Yeah I know it comes down to something big <.< I did the math. I haven't read the books. Recent episodes just bored me. Maybe I just don't care enough. The political drama is pretty interesting. Story of a girl with dragons on the other end of the planet, boy being dragged by a HodorHodorHodor creature, Sansas and Aryas plots - all of those just seem pointless for now.
But like I said. Maybe I'm not enough into GoT. Also I haven't seen anything really big in GoT so I am not sure what to expect.
Sansa's plot will make more sense soon, and once you realise who's behind everything you'll also realise a whole lot more about a whole lot of other things. Arya... she's a bit of a loose cannon.
As for Dany. well... i think the biggest problem with the show, is her age. In the first book she was only 14, her story is about coming of age and finding her place in a male dominated world, she was traded like a piece of property (by her brother), treated as such by the dothraki, until she took control. and her journey throughout the books reflects her demands in a change of societal views not just on slaves but also on women, it's a lot deeper than it appears on face value. Also by the (current) final book, there are events throughout Westeros AND Essos both caused by her, and that will affect her deeply.
Bran's journey is also logical in its own way. there's nowhere south of the wall that's really safe for him (or Rickon), So he's going to a place where there's nothing specifically targeting him (sure, there are "others" up north, but they're not hunting him). Also his visions...
I realise most of this will come across as "nothing" but i'm trying not to spoil anything here.
Honestly though, read the books! they're fantastic and they make the show look bad, even though it's probably one of the best book to screen adaptations in existence.
As for the Nights King - i kinda hope it's just a convenient title and not actually linked to the legend.
Guys, keep in mind that Martin really likes to challenge expectations and defy conventions. I certainly wouldn't expect a LOTR kind of ending where good defeats evil, as one of the major themes of the books is that every living person is far more complex than that (even Joffrey).
One thing that should become clear by the end of book 5 is that
neither the White Walkers nor the dragons are any good for humanity, both being extremely destructive forces; not to mention the Children with their blood sacrifices and the three-eyed raven apparently trying to manipulate Bran for his own purposes.
If there's any way to have the story end in something at least partially good, then it should see the world get rid of all of them.
This also means that many of the characters we're still rooting for are probably going to end up on the wrong side of things in some way. A few of them might save themselves somehow but all in all it's looking very dark for most of the 'heroes'...
Bran's journey is also logical in its own way. there's nowhere south of the wall that's really safe for him (or Rickon), So he's going to a place where there's nothing specifically targeting him (sure, there are "others" up north, but they're not hunting him). Also his visions...
I think the visions are a big one for him in the books. The whole warg/magic thing is really downplayed in the show, but at the heart of it he's a broken boy who had his home, family, and aspirations destroyed. He's a cripple who misses running and climbing, and a three-eyed crow wants to teach him how to fly ('every flight begins with a fall'). I think its less about how safe he is, and more about doing something to fix himself, in one way or another.
I read the first four books, but i tired of Martin's writing style. I'd rather have a more traditional beginning middle and end or at least significant resolution.
Yeah I know it comes down to something big <.< I did the math. I haven't read the books. Recent episodes just bored me. Maybe I just don't care enough. The political drama is pretty interesting. Story of a girl with dragons on the other end of the planet, boy being dragged by a HodorHodorHodor creature, Sansas and Aryas plots - all of those just seem pointless for now.
But like I said. Maybe I'm not enough into GoT. Also I haven't seen anything really big in GoT so I am not sure what to expect.
Honestly I think the series is kinda boring too. I think it's not very well done in a lot of ways. So... it's ok
You will definitely get some bad-ass Tyrion plot coming up, maybe near the tail end of this season and then on-through the foreseeable future. Lots of shit coming to a head in kings landing.
Decent ep as always but I thought the Night Watch's attack on Craster's keep was pretty silly; they scouted it out and found they were drunk, with no sentries, so they just charged in? You'd think they could've snuck quite close, taken most of them by surprise, but the show just seemed to skip to "Okay, they're fighting now".
He was the guy who cut off Jaime's hand. In the show, Roose Bolton sent him to the wall to find out what he could about Brandon Stark (Having heard from Reek/Ramsay that he wasn't burnt at winterfell, some orphans were in their place). Pretty sure it goes down differently in the books but my memory is terrible. He was being all buddy buddy with Snow hoping he'd be led to Brandon.
I gotta say that Ygritte is amazing but lately I can't believe how sexy Margaery is. Damn, the casting for women on this show is just mind blowing. And that's not even mentioned dragon girl!
He actually wasn't in the books I don't think. He replaces the character Vargo. Vargo dies in a different place, different time.
In the books I'm fairly certain that Brans whereabouts remains unknown to Bolton. Bran makes it through the first part of the north without encountering the nights watch rebels, although he does almost come into contact with Jon Snow, they miss each-other.
Man I forget how even Hoat dies. But I am glad they're jumping Bran's storyline forward.
Potential book spoiler (not really but playing it safe):
I mentioned to a friend the other day that he (bran) seems like a cliche ultimate-destiny character like Skywalker or Neo... but maybe this is just so he can be killed off to defy that exact trope.
That mom and boob sucking pre-teen are so fucked in the head... Ehhh Did Martin spend time in West Virginia at some point while being inspired for these books?
The main story arc is the white walkers and the dragons.
I don't think so. Based on the books it hasn't gotten to that point yet, and we don't even know what the "Song of Fire and Ice" is. I suspect Song of Fire and Ice is just an elemental metaphor for the hardships that are being fought from the exit of Long Summer(Fire) to the entrance of a Long Winter(Ice).
I always took it more for the literal meaning. The dragons breathe fire and the white walkers bring ice with them where they go. isn't that why the guys water froze when he dumped it to tease the dire wolf?
I don't think so. Based on the books it hasn't gotten to that point yet, and we don't even know what the "Song of Fire and Ice" is. I suspect Song of Fire and Ice is just an elemental metaphor for the hardships that are being fought from the exit of Long Summer(Fire) to the entrance of a Long Winter(Ice).
!!!EXTREME SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS!!!
The following is an excerpt from the second book, while Daenerys is in the house of the undying (where the warlocks were keeping her dragons) she received a vision of her older (and long dead) brother Rhaegar:
The man had her brother's hair, but he was taller, and his eyes were a dark indigo rather than lilac. "Aegon," he said to a woman nursing a newborn babe in a great wooden bed. "What better name for a king?"
"Will you make a song for him?" the woman asked.
"He has a song," the man replied. "He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire." He looked up when he said it and his eyes met Dany's, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door. "There must be one more," he said, though whether he was speaking to her or the woman in the bed she could not say. "The dragon has three heads."
The story arc revolves around an as yet (possibly) unrevealed character.
I don't think so. Based on the books it hasn't gotten to that point yet
On the contrary. The first book actually opens and closes with that very thing; Others reappearing in the prologue with dragons in the epilogue. Both creatures have played big roles in the lore of the world, and so their sudden return after many centuries of absence is a pretty pivitol event to center around. The implications have since been rippling across every book afterwards, influencing all manner of characters and events (which in turn have their own ripple effects). I'm sure the theme of ice and fire can be read a few different ways (similar to the various prophecies in the book), but I think its pretty safe to say that both Dragons and Others have a big role to play in ASOIAF, past present and future.
I am glad they're jumping Bran's storyline forward.
I'm kinda starting to believe that Bran
is going to become a villain of some sort.
The last greenseer is clearly manipulating him, probably trying to use him to get revenge on the people of the Seven Kingdoms for casting him out or so, and everything about him is very creepy anyway, including the Children as well.
I mean there's a theory that they've killed Jojen and fed him to Bran in paste form!
Remember that in book 1 he had a vision from the three-eyed raven about what's far beyond the Wall, and that he's the one to save the world from it. But it was something the raven showed him and we have no idea if it has anything to do with the actual truth.
Bran's role also didn't clearly appear in any of the prophecies so far; we have the false dragon and the three heads of the dragon, and we have lots of characters with ominous destinies in Tyrion, Dany and Jon. The boy doesn't really seem to fit with them in any way.
Then there's the Night King, making an appearance in the previous episode and he's most likely a Stark. It sort of points to the forces beyond the Wall recruiting Bran, and the kid doesn't really have that many reasons to save the world of men anyway.
It'd also be a very cool reversal which Martin seems to like so much...
The main story arc is the white walkers and the dragons.
Or maybe it's about
how these forces both need to get the hell out of the world of men and leave them be.
I mean which one would you prefer to rule over you? Creatures of everlasting winter raising the undead, or uncontrollable beasts of pure magic and fire?
Don't forget that the Maesters have been working very hard to push magic out of this world and they almost succeeded. But now they're on the alert again and have already sent their agents to assess the situation.
I'm loving this season but I really feel that Bran's overall story is going at the pace of molasses and has been since last season really (Haven't read the books beyond what has been shown on tv yet mind you).
Also, any chance we will ever see Ricken again? He sort of was dropped to the side and forgotten about.
Rickon seems like he will be important later, both books and show.
Like with joffrey and Tommen. We never really got any sense (or description) of Tommen until Joffrey dies. (happened in the show like a month ago, not using a spoiler).
For the curious, without spoiling it, Rickons whereabout in the book are still part of the plot, so I can only guess that he will be pulled back into the main westeros conflict at some point.
I'm loving this season but I really feel that Bran's overall story is going at the pace of molasses and has been since last season really (Haven't read the books beyond what has been shown on tv yet mind you).
Stannis is the worst offender among several in the completely stalled story department. At least things are happening in Bran's story. Stannis just mopes about in his room.
Stannis is the worst offender among several in the completely stalled story department. At least things are happening in Bran's story. Stannis just mopes about in his room.
It's the same with the books, guys. Sometimes a character disappears for an entire book before showing up again. I don't think there is nearly enough time per episode to cover every single character imaginable. Just wait and see, it's never what you think.
hm good point about Stannis. Aside from the Leech scene in last season, not much really happened there.
It's good to hear that Ricken is still mentioned in the books, and you're right, we really didn't know much about Tommen until now, so there is still hope!
I never know how much is appropriate, because id never want to give away spoilers, so I'll try to keep being vague - but stannis definitely gets back into the story in cool ways. They are changing the order somewhat, but I think it will be relatively soon. Mellisandre and Davos too.
Epic episode... then again, it had Tyrion, so that's almost a guaranteed win in my book. His Peter Dinklage is so good with his expressions, and they way he delivers his lines. It's clear that he, and his father, share the same intellect, that Tyrion's other siblings are missing. The two of them are trying to test each others talents. It's too bad Tywin doesn't recognize what Tyrion is capable of, because he would be an amazing asset to maintain their power.
I am extremely excited about next week now, though I suspect things will slow down next week. Oh, and wtf Theon?
Tyrion is going to fight Jamie, but just before the fight, Cunt face sister is going to say something to jamie that is going to make him rethink everything, like why the fuck am I still going for this girl, so he sacrifices himself to let Tyrion go.
Really? Maybe by contrast, but I thought it was too abrupt/rushed in the books.
I was thinking it feels longer in the books. Maybe its a mixture of Reek being an older concept (along with Ramsay's interactions with Theon), the way the book really gets into Theon's head, and the long gap between book 3 and 5.
That and I don't remember Asha or any other Ironborn staging such a rescue attempt. That might have gone down a lot differently.
I watched last night episode and I was like... "Oh no. Tywin gonna makes Jamie fights Tyrion or Tyrion's champion. And Jamie gonna get killed off." T_T
But then I scouted the Internet and spoiled myself a bit <_<"
I was thinking it feels longer in the books. Maybe its a mixture of Reek being an older concept (along with Ramsay's interactions with Theon), the way the book really gets into Theon's head, and the long gap between book 3 and 5.
That and I don't remember Asha or any other Ironborn staging such a rescue attempt. That might have gone down a lot differently.
Asha tried to but couldn't find him.
I do agree that it's a more thorough and interesting perspective in the books, but the methodology couldn't have translated well to television. That long gap could definitely be a contributing factor -- I'd forgotten it was quite that long.
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But like I said. Maybe I'm not enough into GoT. Also I haven't seen anything really big in GoT so I am not sure what to expect.
As for Dany. well... i think the biggest problem with the show, is her age. In the first book she was only 14, her story is about coming of age and finding her place in a male dominated world, she was traded like a piece of property (by her brother), treated as such by the dothraki, until she took control. and her journey throughout the books reflects her demands in a change of societal views not just on slaves but also on women, it's a lot deeper than it appears on face value. Also by the (current) final book, there are events throughout Westeros AND Essos both caused by her, and that will affect her deeply.
Bran's journey is also logical in its own way. there's nowhere south of the wall that's really safe for him (or Rickon), So he's going to a place where there's nothing specifically targeting him (sure, there are "others" up north, but they're not hunting him). Also his visions...
I realise most of this will come across as "nothing" but i'm trying not to spoil anything here.
Honestly though, read the books! they're fantastic and they make the show look bad, even though it's probably one of the best book to screen adaptations in existence.
As for the Nights King - i kinda hope it's just a convenient title and not actually linked to the legend.
One thing that should become clear by the end of book 5 is that
If there's any way to have the story end in something at least partially good, then it should see the world get rid of all of them.
This also means that many of the characters we're still rooting for are probably going to end up on the wrong side of things in some way. A few of them might save themselves somehow but all in all it's looking very dark for most of the 'heroes'...
I think the visions are a big one for him in the books. The whole warg/magic thing is really downplayed in the show, but at the heart of it he's a broken boy who had his home, family, and aspirations destroyed. He's a cripple who misses running and climbing, and a three-eyed crow wants to teach him how to fly ('every flight begins with a fall'). I think its less about how safe he is, and more about doing something to fix himself, in one way or another.
Was watching starwars earlier today, and couldn't get this image outa my head lol
Honestly I think the series is kinda boring too. I think it's not very well done in a lot of ways. So... it's ok
my opinion: had a major lack of Tyrion Lanniste
In the books I'm fairly certain that Brans whereabouts remains unknown to Bolton. Bran makes it through the first part of the north without encountering the nights watch rebels, although he does almost come into contact with Jon Snow, they miss each-other.
Potential book spoiler (not really but playing it safe):
But that's just it, no single person has a story arc, they're all part of one giant arc. Westeros IS the story arc.
Sansa is a fucking moron. She's no better in the books and this fact is completely taken advantage of by everyone she meets.
That mom and boob sucking pre-teen are so fucked in the head... Ehhh Did Martin spend time in West Virginia at some point while being inspired for these books?
i think you'll enjoy the next couple of episodes.
The main story arc is the white walkers and the dragons.
I don't think so. Based on the books it hasn't gotten to that point yet, and we don't even know what the "Song of Fire and Ice" is. I suspect Song of Fire and Ice is just an elemental metaphor for the hardships that are being fought from the exit of Long Summer(Fire) to the entrance of a Long Winter(Ice).
!!!EXTREME SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS!!!
The following is an excerpt from the second book, while Daenerys is in the house of the undying (where the warlocks were keeping her dragons) she received a vision of her older (and long dead) brother Rhaegar:
"Will you make a song for him?" the woman asked.
"He has a song," the man replied. "He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire." He looked up when he said it and his eyes met Dany's, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door. "There must be one more," he said, though whether he was speaking to her or the woman in the bed she could not say. "The dragon has three heads."
The story arc revolves around an as yet (possibly) unrevealed character.
I'm kinda starting to believe that Bran
The last greenseer is clearly manipulating him, probably trying to use him to get revenge on the people of the Seven Kingdoms for casting him out or so, and everything about him is very creepy anyway, including the Children as well.
I mean there's a theory that they've killed Jojen and fed him to Bran in paste form!
Remember that in book 1 he had a vision from the three-eyed raven about what's far beyond the Wall, and that he's the one to save the world from it. But it was something the raven showed him and we have no idea if it has anything to do with the actual truth.
Bran's role also didn't clearly appear in any of the prophecies so far; we have the false dragon and the three heads of the dragon, and we have lots of characters with ominous destinies in Tyrion, Dany and Jon. The boy doesn't really seem to fit with them in any way.
Then there's the Night King, making an appearance in the previous episode and he's most likely a Stark. It sort of points to the forces beyond the Wall recruiting Bran, and the kid doesn't really have that many reasons to save the world of men anyway.
It'd also be a very cool reversal which Martin seems to like so much...
Or maybe it's about
I mean which one would you prefer to rule over you? Creatures of everlasting winter raising the undead, or uncontrollable beasts of pure magic and fire?
Don't forget that the Maesters have been working very hard to push magic out of this world and they almost succeeded. But now they're on the alert again and have already sent their agents to assess the situation.
Also, any chance we will ever see Ricken again? He sort of was dropped to the side and forgotten about.
Like with joffrey and Tommen. We never really got any sense (or description) of Tommen until Joffrey dies. (happened in the show like a month ago, not using a spoiler).
For the curious, without spoiling it, Rickons whereabout in the book are still part of the plot, so I can only guess that he will be pulled back into the main westeros conflict at some point.
It's good to hear that Ricken is still mentioned in the books, and you're right, we really didn't know much about Tommen until now, so there is still hope!
I am extremely excited about next week now, though I suspect things will slow down next week. Oh, and wtf Theon?
Tyrion is going to fight Jamie, but just before the fight, Cunt face sister is going to say something to jamie that is going to make him rethink everything, like why the fuck am I still going for this girl, so he sacrifices himself to let Tyrion go.
I was thinking it feels longer in the books. Maybe its a mixture of Reek being an older concept (along with Ramsay's interactions with Theon), the way the book really gets into Theon's head, and the long gap between book 3 and 5.
That and I don't remember Asha or any other Ironborn staging such a rescue attempt. That might have gone down a lot differently.
But then I scouted the Internet and spoiled myself a bit <_<"