 't really move light source around though, so I don 't use materials... I pick good matcaps where I can see everything without too dark shadows. After sculpting for awhile, I'd switch matcap to force me to pay attention to details and not get tunnel vision.
Quick Question; anyone know of a toon cel-shader matcap that's better than what I'm using ?
@inhert@PyrZern cheers guys! The forearms are a bit beefier now, also removed one of the fingers so there's only three! Haha yeah, I got a bit carried away while I was sculpting the cloth around the waist :P
@TAN Hmm yeah the grip does look slight thinner than the rest of the handle, maybe you could sculpt some cloth around the grip or something to make it appear a bit thicker in parts
@inhert@PyrZern cheers guys! The forearms are a bit beefier now, also removed one of the fingers so there's only three! Haha yeah, I got a bit carried away while I was sculpting the cloth around the waist :P
@TAN Hmm yeah the grip does look slight thinner than the rest of the handle, maybe you could sculpt some cloth around the grip or something to make it appear a bit thicker in parts
Hi Tom,
The forearms have a good thickness now, but if you look at the concept, or even your own arms, you will find that the muscles angle the opposite way. The top of the forearm should be closer to the elbow joint. Otherwise looking good.
Come on people don't give up ! We are nearly there !
I finished detailing her ( for normal map baking). Any kind of feedback is gratefully appreciated but please note that at this moment I can not turn back. I'll start her polypaint tonight and I should be finished tomorrow. I simply have to.
@ TAN: The sword handle is too long. Shorten it just a bit. There's one part of the hair at the back where there is a sharp point and the rest is squared looking on the tip ends of the hair which I thought was off. Her feet are not firmly planted on the ground which looks like she could break her ankle inward. Her abdomen looks flat from the side view, silhouette wise her stomach looks like its flat and there should some curves to those lines at least. The hair could use some more loving but overall it looks pretty good.
@tomwatson Not sure if her upper arms are a little short or not. I might slim down her torso a bit more. And sculpt in her ab muscle / rib cage details. If you have time, her hair could use a bit more refinement. Glad you join us !! She looks adorable.
@TAN, I'd use Transpose Master and move/rotate her fingers into more relaxed pose. Same with her feet, rotate them so she's actually standing on her feet. From what I can see, sharper wrinkles/folds turn out better after baking. Use DAM_Standard with low Z Intensity will help.
@Nika, I think the bake looks pretty good. Is that only Normal ? or Ambient as well ? Let's see some colors ^^
Small Update. Didn't get to work too much the past couple of days. That said I am pretty much done with her. I still have to make the subdermis map and finish the hair textures. Gonna wrap those up tomorrow and move on to the sword low poly. Pretty tired right now so I am going to hold off on giving crits. Keep it up everyone almost there!
tomwatson: She looks like she has dwarfism. Head's also feels a tad too small, but you might be able to fix that by just pulling some hair back. Nice sculpt, otherwise!
stevston89: Very nice texturing! Colors are wonderful! Don't care too much for the fluff on her ankles, though.
This is probably where I'm going to call the model done. Deadline is too close to do much more. Thanks everyone for your help and hopefully next month's character will come out a lot better!
thanks for the feedback!
so, Im pretty much done with the HP, still a few things that Im going to work on (mainly hands and fur) but I feel like starting my LP (hopefully I'll be able to get it done in time). so any last crit before I do?
More or less finished up the texture map. Gotta work on a Specular though (thus the Shadeless setting). And then repeat everything for the sword. And make a simple rig so I can pose it.
Ok so finally done with her currently working on the sword. I added some hair stands and finished off the hair. I still have a few bit I might revist after I finish the sword. Also got the low-poly and bake done on the sword. Here are some screens.
Everyone's updates are looking really good so far! I'll come back for critiques later or tomorrow at work. I have to madly create the low poly, unwrap, and start texturing in order to finish on time! For now, calling this my final sculpt (may touch up some things if I have time). **Edit. I still have to add the shoe laces xO
I am really happy to see people still going at it. Just like Jim Raynor said:
" It isn't over until it really is you son of a b..h ! " BAM !
So I finished poly painting. I will begin making the low poly and baking within the hour. I will most probably be able to present a low poly in-game model with textures that night at most.
Tomorrow will go with rigging the model and giving two simple animations as well as materila setup within Cryengine.
Without further ado:
By the way I am also planing on writing a post-mortem, something about what I did wrong on the model for other people to read.
Hi guys!
Been super busy, so rushed through retopo, uvs and baking-
It really shows in the result, didnt get a good representation of the highpoly.
But I simply refuse to miss a deadline! Even though I had to skip the weapon, this time around.
So, this is the texture base so far.
It is midnight, and I am still at the office, so I will go home now, and give feedback to you guys tomorrow!
Feel free to stick to this as long as you want. I'm sure comments and feedback will keep coming. I have to start a thread for February now. It's gonna be hard to finish the Medieval dude in 30 days.
Good work! I think you really got everything together
There is a stripe on her left arm's lateral side. Is that on purpose?
Nika
Great work! I think you could benefit from moving some verts on the thighs in their positive normal, as she looks a little anorectic from side view
I tihnk you should pose her!
PyrZern
Haha thanks, it just bothers me I cant finish this in time
Haha thanks, it just bothers me I cant finish this in time
I don't think I'll finish on time either. My day job is taking away from my crunch time dammit! Haha. I'll get the most done as I can. I'm working on this basically on a graveyard shift, so I'll post how far I get 1/31 - 2/1 early, early morning. I'm having a hard time competing with everyone's progress!
TAN -- the polypainting looks really good! Excited to see the low poly and textures!
Spoon -- it is coming along really nicely! I would try to add more hue and saturation shifts in the texture though
stevston89 -- I think you have one of the best material definition so far. Looks really nice, especially the leather!
Good work Nika! It looks like you could use some more definition in the leather flaps and boots.
So, I'm not going to finish this in time. I'll probably tool around on it a bit within the next month since I know I won't have the time to enter the next challenge. This is just the basic AO.Cavity bakes with no normals. Although I did use the bent normal green channel and the PrtP to fake some lighting into the bake as well. There are some errors and seam issues I need to fix but we'll just have to wait and see how much time I can realistically throw at this.
Tan - I think you've nailed out quite a bit in the short time you've been working on it. The biggest critique I have is that much of the mesh looks flat and pinched. I think you need to work on overall volume while in the low res blockouts. Give your edges some thickness.
Rafferty - I think the creative freedoms you took with the hair are awesome. It's cool to see what some creative license can do.
Thanks, and I agree! I just dont know where to put it :P
Seems like most variation is in the lighting, and being both female and cartoony, I have trouble finding the correct variations to make.
Do you have any suggestions?
Hey guys!
I see many works here have been completed and looking very cool!
Texture for my model is finally finished and i can show it to you. Btw, texture was made by my girlfriend.
Well, it's 11:39pm on the 31st here so I guess I better post what I got.
I spent a few hours tonight rigging her but the skin was just too much fiddling around. Maybe I'll do it at a later date.
Thanks for keeping me going for the last month everyone.
Super extra kudos to everyone who managed to finish.
This was ace fun!
and DONE! Here is a beauty shot and a couple of breakdowns. Not really happy with the sword, but I didn't have the time to really sort it out. Hope you all like it. Great work everyone!
and DONE! Here is a beauty shot and a couple of breakdowns. Not really happy with the sword, but I didn't have the time to really sort it out. Hope you all like it. Great work everyone!
Awesome, but why is the metal ball thingy missing from the main render? :P
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I've bascially wasted my time for days trying to mimic Mudbox's materials in Zbrush where I can have the ability to move lights around and it just ended up looking a matcap which I did not want. Ah well maybe I should just do most of my sculpts in Mudbox but then I miss the ability to create meshes easily within the application and the ability to iterate faster on models. Maybe I should just bite the bullet and suck it up and be a man about it
http://www.badking.com.au/site/product-category/materials/
This also
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?171080-Professional-ZBrush-Display-MatCaps-for-download
And this here :P lots of good stuff.
http://luckilytip.blogspot.com/search/label/Matcap?&max-results=10
Especially this one, just like Mudbox Material
http://luckilytip.blogspot.com/2012/05/zbrush-custom-matcap-6.html#.Uub_kxDTlhE
Hey there PyrZern thanks for the links. I pretty much have most of those matcaps in my Zbrush material library. I was looking more of a basic material where I can move the light around and not a matcap one where the lighting is already baked in.
I think I am going to try and sculpt stuff in Mudbox for the next challenge all the way towards the end and see if it'll suit me. I think workflow wise I'll be slower since I have to generate meshes on another 3D app. I did actually start this month's challenge in Mudbox with a base mesh of course but then I proceeded to change to Zbrush since I was able to make changes faster there with proportions and making new meshes. Working in Mudbox just became slow since I had to do polygonal modeling to create the meshes which may or may not be efficient when you are trying to get things done.
I don't know I'll give Mudbox another try. I think one well known Mudbox user by the name oglu pretty much sums up what Mudbox and Zbrush are used for mainly and I'll quote what he said on the CGTalk forums:
"that depends a lot on your workflow and what are your needs...
if you have to do a lot of design, hard surface and game stuff sculpting go with zbrush..
if you have to work in a film pipeline and do mostly detail sculpting go with mudbox..."
Started this month's model ridiiiiiiiculously late, but after a spending a few days getting the basis of the sculpt down i'm feeling relatively confident that i'll be able to finish okay :poly122:
Plan is that i'm going to smash out the retop - and possibly the majority of the unwrap - tomorrow, going back into ZBrush afterwards to refine/polish/detail any areas that need it on the sculpt (most of it).. going to be a busy, sleepless few days!!! :poly142:
Anyway so here's my WIP, crit away!
@inhert this is looking nice, looking forward to seeing some textures on it! I'd recommend defining the hair at the back in larger clumps, like you have on the fringe, to give the form a bit more depth
@darkmag07 the sword is looking cool, you've got the silhouette down, but if i were you i'd keep at it instead of starting again! Typically, when sculpting hard surface, I tend to find the basic form with the Trim Dynamic brush, then work into them with the HPolish brush on a low Z Intensity. Took me a while to get the hang of it but you'll get there! Dynamesh Polish can also be ace for quick results!
@AllyAlbon the sword is looking awesome!
@stevston89 this looks really clean man, good stuff! Love the wear and tear you've got going on on the edges of the tabard-thing on the waist; i'd like to see some more of that of the sash and boots
@tomwatson Gorgeous hair !! Love the liberty you took with her chest xD I feel she's pretty beefed up in your take(waist, thighs, etc). She has 4 fingers, from what we can tell. And I think you went overboard with the skirt's wrinkles and folds. Compared to the rest, she has very thin wrists, though.
@ tomwatson: Yeah I'm with PyrZern on the hair it looks fantastic! The way you did the cloth on the pelvic region is looking good. Although I think you need some work on the forearms a bit. I don't know if you are following the concept or not on the forearms but she has beefier forearms and yours are smaller below the elbow and bicep areas.
I completely agree with you good sir. I really need to learn that. I get a lot of feedback from people here when I started to sculpt the head. Thanks for the advise
But
That is intentional. I really believe that the artist made that on purpose. Here let me show you guys so we can argue on that:
I have just copy/pasted the green lines on photoshop without touching anything. It is clear to me that the handle is thinner than the body itself, and I don't think that is because of the perspective.
So what do you people think ?
Personally, I also think it's a bit of a perspective. She points the blade to her left away from her body, and so the end of the sword's handle is more behind her back than off to the side, thus closer to the camera. I dunno
Inhert
At first I liked Mudbox, because it felt similar to Maya in terms of basic navigating around. But when I tried to more complex stuff I got totally lost :P When I looked up online to learn more, ZBrush was much more all over the place and after watching a few vids and know the price difference between the two, I was like 'that's it, I'm gonna get good at ZBrush'. I don 't really move light source around though, so I don 't use materials... I pick good matcaps where I can see everything without too dark shadows. After sculpting for awhile, I'd switch matcap to force me to pay attention to details and not get tunnel vision.
Quick Question; anyone know of a toon cel-shader matcap that's better than what I'm using ?
@TAN Hmm yeah the grip does look slight thinner than the rest of the handle, maybe you could sculpt some cloth around the grip or something to make it appear a bit thicker in parts
Hi Tom,
The forearms have a good thickness now, but if you look at the concept, or even your own arms, you will find that the muscles angle the opposite way. The top of the forearm should be closer to the elbow joint. Otherwise looking good.
I finished detailing her ( for normal map baking). Any kind of feedback is gratefully appreciated but please note that at this moment I can not turn back. I'll start her polypaint tonight and I should be finished tomorrow. I simply have to.
So here are tons of screens:
here's my wireframe and bake. I don't think I'll have time to make the sword...
@TAN, I'd use Transpose Master and move/rotate her fingers into more relaxed pose. Same with her feet, rotate them so she's actually standing on her feet. From what I can see, sharper wrinkles/folds turn out better after baking. Use DAM_Standard with low Z Intensity will help.
@Nika, I think the bake looks pretty good. Is that only Normal ? or Ambient as well ? Let's see some colors ^^
Oh well, I'll join the next! Great work all, fun to watch.
stevston89: Very nice texturing! Colors are wonderful! Don't care too much for the fluff on her ankles, though.
This is probably where I'm going to call the model done. Deadline is too close to do much more. Thanks everyone for your help and hopefully next month's character will come out a lot better!
so, Im pretty much done with the HP, still a few things that Im going to work on (mainly hands and fur) but I feel like starting my LP (hopefully I'll be able to get it done in time). so any last crit before I do?
She looks great though !!
Calling this done now. Learn a lot lot of new things, so thanks everyone
@PyrZern: I think you should do a little more for the texture on those armbands.
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More or less finished up the texture map. Gotta work on a Specular though (thus the Shadeless setting). And then repeat everything for the sword. And make a simple rig so I can pose it.
Unfortunately I can't with mine <_<" Because the piece is already, in my mind, finished
" It isn't over until it really is you son of a b..h ! " BAM !
So I finished poly painting. I will begin making the low poly and baking within the hour. I will most probably be able to present a low poly in-game model with textures that night at most.
Tomorrow will go with rigging the model and giving two simple animations as well as materila setup within Cryengine.
Without further ado:
By the way I am also planing on writing a post-mortem, something about what I did wrong on the model for other people to read.
Been super busy, so rushed through retopo, uvs and baking-
It really shows in the result, didnt get a good representation of the highpoly.
But I simply refuse to miss a deadline! Even though I had to skip the weapon, this time around.
So, this is the texture base so far.
It is midnight, and I am still at the office, so I will go home now, and give feedback to you guys tomorrow!
UPDATE: Thank you !!!
@TAN, Can't wait to see the lowpoly.
@Spoon, glad you're back
So I'm done...
Join February then
It's here. http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130709
Good work! I think you really got everything together
There is a stripe on her left arm's lateral side. Is that on purpose?
Nika
Great work! I think you could benefit from moving some verts on the thighs in their positive normal, as she looks a little anorectic from side view
I tihnk you should pose her!
PyrZern
Haha thanks, it just bothers me I cant finish this in time
TAN
Aweomse, looking forward to the animations
I don't think I'll finish on time either.
TAN -- the polypainting looks really good! Excited to see the low poly and textures!
Spoon -- it is coming along really nicely! I would try to add more hue and saturation shifts in the texture though
stevston89 -- I think you have one of the best material definition so far. Looks really nice, especially the leather!
Good work Nika! It looks like you could use some more definition in the leather flaps and boots.
You and me both T_T
Tan - I think you've nailed out quite a bit in the short time you've been working on it. The biggest critique I have is that much of the mesh looks flat and pinched. I think you need to work on overall volume while in the low res blockouts. Give your edges some thickness.
Rafferty - I think the creative freedoms you took with the hair are awesome. It's cool to see what some creative license can do.
Thanks, and I agree! I just dont know where to put it :P
Seems like most variation is in the lighting, and being both female and cartoony, I have trouble finding the correct variations to make.
Do you have any suggestions?
I see many works here have been completed and looking very cool!
Texture for my model is finally finished and i can show it to you. Btw, texture was made by my girlfriend.
@ FRIM: Best girlfriend ever. I am jealous.
Note: I am also sleepy...
I spent a few hours tonight rigging her but the skin was just too much fiddling around. Maybe I'll do it at a later date.
Thanks for keeping me going for the last month everyone.
Super extra kudos to everyone who managed to finish.
This was ace fun!
24450 triss
Texture 2048x2048
Render in marmoset
Sorry people.. COuldn't finish.
It is about 10 PM here and I could only baked the head. There " ENOURMOUS" flaws in my baking process. I am completely useless there. I am ashamed.
All I can give you is these.
Guess I will finish these tomorrow and then release them on a separate tread as well as here.
I will start February Challenge Monday Night.
Everyone; Great Work people. I am proud to be a productive and creative community such as this.
Good night everybody... I am completely spent....
Awesome, but why is the metal ball thingy missing from the main render? :P