I have a question about subdivision modeling. We basically have two mechanisms to sharpen edges: 1) support loops; 2) edge creases. Is there some set of rules when I should prefer one over another? From my understanding: edge creases allow keep geometry simple; support loops usually give a better look, because it creates more geometry and therefore smoother transition between faces. Is this it? Or maybe things are more complex?
I have a question about subdivision modeling. We basically have two mechanisms to sharpen edges: 1) support loops; 2) edge creases. Is there some set of rules when I should prefer one over another? From my understanding: edge creases allow keep geometry simple; support loops usually give a better look, because it creates more geometry and therefore smoother transition between faces. Is this it? Or maybe things are more complex?
To be honest, My Personal op is to go with whatever makes the job look good and fast.
However, I usually go with supporting loops for the sole reason, that I feel as if I have more control over my mesh, and I like being in control. of it. Supporting loops tend to also work better for me because you can decide how smooth or sharp an edge should be, while I haven't used creasing that much, but I think it's a lot lesser control with the smoothness of the edge. It tends to be used when you want a perfect hard edge.
I have a question about subdivision modeling. We basically have two mechanisms to sharpen edges: 1) support loops; 2) edge creases. Is there some set of rules when I should prefer one over another? From my understanding: edge creases allow keep geometry simple; support loops usually give a better look, because it creates more geometry and therefore smoother transition between faces. Is this it? Or maybe things are more complex?
under the hood, creasing (atleast the type of creasing colloquially used in max/maya) is typically just fencing geometry around your edge selection, pretty much adding support loops without any visible geometry being added. The value of creasing = the width of the support loops. With that being said, creasing does still need "support" loops to subdivide nicely - any large polygon distances, it'll have pretty ugly shading.
Creasing in something like zBrush is retaining hard edges, and won't bevel/soften after subdivisions.
Could you please share your solution? I'm really curious. I'm learning 3D and yesterday I saw your post and tried to model myself the piece you had problems with and I also found it very tricky.
@Cake_Seller Thanks for the reply - After looking through the thread, and all the really complex
models within, I removed my request. I don't think it's going to be that
hard after all.
I'm working with using 3 different objects to create a facsimile of the part needed. (I got some help from friend on Fiverr) rather than trying to do it as one piece. I would imagine that there are several ways to come with the same result. I'll try to remember to post what I come up with. Thanks again!
I'm just not sure where to start. I can't even draw it accurately, wireframe or otherwise. I'm not worried about the small details like the mesh or the wires and extra plating on the underside for the screws. I would mainly like to know how to get the shape of this.
Hi,I'm trying to figure out how to fill inside of my object.I want to fill it completely to make it as a solid object in order to use it in 3d printing.
Also I want to know do I really need to fill the whole object in order to print this model?any suggestions would be appreciated, Thanks
Hi,I'm trying to figure out how to fill inside of my object.I want to fill it completely to make it as a solid object in order to use it in 3d printing.
Also I want to know do I really need to fill the whole object in order to print this model?any suggestions would be appreciated, Thanks
Hi,I'm trying to figure out how to fill inside of my object.I want to fill it completely to make it as a solid object in order to use it in 3d printing.
Also I want to know do I really need to fill the whole object in order to print this model?any suggestions would be appreciated, Thanks
This Kriss Vector stock is giving me quite a hard time. I got it looking like the reference, but the process was a bit dirty, and the cylinder boolean I used ended up messing up the bevel on the edges. What are some very simple and clean methods to achieving this?
match the segments as best you can so you don't distort either the cylinder, or the bevel. You conveniently have just enough segments, but can add these two loops if you want to enforce quads.
Don't forget your supporting geo here as well (i'm assuming you're trying to make a highres mesh)
Hey good points. Really didn't notice that I wasn't so far off after all. Yes I will definitely place supporting loops for the high poly. Thanks for the visuals.
Hey good points. Really didn't notice that I wasn't so far off after all. Yes I will definitely place supporting loops for the high poly. Thanks for the visuals.
For the grip on the Vector, any way to get this bevel from the current state of the mesh? Or would I need to restart from the beginning with the bevel already done?
I tried beveling that area of issue first before beveling the rest of grip (front and back areas). Seems to work better but would still need to create that back thumb area bevel.
I'm trying to model this shape and then bevel it. Beveling destroys the flat surface on top and makes these strange slopes at the corners. Is there a better way to do this?
I'm trying to model this shape and then bevel it. Beveling destroys the flat surface on top and makes these strange slopes at the corners. Is there a better way to do this?
you could do a couple of things.
1. select all the faces and right click sayinh "smooth shading". if that does not help 2. use a subd modifier on the top. If thats something you want to avoid 3. Weighted Normal modifier.
Looks fused, but the smaller cylinder seems to be crashing into the other one rather than having a tiny gap. That - or he had a change in topology to merge them together. No magic here.
Hello guys! I need your advise again. I'm modeling this mouse
Here is my attempt. I was trying to achieve this form using spline modeling (''Loft" modifier in 3ds max) Anyway in the end I have this angle on the round part(it should be smooth). Should I add more geometry or maybe I try another topology ?
Hello guys! I need your advise again. I'm modeling this mouse
Here is my attempt. I was trying to achieve this form using spline modeling (''Loft" modifier in 3ds max) Anyway in the end I have this angle on the round part(it should be smooth). Should I add more geometry or maybe I try another topology ?
you are adding details to fast, and at that, you're mesh is already very dense.
Try to block out the entire shape before. See if you can find better references, that shows it from more perspective.
Take those into your photo editing program and draw out the edgeflow.
Hey guys! I need advise. I having a trouble to bevel the hole inside there. Every time I try to bevel it the bevel will make the cylinder get hard edge and the rectangle hole become terrible.
Hey guys! I need advise. I having a trouble to bevel the hole inside there. Every time I try to bevel it the bevel will make the cylinder get hard edge and the rectangle hole become terrible.
Moar geometry. You're using an 8 sided cylinder, which doesn't even closeesly represent the proportions/size of that hole you're trying to detail in. Try a 48 sided cylinder.
can anyone tell me how to do the hinge here? I do not have a clue how to connect the panel with the hinge...
Hi, to be honest, it's hard for me to even understand the shape of this joint and what part of the shape belongs to the top or bottom piece. The concept looks a bit confusing to me. Although it has a hinge it looks like it is one piece and the top and the bottom parts will not able to rotate relative to each other because they are coupled rigidly (not sure that I found good words to describe what I mean).
Is this your problem too? You can not understand what form does this object has? Or you have understood the shape but you don't know how to implement this shape in 3D software?
Start with a cylinder blocking out there the hinge will be, and build around it. I wouldn't worry too much about making it make 100% sense or avoiding internal collisions, scifi art takes a lot of liberties with design realism.
can anyone tell me how to do the hinge here? I do not have a clue how to connect the panel with the hinge...
Hi, to be honest, it's hard for me to even understand the shape of this joint and what part of the shape belongs to the top or bottom piece. The concept looks a bit confusing to me. Although it has a hinge it looks like it is one piece and the top and the bottom parts will not able to rotate relative to each other because they are coupled rigidly (not sure that I found good words to describe what I mean).
Is this your problem too? You can not understand what form does this object has? Or you have understood the shape but you don't know how to implement this shape in 3D software?
I too do not understand the shape either, well partially I do but primarily I want to learn to make a cylindrical detail that is attached to a plane or box-shaped model. I have an idea how to do it but want to see how others are doing it and learn from them. I also want to learn hard surface modelling and be able to design from concepts that are seen at an angle like the mecha leg up there.
can anyone tell me how to do the hinge here? I do not have a clue how to connect the panel with the hinge...
This is one case where I would use a boolean. Make the hinge half-cylinder pieces and boolean them with the rest of the mesh. As long as the boolean is done when the mesh is very low poly it's easy to make sure it has clean topology with a bit of cleanup.
Start with a cylinder blocking out there the hinge will be, and build around it. I wouldn't worry too much about making it make 100% sense or avoiding internal collisions, scifi art takes a lot of liberties with design realism.
Hi all to the master here, I'm pretty new to 3D and I was trying to model a halo battle rifle called BR85HB, and I faced some problem which I don't really know how the topology work at this section because there are like hole etc, wonder if anyone here know how it work for the topology?
Hi all to the master here, I'm pretty new to 3D and I was trying to model a halo battle rifle called BR85HB, and I faced some problem which I don't really know how the topology work at this section because there are like hole etc, wonder if anyone here know how it work for the topology?
I don’t think you need use subdivision surface modeling for this kind of shape. For me it looks like for this shape it’s easier to use booleans and bevels. Topology doesn't matter much. You end up with big amount of n-gons, but since those mainly will be on flat surfaces they will not affect shading.
@Kanc3 I recommend you to check out this channel: https://youtube.com/c/JoshGambrell This guy models similar things. He uses blender, but even if you use another software you should understand how to achieve similar results.
@Kanc3 I recommend you to check out this channel: https://youtube.com/c/JoshGambrell This guy models similar things. He uses blender, but even if you use another software you should understand how to achieve similar results.
Alright thank you so much will definitely check it out!
can anyone tell me how to do the hinge here? I do not have a clue how to connect the panel with the hinge...
break down the shape in Photoshop/whatever floats the boat
1. Primary shapes, Without cuts. Just a box version of it.
2. Secondary shapes, cutouts, and so on.
(3). tertiary shapes (smallest shapes)
4. But I just wrote floaters here, Works fine to have floaters.
so.. yeah I was to lazy to finish it, but you can simply see the fast blockout here. And now for this drunken pirate, time to sleep.
Apparently I was drunk yesterday, but I did do more. But I just forgot to upload it. Apologize. Also a big fat Sorry To @FrankPolygon and @Perna ... For ruining the topology.
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From my understanding: edge creases allow keep geometry simple; support loops usually give a better look, because it creates more geometry and therefore smoother transition between faces. Is this it? Or maybe things are more complex?
in order to use it in 3d printing.
just bridge ?
What are some very simple and clean methods to achieving this?
Thanks
Hey good points. Really didn't notice that I wasn't so far off after all. Yes I will definitely place supporting loops for the high poly.
Thanks for the visuals.
Very clear and simple at the end!
Thanks for the help
I tried beveling that area of issue first before beveling the rest of grip (front and back areas). Seems to work better but would still need to create that back thumb area bevel.
Thanks as always
I'm trying to model this shape and then bevel it. Beveling destroys the flat surface on top and makes these strange slopes at the corners. Is there a better way to do this?
Try changing Limit method to None in Bevel modifier, or reducing the angle.
1. select all the faces and right click sayinh "smooth shading". if that does not help
2. use a subd modifier on the top. If thats something you want to avoid
3. Weighted Normal modifier.
They aren't fused, they're separate objects (as they should be, since telescopic lenses are separate objects).
Here they are definitely separate pieces:
you guys figure out the impossible sometimes idk
Here is my attempt. I was trying to achieve this form using spline modeling (''Loft" modifier in 3ds max)
Anyway in the end I have this angle on the round part(it should be smooth). Should I add more geometry or maybe I try another topology ?
you are adding details to fast, and at that, you're mesh is already very dense.
Moar geometry. You're using an 8 sided cylinder, which doesn't even closeesly represent the proportions/size of that hole you're trying to detail in. Try a 48 sided cylinder.
Is this your problem too? You can not understand what form does this object has? Or you have understood the shape but you don't know how to implement this shape in 3D software?
I also want to learn hard surface modelling and be able to design from concepts that are seen at an angle like the mecha leg up there.
This guy models similar things. He uses blender, but even if you use another software you should understand how to achieve similar results.