Finally got it working in hlmv. needs more texturing and bit more tweaking on the barrel spin. HLMV and TF2 Map itemtest is failing me and not loading my custodian hat and weapon at the same time. How do you guys make those lovely preview images? HLMV? Also when i go to thirdperson in my server i can only see my players back? how do you manipulate the camera independently to get a nice shot of my model?
After you go into 3rd person, put thirdperson_mayamode into the dev console, that way the camera stays put so you can showcase your model. Either that or taunt.
After you go into 3rd person, put thirdperson_mayamode into the dev console, that way the camera stays put so you can showcase your model. Either that or taunt.
You'll also want to fiddle with the 'cam_' commands, namely 'cam_idealdist' and 'cam_idealdistup' to get the right angle/distance on the shot.
oh the style itself is simply another vtf and vtm.
i'll do some looking up on how you get it as an "option" in testing and such
Is it possible to make a custom style with multiple models then, or just textures? I know that some styles are both models and textures (ex. gibuses), but are they hard coded or can you make your own without replacing an item that already has multiple styles defined?
Is it possible to make a custom style with multiple models then, or just textures? I know that some styles are both models and textures (ex. gibuses), but are they hard coded or can you make your own without replacing an item that already has multiple styles defined?
Valve are the ones that handle setting up styles, but it should be easy enough for them to get it to work if you send them a few model variations. Just let them know what you intend.
The texture is quite bland. It doesn't have enough detail, and I think the gray should be few shades darker as it is bit too light at the moment (my personal taste though). Here's a good texturing tutorial. Take a good look at the example textures, not a lot of detail, but some detail. Right now it looks like there's three colours. Light grey, dark grey and yellow.
You should also play around with lights to get better AO render. Current one makes the dent too dark, while it should be just small C shaped shadow.
And keep in mind that it needs editing. Remove the border darkness etc, like seen in the border where the tip meets the helmet.
Congrats to the guys who's hats are now ingame! Guess we'lll be seeing another wave in a few weeks too then...
--- @roninsmastermix: You better figure out a way to make a Scotland Yard reference. Personally I'd cut down the grenade launcher quite a bit, it feels really heavy at the moment.
@Swizzle: Annoying as it is sometimes it just doesn't work in the model viewer, I remember seeing it happen on a few things I built ages back.
@BanthaFodder: My only real problem with that is that you aren't making stuff now. You're going to need as much practice as you can get for stuff to be awesome, and it'll be really aggravating trying to make you're masterpiece when you still have to figure out everything. Get the tools and play with them at any chance you get, even if it doesn't result in anything finished.
@GG_Underscore: If I get the chance I'll dig through my files for an old medigun project a while back. I remember the bone setup being an utter git - as in it needs a load the compiler will remove if you don't do a few things.
@EVIL: Seems a bit bright at the moment, though I do like the way you've done the patterning.
@Lamchop: Your hat seems to be lacking any kind of phong set up at the moment.
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Well I'm done:
Biggest final change was probably darkening the mid metal tone, I found that having the barrel contrast it better seemed more important than having the hood stand out from the rest of the gun.
Grab the mod version here if you'd like to use it. Many thanks to everybody who gave any kind of comment or criticism on it
I like the blue color though the red color doesn't seem to match the demo's body as well as it should, either way your model and texture look fantastic.
I pulled these team colours from the flamethrower textures, but others like the Frontier Justice and Wrangler use very similar colours. I went with these team colours because there's a trend among the Valve built weapons to use a tone that doesn't match the character colours, and is usually darker. Even the Flaregun, almost entirely teamcoloured, doesn't match it's wielder's colours.
This difference feels to me like a concious decision to have weapons stand out a little bit from the character who wields them, and it's something I rather like myself.
alrighty folks...
I'm hoping to model this pack over the Summer, as I feel it has a very VERY good chance of making it into the next Halloween update. So, I figured I'd post my preliminary ideas here to get some feedback (and call intellectual dibs) before I started doing anything. Let me know which names/effects/etc. you guys like, I crave the feedback of the community.
And now, without further ado...
THE SPY'S
TRANSYLVANIAN TERROR PACK!!!
I figured that the Spy has a lot in common with your average vampire; they're both ladies men, they both kill people, they're both crafty buggers, and they both have funny accents. This led me to the pack that I bring before you good people today. I bid you... velcome...
PRIMARY WEAPON:
An ornate revolver with silver and hard wood accents.
Possible Names: Helsing's Handcannon, Helsing's Hellraiser, The Van Hellraiser
Possible Effects: less damage/enemies bleed on hit
more damage/no crits
less damage/replenishes health on hit
MELEE WEAPON:
I'm thinking either a standard wooden stake (possibly w/ blood stain) or a more ornate one with details carved into the side.
Possible Names: The Heartbreaker, Saboteur's Stake, High Stakes, and my personal favorite... Mourning Wood.
Possible Effects: less damage/auto-fills health and cloak upon killing a bleeding enemy
decreased health/speed increases with each backstab
decreased health/health increases with each backstab
decreased health/cloak increases with each backstab
INVIS. WATCH:
Ornate silver pocket watch. Features a Raven on the front (in plae of the Dead Ringer's Hummingbird) and a silver chain that goes up the Spy's sleeve.
Possible Names: Transylvanian Timepiece, Vampire's Vatch, The Count's Cursed Clock, Hell's Heart
Possible Effects: decreased cloak time/places sappers on all nearby buildings if the Spy dies with the watch out
(M2 takes out the watch, after taking it out, M1 cloaks and de-cloaks, M2 puts the watch away).
HAT:
A vampire hairpiece with fangs (think the Pugulist's Protector). Comes in 4 different styles!
Possible Names: Dastardly Daywalker, Nosfora'do, Dracula's 'Do, Alucard's' Airdo
Style 1 (default): The Widowmaker- big widow's peak, spiked at the end (google Vlad Plasmius to see something similar to this)
Style 2: Old Mann- big puffy white hair, based off of Gary Oldman in Bram Stoker's Dracula
Style 3: Bela Muerte- slicked back widow's peak, based off of Bela Lugosi as Dracula
Style 4: Sunblock- same as #1, but with large sunglasses
MISC. ITEM:
A team-colored vampire brooch (think of the ones on Halloween costumes to get a good idea of what I'm going for)
Possible Names: Bloodsucker's Bling, Bloodthirsty Brooch, Mortal's Medallion, Neckoration, Fanged Flair
SET BONUS: Increased speed, but only when cloaked. This should turn out pretty well. You'd have to use the watch to get this bonus, so it'd only be a short speed boost, ideal for escaping from hairy situations, but not OP.
Alrighty then, that's what I've got. Best case scenario is, you all love it, I get it done over the Summer, it looks awesome, I submit it, it gets featured in the Mann Co. Store, and I make serious bank. But by all means, be as honest as you need to be here, constructive criticism and suggestions to full power. If you've managed to read this far, I thank you for your time.
I like this pack, good luck with it.
I hope you don't mind I had a go with it for practice:
I'm thinking I might have a go at a new medic hose
Edit: Also I have no idea where the bullets are coming from in the second version, I did a magazine in front of the trigger but it ends up looking like the sniper's uzi, maybe they could have an over time effect (like the tribal shiv) and one dart loaded at a time
Okay, so I'm having another go at my Scout Scarf, which is still super duper WIP. Honestly, I think all that crazy ruffles on it make it look too complex, but I guess we'll see. Anyway, I've been modeling it off of the Scout's reference pose. Some pics:
Now the problem I'm encounter having modeled the damn thing on the ref pose is that it clips with his body and everything else in practically every other animation he has. Now I'm sure that this could be solved with jigglebones, and I am looking into it, but it seems like it would be pretty complex to do and would clip frequently with the Scout's model whenever he moves. Anyone have advice? I would really appreciate it.
And if anyone has any ideas on how to remove his messenger bag with this equipped, that would be great too. I think it has something to do with bodygroups? Not having to worry about the tails clipping with that bag would make this sooooooooo much easier.
Oh and it's parented to bip_neck, since it's a scarf. :P
oh shit, the folds are modeled like that? its a bit to.. sharp. also segment it up further, it looks very angular at the moment, I think you can get away with a bit more triangles, so i'd say, larger folds, and smooth it out
I'm torn between two options for the apple I modeled a few pages back,
Either its going to be a william tell hat for the sniper, OR a sandvich replacement for the heavy, the "vitamine tell". proposed attributes would be the sharp decrease of headshots for 30 seconds after its consumed
I'm debating on whether or not to even have the folds in it. I guess I'll do a couple different mockups and see what sticks. One of my friends suggested having the neck of the scarf a little looser and more billowy, so we'll see.
I'm liking the idea as a lunchbox item for the Heavy, but the headshot attribute seems kind of pointless to me when the FoS exist. Maybe have it auto-regen health or something over time? Sort of like a pocket Medic, but without the overheal?
Also, I think it needs a juicy Granny Smith Apple skin, but that's because that's my favorite kind of apple. :P
I think you're going to be very hard pressed to get anything decent looking using just jiggle bones for that scarf if you really want the long, billowing out scarf (which would look kinda neat) you're probably going to have to go with some custom animations. Lots of custom animations.
Need help again. blender is failing me for some reason. I tried editing the barrel only and no matter how i try, unwrapped and remade the barrel from scratch and all, its the ONLY part of the smd not pointing at the map. When i move the uv on a different part of the map it does show a different pink/black pattern. You guys know anything about this? I'm not too fond of remodelling the whole thing though i'm already exploring it as an option.
I think you're going to be very hard pressed to get anything decent looking using just jiggle bones for that scarf if you really want the long, billowing out scarf (which would look kinda neat) you're probably going to have to go with some custom animations. Lots of custom animations.
I have a feeling you're right. the Medic's coat moves with a series of animations blended together depending on what he's doing right? I have no idea where I would begin to start something like that.
Need help again. blender is failing me for some reason. I tried editing the barrel only and no matter how i try, unwrapped and remade the barrel from scratch and all, its the ONLY part of the smd not pointing at the map. When i move the uv on a different part of the map it does show a different pink/black pattern. You guys know anything about this? I'm not too fond of remodelling the whole thing though i'm already exploring it as an option.
Try reapplying the material to the cylinder in Blender. Stuff like that can happen if the polygons don't have a material applied before they're exported as an SMD.
Looking nice EVIL, I was trying to design a decent knife for that same name.
youre still going to try? I'm curious as to what you will come up with
in the mean time, here is a small update, almost done on the modeling, not sure if I will damage it up a little (cracks in the handle etc, or a chip off the blade)
youre still going to try? I'm curious as to what you will come up with
in the mean time, here is a small update, almost done on the modeling, not sure if I will damage it up a little (cracks in the handle etc, or a chip off the blade)
nicely done
now I wish that the stabby noisemaker was still available .
though the knife as is may be lacking a little character
@EVIL- You could give it a leather wrap on the handel with or without the pins exposed. Just a thought. EDIT:For the hat, you should call it the Watermelon Man as a tribute to Herbie Hancock.
Just a little thing I thought of up, kind of double sided cane knife. Like you slash the guy with the sharp end, then finish him off with the spikes, Christian Brutal Sniper style.
Still a WIP at the moment, I'm planning to add some screw heads into the grip.
I'm planning to have a style for both sides so people can choose to do their killing the clean way, or the "oh dear god I just ripped out his spine" way.
Try reapplying the material to the cylinder in Blender. Stuff like that can happen if the polygons don't have a material applied before they're exported as an SMD.
Thanks for the advice. Got it to work now. Back to texturing.
Anyone have an idea on how animations might work on a hat? I know Valve doesn't enable them by default, but that's not what concerns me. What concerns me is how I implement the specific animations into the hat. For the scarf I'm making, let's say I made an animation for when the player moves forward, so that it looks like the tail is trailing behind the player flopping around in the wind. Now that I have the animation made, where exactly would I put the sequence for it? Like the Hotrod has a flip_up and flip_down sequence, but what exactly dictates when the animation is played? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Finally got it working in hlmv. needs more texturing and bit more tweaking on the barrel spin. HLMV and TF2 Map itemtest is failing me and not loading my custodian hat and weapon at the same time. How do you guys make those lovely preview images? HLMV? Also when i go to thirdperson in my server i can only see my players back? how do you manipulate the camera independently to get a nice shot of my model?
After you go into 3rd person, put thirdperson_mayamode into the dev console, that way the camera stays put so you can showcase your model. Either that or taunt.
edit: quick screenshot of it ingame
You need Ambient Occlusion.
@EVIL: It looks so..... wet, and squishy....
*ponders the effects of having his head in a watermelon*
Woud I be a horrible person if I put it on the Demoman?
Is it possible to make a custom style with multiple models then, or just textures? I know that some styles are both models and textures (ex. gibuses), but are they hard coded or can you make your own without replacing an item that already has multiple styles defined?
You should render out Ambient Occlusion through your 3D package, just google how to do it.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18271121/TF2/tf2guide.html there are links for XSI, Max and Blender AO guides in here if you need them
Here's a good texturing tutorial. Take a good look at the example textures, not a lot of detail, but some detail. Right now it looks like there's three colours. Light grey, dark grey and yellow.
You should also play around with lights to get better AO render. Current one makes the dent too dark, while it should be just small C shaped shadow.
And keep in mind that it needs editing. Remove the border darkness etc, like seen in the border where the tip meets the helmet.
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@roninsmastermix: You better figure out a way to make a Scotland Yard reference. Personally I'd cut down the grenade launcher quite a bit, it feels really heavy at the moment.
@Swizzle: Annoying as it is sometimes it just doesn't work in the model viewer, I remember seeing it happen on a few things I built ages back.
@BanthaFodder: My only real problem with that is that you aren't making stuff now. You're going to need as much practice as you can get for stuff to be awesome, and it'll be really aggravating trying to make you're masterpiece when you still have to figure out everything. Get the tools and play with them at any chance you get, even if it doesn't result in anything finished.
@GG_Underscore: If I get the chance I'll dig through my files for an old medigun project a while back. I remember the bone setup being an utter git - as in it needs a load the compiler will remove if you don't do a few things.
@EVIL: Seems a bit bright at the moment, though I do like the way you've done the patterning.
@Lamchop: Your hat seems to be lacking any kind of phong set up at the moment.
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Well I'm done:
Biggest final change was probably darkening the mid metal tone, I found that having the barrel contrast it better seemed more important than having the hood stand out from the rest of the gun.
Grab the mod version here if you'd like to use it. Many thanks to everybody who gave any kind of comment or criticism on it
I pulled these team colours from the flamethrower textures, but others like the Frontier Justice and Wrangler use very similar colours. I went with these team colours because there's a trend among the Valve built weapons to use a tone that doesn't match the character colours, and is usually darker. Even the Flaregun, almost entirely teamcoloured, doesn't match it's wielder's colours.
This difference feels to me like a concious decision to have weapons stand out a little bit from the character who wields them, and it's something I rather like myself.
NINJA:
@Evil: Nice, looks a lot better.
I hope you don't mind I had a go with it for practice:
I'm thinking I might have a go at a new medic hose
Edit: Also I have no idea where the bullets are coming from in the second version, I did a magazine in front of the trigger but it ends up looking like the sniper's uzi, maybe they could have an over time effect (like the tribal shiv) and one dart loaded at a time
Now the problem I'm encounter having modeled the damn thing on the ref pose is that it clips with his body and everything else in practically every other animation he has. Now I'm sure that this could be solved with jigglebones, and I am looking into it, but it seems like it would be pretty complex to do and would clip frequently with the Scout's model whenever he moves. Anyone have advice? I would really appreciate it.
And if anyone has any ideas on how to remove his messenger bag with this equipped, that would be great too. I think it has something to do with bodygroups? Not having to worry about the tails clipping with that bag would make this sooooooooo much easier.
Oh and it's parented to bip_neck, since it's a scarf. :P
I'm torn between two options for the apple I modeled a few pages back,
Either its going to be a william tell hat for the sniper, OR a sandvich replacement for the heavy, the "vitamine tell". proposed attributes would be the sharp decrease of headshots for 30 seconds after its consumed
any favourites?
here is the apple again:
I'm liking the idea as a lunchbox item for the Heavy, but the headshot attribute seems kind of pointless to me when the FoS exist. Maybe have it auto-regen health or something over time? Sort of like a pocket Medic, but without the overheal?
Also, I think it needs a juicy Granny Smith Apple skin, but that's because that's my favorite kind of apple. :P
Need help again. blender is failing me for some reason. I tried editing the barrel only and no matter how i try, unwrapped and remade the barrel from scratch and all, its the ONLY part of the smd not pointing at the map. When i move the uv on a different part of the map it does show a different pink/black pattern. You guys know anything about this? I'm not too fond of remodelling the whole thing though i'm already exploring it as an option.
Roninsmastermix: Maybe look at my old entry for ideas? http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7070/scoutpromo.png
I have a feeling you're right. the Medic's coat moves with a series of animations blended together depending on what he's doing right? I have no idea where I would begin to start something like that.
Try reapplying the material to the cylinder in Blender. Stuff like that can happen if the polygons don't have a material applied before they're exported as an SMD.
youre still going to try? I'm curious as to what you will come up with
in the mean time, here is a small update, almost done on the modeling, not sure if I will damage it up a little (cracks in the handle etc, or a chip off the blade)
now I wish that the stabby noisemaker was still available
though the knife as is may be lacking a little character
I would have named it Ze Psycho
Just a little thing I thought of up, kind of double sided cane knife. Like you slash the guy with the sharp end, then finish him off with the spikes, Christian Brutal Sniper style.
Still a WIP at the moment, I'm planning to add some screw heads into the grip.
I'm planning to have a style for both sides so people can choose to do their killing the clean way, or the "oh dear god I just ripped out his spine" way.
What should I add to the model? Any changes to what I have now?
Wait, what?
Yours fits the TF2 style much more.
Gagarin's helm with "СССР" sing on the flap? Good idea. You are really Communist Cake.
started this yesterday but didn't get to work on it long. its a fighter pilot head replacer for the pyro.