DROPS
Drops are often tailored to the class you are playing
Less overall drops
Legendary drops (including plans) drop at a much higher rate
All legendary items can roll at all levels
Drops are often tailored to the class you are playing
First-time diablo kill on each difficulty will drop a guaranteed legendary
SKILLS
Certain skills have had their cooldowns changed
Certain buffs are now permanent and don't have to be recast
No cooldown on skills when swapped
GAMEPLAY
Paragon levels are account wide
There is no auction house
Nephalem glory globes added
Dodge feature added
Fixed camera angle (slightly lower)
Nephalem valor stacks to 3 (instead of 5)
Elite mobs in inferno have 3 affixes (instead of 4)
Can play offline
Easy, medium and hard mode added (provide no bonuses)
Rare items don't need to be identified
Ranged skills auto-target
Demon hunters cannot use melee weapons
Choice of resurrection
Automatic resurrection in multiplayer
Quick equip menu for gear
Cannot dye legendary gear
Quest rewards often include gear
Vendors sell better gear
Grotesque monsters don't always explode
Certain boss battles are slightly different
Crafting gems and gear have different costs
Potions/gems/tomes/pages stack over 100
Potions automatically picked up when walked over
One potion which heals in percentage (instead of set amounts)
Bodies in the environment are looted by running over them
Items can be marked as junk and sold all at once
Much more stash space when fully upgraded
Stash and inventory sorted by gear slots
Staff of herding requires less items (Black Mushroom, Wirts Bell, Gibbering Gemstone, Plan: Staff of Herding)
MYTH (not real)
No cap to movement speed
Waiting on Verification
Do potions/gems/tomes stack over 999?
Paragon level cap?
Just played through the first act with 2 friends, coop, on the couch. I gotta say, it was awesome... Best experience with D3 yet! So much fun. In the first act, we found 3 legendaries. All three were fantastic upgrades to whatever the person was using before. Not even a hesitation in using it. instant equip. I am massively impressed with console version! wooo
Finally picked it up and started playing last night. This game is so much better than the PC version. (:() At 21 I have found a great legendary helm, decent gloves, and an amazing 1h sword (big green thing). The game just feels "right" now, it casually rewards you here and there with legendaries (I've gotten all of mine off the path of the main quest, in side dungeons), make you feel cool and powerful. I still get lots of crap, but also get a fair amount of good shit to make up for it. I had to do most of act 1 without chest armor, because none dropped, all i got were bows. Guess i could have bought some from a vendor.
Have had some connectivity issues to my router, so i was just playing offline (!). Hopefully can get that sorted out, my gamertag is mooselot, would love to do some MP!
my favorite changes by far are the camera interpolation on teleport moves (has been a pet peeve of mine since the game launched), and the increased monster density all around. So much more fun.
Ah yeah, the increased monster density is a HUGE change for me. I loved playing in Act 1 and just finding a huge pack of zombies. Way better than how it was for PC release.
I specifically remember saying "Where are all the enemies" on the first day I played on PC.
yeah, the game feels like MP(n) Inferno everywhere with the increased density, without the challenge of Inferno! Fields of misery on inferno is amazing, and its great that it feels like the whole game is like that on console. Can't wait to try master V on inferno, ommg!
other things i love:
- resurrect at corpse. Seems noob-ish, but love it.
- flag items as junk, auto sell junk at vendor. (SO GOOD)
- quick-look item compare on pickup
- single potion types that scale? fuck yeah.
- 1,2,3 up/down arrows showing quality of improvement at a glance
- auto-loot bodies on ground
- DODGE - the Butcher was so much more fun with a dodge, and those bees in act 2? Feels like cheating its so good.
- nephalim orbs. wtf they're awesome, going to be wrecking shop with these at 60!
not loving (omg nitpick)
- can't skip dialog bits in game. UGHHHH
- Radial menus are neat, but don't give you a big picture of your inventory. the #/60 at the bottom kind of kills all sense of passage of time, by not getting to see your inventory stack up.
- achievements/challenges don't auto sort by completion time/date.
- camera angle makes it harder to see yourself in areas. Outline shader is nice, but is mostly a complaint of being too used to pc.
Was speaking of the ones that don't have a UI, that just have the chat bubble over a character's head for mid-game dialog stuffs.
For example: When you meet the Scoundrel at the farm, you can skip all that annoying chit-chat and get him to open the door quickly by hitting space on the PC. If you hit the back button at that time on console, it opens your inventory.
ah yea, I'm not aware of any way to bypass that stuff. I know some of them just auto-complete if you run past them far enough, but not sure about the Scoundrel's dialogue - I never found a way to get past it
I think I will be happy with D3 when console gets the expansion. Currently all the changes on console are super awesome, but the extremely linear story kills me every time. Can't wait for the loot/endless dungeons and Nephalem Trials!
Good way to play w/o having to play the story 1000000000x over.
Ah, my friends scoffed at me for remaining optimistic that the game would be fixed by an expansion eventually, and while it remains to be seen how big of an improvement we will see, the news just keeps getting better and better.
I never hated Diablo 3 - I just lost interest. Now, though, from what people are saying about the console version, and the new features coming with Reaper of Souls, I'm getting super excited again.
Wow! Big move Blizzard! I'm glad they're doing it! The AH really... affeted the way I played D3. It was pretty disheartening that even the most epic loot I found could be replaced for something cheap of ah. My game sort of transitioned from wanting to find awesome loot to grinding for gold to buy said loot of ah instead. Anyway, hopefully Reaper of Souls fixes all the issues people have been having with Diablo.
Another thing I'd like them to adress is the itemization in general. All you're looking for in a weapon right now is pretty much the damage output. I'd like to see fun items as well! I want D2-crazy items
I didn't completely hate the auction house, it was nice because it let you try weird builds quickly. Like boosting your pickup range to buff uncommonly used skills. But it became the sole provider of items and upgrading gear. I'll probably try it again right before the expansion comes out.
I still think there could be some sort of middle ground between relying on the auction house and getting rid of it. Maybe they should have a drop in the game that lets you use the auction house for 1 item, that way if you find amazing gear for a different character you don't have to try to sell it, but it would also limits the quantity and frequency of people using the auction house.
Wow! Big move Blizzard! I'm glad they're doing it! The AH really... affeted the way I played D3. It was pretty disheartening that even the most epic loot I found could be replaced for something cheap of ah. My game sort of transitioned from wanting to find awesome loot to grinding for gold to buy said loot of ah instead. Anyway, hopefully Reaper of Souls fixes all the issues people have been having with Diablo.
Another thing I'd like them to adress is the itemization in general. All you're looking for in a weapon right now is pretty much the damage output. I'd like to see fun items as well! I want D2-crazy items
Erm, have you seen anything on Loot 2.0? They are already spending a LOT of time fixing it all. from scratch.
Yep, I saw it. I hope they adress some of the issues I have with them : > To me it's not really about the drop rate (though, I think increasing the rare drops is a step in the right direction) but rather making items fun for players. Like give me a bunch of crazy effect gems (not +10-15 dmg, more like spawn lava bombs or 10% chance to reanimate corpses around you) and a sword with 6 slots in it. More crazy, less lame.
If its anything like the console version, hopefully further improved and better, it'll kick ass. I found a necklace that had a 25% chance to spawn 4 arcane orbs that detonate. I didn't read the full attribute list to start, and was like "wtf whoa what are these purple orbs!!?" Rares are still fun when they drop too, they arent as frequent - i love that blues drop a majority of the time, then some yellows drop, and everyonce in a while (not ultra rarely once in a while) you hear the PHHHSPING! sound and there is a sweet item. My follower now has the awesome necklace of purple balls, and a hammer that shoots arced lightning every so often. fucking rad.
with the leveling of items in the expansion, plus removing the AH, can assume that its going to feel significantly different and better.
Also, from this announcement, do we predict the expansion is before or after March 2014?
I was fairly shocked when I first heard of the news of the removal. Overall, I am extremely happy with the decision. The auction house was too efficient compared to actually playing the game.
The next big thing I am hoping for is for the game to become a bit more social. I'd like the game to actually promote genuine interaction with other players outside of staring at a chat window majority of time.
i really dislike the fact that they're bundling so many of these features into an expansion patch. particularly the new loot which was supposed to be in game a year ago!
then again, i've always been of the opinion that small incremental changes are always better than huge sweeping patches.
Gir, all the loot and game system changes, and game modes... all of that will be a free patch. Only the story and new artisan and shit will be exclusive to the expansion. But loo 2.0 and paragon 2.0. They`ve already said that sort of stuff will be a patch, most likely right before the expansion releases.
Also, usually i agree. more constant updates are usually better. But in this case, they`re adding so much that it all needs to be implimented and balanced together if they want to make it work properly this time. Remember, this is their second chance. they dont want to blow it again
I know I'll get it as I jump back on D3 once and a while. Hopefully this direction breathes some life into this game. Sadly it will never be D2, which is a shame.
i really dislike the fact that they're bundling so many of these features into an expansion patch. particularly the new loot which was supposed to be in game a year ago!
then again, i've always been of the opinion that small incremental changes are always better than huge sweeping patches.
These features will be available to everyone, the only thing you need the expansion for is the new class, extra levels, and new zone.
If anyone wanna try something like Diablo2 (better), try Path of Exile on Steam, it's free and offers more gameplay hours . The skill system is awesome.
I'm not to sure if I'll pick this up. On one hand, you've got an awesome looking expansion, on the other, D3 has been dead to me since a week after launch considering how bad some of the problems were.
Path of Exile is everything D3 should have been, and more. If you like this kind of game and haven't tried it yet, I strongly suggest that you give it a shot.
On an unrelated note, do a lot of people still play Starcraft 2? I was a huge fan of Starcraft 1 as I played it nonstop for like 10 hours a day every day as a child, but I gave it up since it became too addicting. I passed up SC2 since I didn't want to get addicted to it but I was thinking of picking it up the other day.
Path of exile is crap. It just feels super slow to me.
the changes coming to this game are astounding. all the classes are getting buffs and new skills that look siiick. the adventure mode.. ugh. soooo pumped for that.
all the new loot looks like everything it should have been int he first place. Im just over all EXCITED
Path of exile is crap. It just feels super slow to me.
This is why it's said that "for tastes: colors". At the beginning all these games are slow, you don't have decent gear, and you don't know the game mechanics. But once you are customed, it's a great game.
Anyway, those that think Path of exile is "crap", should play it more time and not just a "see and close". Too many people said the same about Dungeon siege 2 (the game that introduced goblins with treasures ).
BTW, i don't like what they are doing constantly with Diablo 3, they are breaking/changing the whole game constantly, forcing players to start all over again and forcing them to play more a more to get their gear. There are sick people playing all the days, leveling 10 characters to paragon lvl 100.
Before the 1.07 patch i had a gear with a great amount of DPS. With 1.08 they nerfed all more... and my DPS and my gear are now a shit. And the worse, is that with this new patch, i will need to play hundreds of hours to get a proper equipment for my characters, AGAIN, because my actual DPS will be nerfed a ~50% or more. And i'm sure they will repeat the process not 3 times.. but more.
I'm fed up of legacy items... the unique items are very very hard to get.
Path of Exile is what D3 should have been. Saying it's crap really says something for D3 then.
What level did you get to before deciding the game was crap?
POE is just a deeper game, more builds, better LOOT and generally a better game imho.
D3 was just a let down after loving D2, hopefully this expansion fixes this with the new loot system and the removal of the auction house.
PoE sucked balls because...
Camera is too close in
Art style is as generic as you can get
Combat is boring, no satisfaction from killing anything
The talent tree is flexible but so piss poorly designed, it could easily have been streamlined in to something less cumbersome, but they made it a main selling point.
Skills are loot drops and rewards.
I tried it twice, first time I gave up half way through Act 1, second time half way through Act 2.
So I just got done reading all of the info. that was released about Reaper of Souls considering I haven't really been following it and I am quite impressed at how much D3 is getting fixed. I would have expected Blizzard to just take the money and ditch the sinking ship that was D3 but they have actually gone and fixed the game in many ways and they're also expanding on it.
I won't stop playing Path of Exile but I'll surely buy this expansion on launch date and I'll probably go ahead and buy some other Blizzard products to support them as well.
PoE is okay I think. I have 3 characters, one normal mode, one end cruel and one start cruel.
I agree it does feel slow though. And the art design/level design in general is so boring that I don't even want to farm at all... Skeletons, skeletons, bandits, snakes, skeletons, monkeys, skeletons, oh yet another snake, annndd skeletons again... Cmon, seriously ? And the environments are as boring as possible.
Plus bosses are just terrible, especially act 2. Was the whole creature design done in about 2 seconds by the a random art guy in the team ?
Not to mention the whole gear upgrade thing which I think is cool and weird at the same time. It's kinda hard to rely on drops for your gear because the main way you'll get items is via crafting, and yet you have to save all the orbs until end game because they're too valuable...
Overall I play it casually because I don't have any other arpg to play atm.. but I'm super super excited with D3 extention ! can't wait !!
PoE sucked balls because...
Camera is too close in
Art style is as generic as you can get
Combat is boring, no satisfaction from killing anything
The talent tree is flexible but so piss poorly designed, it could easily have been streamlined in to something less cumbersome, but they made it a main selling point.
Skills are loot drops and rewards.
I tried it twice, first time I gave up half way through Act 1, second time half way through Act 2.
The camera is adjustable, just like the one in D3, use the scroll-wheel on your mouse.
Art style is similar to D2. Generic because of it's dark fantasy setting?
Most of Blizzards games could be called generic because they use they artisic style throughout their games.
While I agree the combat isn't as fluid D3, POE still doe's a pretty good job with the amount of skills you can use at any one time.
Yeah the Passive tree is pretty overwhelming the first time you see it and can see why it puts people off. But once you play a bit the stuff is actually quite layed out logically. It's this complexity that gives endless amount of possable builds.
Skills being loot drops or rewards is no different from other ARPG games that limit skills to level dependance. Level 1 gems are very easy to aquire through trading and cost you hardly anything.
If you've only got to Act 2 in Normal then I would really give it another go. Like most ARPG's the good stuff only starts to drop a lot later in the game.
we're waiting for the ps4 version of d3, we've got the ps3 demo at the moment and have a lot of fun playing as a family. the ps4 version includes the expansion and has this:
The most prominent of which is a new Adventure Kills system, which Berger described as "by far the most fun." Through this new system, when a player is killed by a monster, there is chance that the monster will level up and jump into a friend's game.
The first player's friend will be prompted with a message saying "Matthew's bane is stalking you," at which time the monster--described as elite and with special abilities--will appear on his screen. If the second player defeats the monster, the first player will receive a message saying their death has been avenged and the second player will receive loot.
If the second player is killed, the monster will grow even stronger and will stalk one of his friends, continuing the cycle, though it is not clear just how powerful the enemy can become.
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The list slipsius posted is the reason D3 on console is way better. I have no idea why the made the design decisions they did on PC; they're painful.
Why the heck don't they put a patch on pc? the top level legendaries on console are insane.
They're saving it for the expansion
Have had some connectivity issues to my router, so i was just playing offline (!). Hopefully can get that sorted out, my gamertag is mooselot, would love to do some MP!
my favorite changes by far are the camera interpolation on teleport moves (has been a pet peeve of mine since the game launched), and the increased monster density all around. So much more fun.
I specifically remember saying "Where are all the enemies" on the first day I played on PC.
other things i love:
- resurrect at corpse. Seems noob-ish, but love it.
- flag items as junk, auto sell junk at vendor. (SO GOOD)
- quick-look item compare on pickup
- single potion types that scale? fuck yeah.
- 1,2,3 up/down arrows showing quality of improvement at a glance
- auto-loot bodies on ground
- DODGE - the Butcher was so much more fun with a dodge, and those bees in act 2? Feels like cheating its so good.
- nephalim orbs. wtf they're awesome, going to be wrecking shop with these at 60!
not loving (omg nitpick)
- can't skip dialog bits in game. UGHHHH
- Radial menus are neat, but don't give you a big picture of your inventory. the #/60 at the bottom kind of kills all sense of passage of time, by not getting to see your inventory stack up.
- achievements/challenges don't auto sort by completion time/date.
- camera angle makes it harder to see yourself in areas. Outline shader is nice, but is mostly a complaint of being too used to pc.
Also to skip past dialogue (most dialogue prompts) just hit the BACK button on the 360. I assume that's select on PS3.
For example: When you meet the Scoundrel at the farm, you can skip all that annoying chit-chat and get him to open the door quickly by hitting space on the PC. If you hit the back button at that time on console, it opens your inventory.
Good way to play w/o having to play the story 1000000000x over.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/10974978/
so we expect all the happiness that people are experiencing on console!!!
i am excited for it again!
I never hated Diablo 3 - I just lost interest. Now, though, from what people are saying about the console version, and the new features coming with Reaper of Souls, I'm getting super excited again.
http://kotaku.com/blizzard-kills-diablo-iii-real-money-auction-house-1335035020?autoplay=1
BTW, there's a huge leak of Diablo 3 expansion on diablofans.com
Another thing I'd like them to adress is the itemization in general. All you're looking for in a weapon right now is pretty much the damage output. I'd like to see fun items as well! I want D2-crazy items
I still think there could be some sort of middle ground between relying on the auction house and getting rid of it. Maybe they should have a drop in the game that lets you use the auction house for 1 item, that way if you find amazing gear for a different character you don't have to try to sell it, but it would also limits the quantity and frequency of people using the auction house.
Erm, have you seen anything on Loot 2.0? They are already spending a LOT of time fixing it all. from scratch.
with the leveling of items in the expansion, plus removing the AH, can assume that its going to feel significantly different and better.
Also, from this announcement, do we predict the expansion is before or after March 2014?
The next big thing I am hoping for is for the game to become a bit more social. I'd like the game to actually promote genuine interaction with other players outside of staring at a chat window majority of time.
Holy shit this looks like the game will be amazing again!
I am excited to see more of this.
then again, i've always been of the opinion that small incremental changes are always better than huge sweeping patches.
Also, usually i agree. more constant updates are usually better. But in this case, they`re adding so much that it all needs to be implimented and balanced together if they want to make it work properly this time. Remember, this is their second chance. they dont want to blow it again
These features will be available to everyone, the only thing you need the expansion for is the new class, extra levels, and new zone.
Path of Exile is everything D3 should have been, and more. If you like this kind of game and haven't tried it yet, I strongly suggest that you give it a shot.
On an unrelated note, do a lot of people still play Starcraft 2? I was a huge fan of Starcraft 1 as I played it nonstop for like 10 hours a day every day as a child, but I gave it up since it became too addicting. I passed up SC2 since I didn't want to get addicted to it but I was thinking of picking it up the other day.
does "new zone" include the randomized dungeons that were promised before launch?
the changes coming to this game are astounding. all the classes are getting buffs and new skills that look siiick. the adventure mode.. ugh. soooo pumped for that.
all the new loot looks like everything it should have been int he first place. Im just over all EXCITED
This is why it's said that "for tastes: colors". At the beginning all these games are slow, you don't have decent gear, and you don't know the game mechanics. But once you are customed, it's a great game.
Anyway, those that think Path of exile is "crap", should play it more time and not just a "see and close". Too many people said the same about Dungeon siege 2 (the game that introduced goblins with treasures
BTW, i don't like what they are doing constantly with Diablo 3, they are breaking/changing the whole game constantly, forcing players to start all over again and forcing them to play more a more to get their gear. There are sick people playing all the days, leveling 10 characters to paragon lvl 100.
Before the 1.07 patch i had a gear with a great amount of DPS. With 1.08 they nerfed all more... and my DPS and my gear are now a shit. And the worse, is that with this new patch, i will need to play hundreds of hours to get a proper equipment for my characters, AGAIN, because my actual DPS will be nerfed a ~50% or more. And i'm sure they will repeat the process not 3 times.. but more.
I'm fed up of legacy items... the unique items are very very hard to get.
What level did you get to before deciding the game was crap?
POE is just a deeper game, more builds, better LOOT and generally a better game imho.
D3 was just a let down after loving D2, hopefully this expansion fixes this with the new loot system and the removal of the auction house.
Camera is too close in
Art style is as generic as you can get
Combat is boring, no satisfaction from killing anything
The talent tree is flexible but so piss poorly designed, it could easily have been streamlined in to something less cumbersome, but they made it a main selling point.
Skills are loot drops and rewards.
I tried it twice, first time I gave up half way through Act 1, second time half way through Act 2.
I won't stop playing Path of Exile but I'll surely buy this expansion on launch date and I'll probably go ahead and buy some other Blizzard products to support them as well.
I agree it does feel slow though. And the art design/level design in general is so boring that I don't even want to farm at all... Skeletons, skeletons, bandits, snakes, skeletons, monkeys, skeletons, oh yet another snake, annndd skeletons again... Cmon, seriously ? And the environments are as boring as possible.
Plus bosses are just terrible, especially act 2. Was the whole creature design done in about 2 seconds by the a random art guy in the team ?
Not to mention the whole gear upgrade thing which I think is cool and weird at the same time. It's kinda hard to rely on drops for your gear because the main way you'll get items is via crafting, and yet you have to save all the orbs until end game because they're too valuable...
Overall I play it casually because I don't have any other arpg to play atm.. but I'm super super excited with D3 extention ! can't wait !!
The camera is adjustable, just like the one in D3, use the scroll-wheel on your mouse.
Art style is similar to D2. Generic because of it's dark fantasy setting?
Most of Blizzards games could be called generic because they use they artisic style throughout their games.
While I agree the combat isn't as fluid D3, POE still doe's a pretty good job with the amount of skills you can use at any one time.
Yeah the Passive tree is pretty overwhelming the first time you see it and can see why it puts people off. But once you play a bit the stuff is actually quite layed out logically. It's this complexity that gives endless amount of possable builds.
Skills being loot drops or rewards is no different from other ARPG games that limit skills to level dependance. Level 1 gems are very easy to aquire through trading and cost you hardly anything.
If you've only got to Act 2 in Normal then I would really give it another go. Like most ARPG's the good stuff only starts to drop a lot later in the game.
sounds fun!