Ruz those anims look great, I think you should remove some keys to make the loop loose that little hiccup though, and it doesn't look like Brucie's holding that gun properly, other than that I love seeing someone taking the time to animate their awesome work
Rawtalent, let me rephrase everything people have been saying: STOP FUCKING POSTING IN HERE.
Make your own thread, and LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS YOU GET.
I'm honestly confused at this point whether you're just a troll or actually eager to learn.
You obviously haven't read a word people wrote about your previous update but here it goes again in a more short and abrupt manner: you shouldn't be wasting your time with this kind of detail and coloring and whatnot. That time you took to do this could've been better spent studying anatomy and making the appropriate changes to your model. Get reference and practice a lot, make lots of sketches, lots of drawing, etc.
I have taken into consideration what was said, for example I fixed the nose,I fixed his crotch area, and he isn't supposed to be totally realistically proportioned, he needs heroic proportioned, and I did use reference
I really don't want to get people annoyed but I am taking into consideration every bit of advice that I am given
It's not just a matter of fitting proportions, it's more complicated than that, plus I don't this reference will do you. I mean, now I understand why your pecs look so round. You shouldn't rely on one single piece of reference either, and even if you take a comic book drawing for overall proportions get some photographs of real people as well, there are tons of bodybuilding pictures around the internet you could use, for example.
Also, I don't really understand why he should stop posting here? I agree he would benefit much more from having his own thread but he isn't spamming this thread and other people keep posting their WIP shots as well, I don't see why this case is any different from what is already going on.
and he isn't supposed to be totally realistically proportioned
That's the shittiest excuse for anything ever. Listen to the good advice you're given here and follow it. Or even better, make your own thread, keep everything in one place.
Yeah, I forgot to address that but it's totally true. Every stylized character has to have a very strong foundation on realistic proportions and shapes. That's what you exagerate from, you don't just get to make up shapes at random. That's why we insist, know your basics and every thing else will come from there. Seriously, I'm saying this and I do mostly cartoony stuff, studying anatomy will improve your overall understanding of the human body and its shapes.
@RAWtalent
you seem to be knocking characters out everyweek. and no offence but none are good. People have been giving you great crits and were all trying to help but you seem to be taking the bare minium out of it.
you need to slow down. stop and draw, get some books on anatomy. dont just use a (very bad) super hero reference. watch tutorials. look how other people did their characters. spend alot of time on 1 character, dont rush it
I have no problem seeing your stuff on this thread, but the issue some people have is everyweek theres something new and it dosnt seem like your taking crits.
and maybe your not cut out to be a character modeller. no shame in it. i wanted to be a character modeller when i started but i learned i was much better at environments and props.
the key is to SLOW DOWN. i dont want to see a full character in a week, i want to see improvement. use a tutoral and do the head. then ask for crits, then fix it if it needs to be fixed and if it looks great..then continue
i really hope you take our crits because were trying to HELP YOU
I have taken into consideration what was said, for example I fixed the nose,I fixed his crotch area, and he isn't supposed to be totally realistically proportioned, he needs heroic proportioned, and I did use reference
I really don't want to get people annoyed but I am taking into consideration every bit of advice that I am given
people are annoyed as this thread used to be a massive source of inspiration and your half arsed models are ruining the thread! no one cares what your working on quite frankly
Wow, way to be an asshole. You know you can just scroll through stuff without looking at everything, right? This isn't the "Post your beautiful stuff so people can lick your balls" thread, this entire community is built on helping each other out and giving constructive criticism, I don't know why this is so difficult to grasp for some people.
Rawtalent: + for trying, Doing a full character like that with all of the muscles showing is not an easy task. Organic models are nothing like hardedge models when it comes to relying on a blueprint sheet (even with hardedge models its always good to have extra reference).
my best advice would be not to make your first models from comic or cartoony stuff.
just try modeling a normal male from reference and observe it from every angle possible.
also just make a wiptopic, it's the best way to keep track of what people said
I have taken into consideration what was said, for example I fixed the nose,I fixed his crotch area, and he isn't supposed to be totally realistically proportioned, he needs heroic proportioned, and I did use reference
I really don't want to get people annoyed but I am taking into consideration every bit of advice that I am given
I think it's maybe a little early to be tackling characters...you don't fully understand proper polygon modelling yet. Try smaller non-organic projects till you do. As is stands now your work is not improving from project to project.
I think it's maybe a little early to be tackling characters...you don't fully understand proper polygon modelling yet. Try smaller non-organic projects till you do. As is stands now your work is not improving from project to project.
This.
Rawtalent: If I'm right, you're coming from a modding community place, where things happen to be made from nothing with no planning or reflexion whatsoever on what's going to be created (if I'm right, a GTA modding community).
It's quite normal that people here are a lot more honest in their critiques since they have a professional background for most. Now this forum IS the best place for you to learn from your mistakes, for sure. So keep up, and make sure to take into consideration what has been said in the last worthy posts.
people are annoyed as this thread used to be a massive source of inspiration and your half arsed models are ruining the thread! no one cares what your working on quite frankly
Completely unnecessary man, he's trying and actually following through with all of his models, but its obvious he is still new and learning. Not everyone can bust out flawless art, it takes time and practice.
As for you RAWTalent, listen to what everyone is saying. It's obvious that you need some practice and all these kind people are EAGER to give you pointers, you just need to make sure that it is done in your own thread. No one is going to want to explain to you in detail what's needed to be fixed in such an active thread like this one.
Ok I will create a thread for all of my stuff to go in, 1 too keep out of here for people who use it for inspiration (and people who blow a fuse waaaay to easily) and in the hopes I can improve my skills, and probably most importantly to allow me to get more of the helpful constructive criticism that I have been receiving. Thanks for all the constructive stuff I have had in this thread from the majority
And felipefrango in particular thanks man, I am new to this side of modelling I only really have experience with modding projects and although it's a steep learning curve I am passionate enough to stick at it.
Yeah, learning to take criticism is also part of the whole thing, you have to be humble and learn to recognize your mistakes, and it's actually harder said than done. I have a really hard time receiving criticism but I know it's best for me if I just listen to it and learn where I'm wrong. You'll see you'll be less and less wrong over time.
oh yeah, another thing RAWTalent: every now and then, zoom out, rotate your model, check it out by taking a step back and look at it from a distance... not just the front and side views. The 3/4 angle is a good place to check you got stuff working, you might even want to find references for that angle too, not necessarily to model directly from but to take a look at while working. Ok, is this too much thread derailment?
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Practising environments by working from Super Metroid stuff
as you can probably see I am very new to environments, but I'm learning a lot in the process, at least about lights... like this lava test
thanks for the feedback guys. Makes me want to animate some more:)
Here is my run cycle so far
I will make a new thread for them after this as it might be a bit distracting seeing stuff move in a page layout
loving Xoliul's 3DS Max Viewport Shader BTW. I use it for all my work now
Working on a remake of the bathroom from the "Facility" map in Goldeneye. It's for one of my five classes, so I don't have the time that I would like to put into it, but I'm hoping someday I can do the whole map. All the textures except for the walls are a WIP. Also going to add more props.
@Ruz: It's not looking too natural too me. Kinda looks like a sped up walk animation. I think it's cuz he's running with his back straight, usually when you run you have your shoulders out in front of you.
I've been looking at this forum for a good 4 months now and I've been too afraid to post anything because i'm really overwhelmed by the level of the artists in here. You guys are such an inspiration T____T
But... well, enough of that gay introduction (not that I have anything against homosexual people tho')
I've been working on my spare time to some weirdo Zombies Ate My Neighbors remake and I'd LOVE some critics on my models, mostly because I may have started modelling when I was 12 (now 19) but I still don't consider myself good... let's say I think my models are *sighs* ...decent for a 2003/2005 game e_e
So... this is the model i'm currently working on:
And a wire.
As you may notice, I'm going for a cartoon-but-not-that-cartoony look but I don't think I'm on the right path.
So... if someone could help me with a paintover I'd definitely appreciate it
Thanks
P.S.: after I'm done with this base model I'll probably take it to Zbrush but that won't make such a big change since I suck at it. I've had it for ... two weeks now x_x
sampson:
Pretty much, yeah. I actually imported an Illustrator file into Modo and worked from there, so it's definitely pretty messy.
Slipstream:
One of the projects I have in mind for the near future has to do with Ender's Game, so I'm planning on using that in the final presentation images. I also just wanted a cool wallpaper.
Slipstream:
One of the projects I have in mind for the near future has to do with Ender's Game, so I'm planning on using that in the final presentation images. I also just wanted a cool wallpaper.
I knew it ! When I saw "Dragon" and "Battle School" I immediately thought of Ender... A wallpaper version would be nice
Been looking at this thread and all the work I'm seeing is awesome.
Glode - Environments looking nice, too bad you lost a bunch of your stuff. It is really dark at the moment and I'd try going in and lighting it up as right now its very hard to make out what's going on. @Neow - that's amazing man! Awesome stuff.
Don't really know if I'll be using this stuff for anything so at the moment it's simply HP modeling practice - would definitely love any critique;
uh...a dome of sorts:
Was staring at Kevin Johnstone's Unreal models for too long and well, this is pretty much inspired by his:
paulsvoboda , that just way toooo awesome! Very Kevin Johnstone(which I don't mind, he's one of my favorite artists!) I love the gritty rendering, it complements the models just right!
Got around to baking my robot, and started throwing some colors on to it.
He's around 10k tris, with 2k textures for now (but should look fine with 1k).
Great stuff on these pages for the last few days, you guys rock.
thanks for the feedback guys. Makes me want to animate some more:)
Here is my run cycle so far
I will make a new thread for them after this as it might be a bit distracting seeing stuff move in a page layout
loving Xoliul's 3DS Max Viewport Shader BTW. I use it for all my work now
Timing is way too even...experiment with giving it more frames while he's in the air...or the opposite, see what works best.
Autopsy Soldier and Blender head. yeah I think it does need a bit of work to take it away from the slightly default look it has now.
It's harder to get the extra sublety in there , the base is fairly easy to get
sampson:
Pretty much, yeah. I actually imported an Illustrator file into Modo and worked from there, so it's definitely pretty messy.
Slipstream:
One of the projects I have in mind for the near future has to do with Ender's Game, so I'm planning on using that in the final presentation images. I also just wanted a cool wallpaper.
That would be awesome
@Muzz: Those are some weird and neat little creatures.
@Bal: Really, 10k :O That seriously looked like the high poly. Can't wait to see the textures for it!
@paulsvoboda: Those are really beautiful pieces, I definitely see the inspiration. The only thing I think is kinda strange is that you double up on bricks in the middle of the dome, so that they're side by side. Is that how it works? My search of the internet to confirm or deny my opinion failed.
@build.: Those must've been tough to make. Nice rocks!
Thanks guys!
Yeah I learnt quite a lot about what works and what doesn't with normal maps on this model, most of the visible 90 degree angles are chamfered, with one of the edges being hard (the one that has the UV split, so as no to add an extra vertices with the hard edges). Was tricky to fit it at 10k, used a lot of progressive cylinder collapsing (I just made that term up), to keep a good silhouette, while having a minimal amount of edges on the inside.
Here's a quick screenshot of the wire, it's at 10 145 triangles to be precise.
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Make your own thread, and LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS YOU GET.
I'm honestly confused at this point whether you're just a troll or actually eager to learn.
I have taken into consideration what was said, for example I fixed the nose,I fixed his crotch area, and he isn't supposed to be totally realistically proportioned, he needs heroic proportioned, and I did use reference
I really don't want to get people annoyed but I am taking into consideration every bit of advice that I am given
Also, I don't really understand why he should stop posting here? I agree he would benefit much more from having his own thread but he isn't spamming this thread and other people keep posting their WIP shots as well, I don't see why this case is any different from what is already going on.
you seem to be knocking characters out everyweek. and no offence but none are good. People have been giving you great crits and were all trying to help but you seem to be taking the bare minium out of it.
you need to slow down. stop and draw, get some books on anatomy. dont just use a (very bad) super hero reference. watch tutorials. look how other people did their characters. spend alot of time on 1 character, dont rush it
I have no problem seeing your stuff on this thread, but the issue some people have is everyweek theres something new and it dosnt seem like your taking crits.
and maybe your not cut out to be a character modeller. no shame in it. i wanted to be a character modeller when i started but i learned i was much better at environments and props.
the key is to SLOW DOWN. i dont want to see a full character in a week, i want to see improvement. use a tutoral and do the head. then ask for crits, then fix it if it needs to be fixed and if it looks great..then continue
i really hope you take our crits because were trying to HELP YOU
my best advice would be not to make your first models from comic or cartoony stuff.
just try modeling a normal male from reference and observe it from every angle possible.
also just make a wiptopic, it's the best way to keep track of what people said
tadpole: don't be a dick
Lost a lot of stuff (such as the fire place, and broken up floor pieces and some other stuff) due to a pc problems
I think it's maybe a little early to be tackling characters...you don't fully understand proper polygon modelling yet. Try smaller non-organic projects till you do. As is stands now your work is not improving from project to project.
This.
Rawtalent: If I'm right, you're coming from a modding community place, where things happen to be made from nothing with no planning or reflexion whatsoever on what's going to be created (if I'm right, a GTA modding community).
It's quite normal that people here are a lot more honest in their critiques since they have a professional background for most. Now this forum IS the best place for you to learn from your mistakes, for sure. So keep up, and make sure to take into consideration what has been said in the last worthy posts.
crowd prays you to do that.
Completely unnecessary man, he's trying and actually following through with all of his models, but its obvious he is still new and learning. Not everyone can bust out flawless art, it takes time and practice.
As for you RAWTalent, listen to what everyone is saying. It's obvious that you need some practice and all these kind people are EAGER to give you pointers, you just need to make sure that it is done in your own thread. No one is going to want to explain to you in detail what's needed to be fixed in such an active thread like this one.
And felipefrango in particular thanks man, I am new to this side of modelling I only really have experience with modding projects and although it's a steep learning curve I am passionate enough to stick at it.
oh yeah, another thing RAWTalent: every now and then, zoom out, rotate your model, check it out by taking a step back and look at it from a distance... not just the front and side views. The 3/4 angle is a good place to check you got stuff working, you might even want to find references for that angle too, not necessarily to model directly from but to take a look at while working. Ok, is this too much thread derailment?
-
Practising environments by working from Super Metroid stuff
as you can probably see I am very new to environments, but I'm learning a lot in the process, at least about lights... like this lava test
benelli m4
Here is my run cycle so far
I will make a new thread for them after this as it might be a bit distracting seeing stuff move in a page layout
loving Xoliul's 3DS Max Viewport Shader BTW. I use it for all my work now
Is that just a stand alone piece or is it part of a larger project?
But... well, enough of that gay introduction (not that I have anything against homosexual people tho')
I've been working on my spare time to some weirdo Zombies Ate My Neighbors remake and I'd LOVE some critics on my models, mostly because I may have started modelling when I was 12 (now 19) but I still don't consider myself good... let's say I think my models are *sighs* ...decent for a 2003/2005 game e_e
So... this is the model i'm currently working on:
And a wire.
As you may notice, I'm going for a cartoon-but-not-that-cartoony look but I don't think I'm on the right path.
So... if someone could help me with a paintover I'd definitely appreciate it
Thanks
P.S.: after I'm done with this base model I'll probably take it to Zbrush but that won't make such a big change since I suck at it. I've had it for ... two weeks now x_x
Pretty much, yeah. I actually imported an Illustrator file into Modo and worked from there, so it's definitely pretty messy.
Slipstream:
One of the projects I have in mind for the near future has to do with Ender's Game, so I'm planning on using that in the final presentation images. I also just wanted a cool wallpaper.
Glode - Environments looking nice, too bad you lost a bunch of your stuff. It is really dark at the moment and I'd try going in and lighting it up as right now its very hard to make out what's going on.
@Neow - that's amazing man! Awesome stuff.
Don't really know if I'll be using this stuff for anything so at the moment it's simply HP modeling practice - would definitely love any critique;
uh...a dome of sorts:
Was staring at Kevin Johnstone's Unreal models for too long and well, this is pretty much inspired by his:
bugger lover
I made it so I could use it as a wallpaper. So here you go.
He's around 10k tris, with 2k textures for now (but should look fine with 1k).
Great stuff on these pages for the last few days, you guys rock.
Timing is way too even...experiment with giving it more frames while he's in the air...or the opposite, see what works best.
It's harder to get the extra sublety in there , the base is fairly easy to get
That would be awesome
@Muzz: Those are some weird and neat little creatures.
@Bal: Really, 10k :O That seriously looked like the high poly. Can't wait to see the textures for it!
@paulsvoboda: Those are really beautiful pieces, I definitely see the inspiration. The only thing I think is kinda strange is that you double up on bricks in the middle of the dome, so that they're side by side. Is that how it works? My search of the internet to confirm or deny my opinion failed.
@build.: Those must've been tough to make. Nice rocks!
Yeah I learnt quite a lot about what works and what doesn't with normal maps on this model, most of the visible 90 degree angles are chamfered, with one of the edges being hard (the one that has the UV split, so as no to add an extra vertices with the hard edges). Was tricky to fit it at 10k, used a lot of progressive cylinder collapsing (I just made that term up), to keep a good silhouette, while having a minimal amount of edges on the inside.
Here's a quick screenshot of the wire, it's at 10 145 triangles to be precise.