steam workshop and the new item test under sdk look very nice. As usual steam is clogged up with every steam user simultaneously downloading the update...
congrats to everyone!
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god dammit Valve, RIGHT when I start making refined and stuff back, you drop THIS...
and now I need the Hot Dog Hat, the Sniper Rambo Hair, the Pyro's Conscious, the Peg Leg, the Heavy Rambo Hair, the Medic Stethescope.... the Hot Dog Hat... and there's probably like 20 other things I'm going to have to trade for/craft/hunt down...
and we need a poster of baby Saxton retrieving the confetti from the bear.
EDIT: *checks item list*
"and now I just gotta wait for the pictures to lo-"
*NOISEMAKER- VUVUZELA*
"*sigh* god dammit Valve... I'll go get my wallet..."
EDIT 2- ELECTRIC BOOGALOO:
*One Man Army and Your Worst Nightmare are literally the same hat, but count as seperate items*
"DAMMIT VALVE! it's the same hat! why didn't you just make it the same hat, but equippable for both Sniper and Heavy? it doesn't matter if the models are different, just look at the Team Captain! why did you do thi-"
*sees Hot Dogger*
"all is forgiven."
I wonder if/how much more the system will now be skewed towards the same 10 people getting items in over and over again.
how is that skewed or a issue, those people are getting there items cause they are consistently coming up with good ideas, and executing the ideas well.
Should I resubmit using the new system or something? I just want an explanation as to why not one of my submissions were good enough. I mean the Flamboyant Flamenco is basically a less polished version of one of my submissions.
Should I resubmit using the new system or something? I just want an explanation as to why not one of my submissions were good enough. I mean the Flamboyant Flamenco is basically a less polished version of one of my submissions.
you could re-submit, it could have got lost in the stack, problem is if everyone starts submitting multiple times your no better off.
just think of the amount of submissions people need to sift threw, hell you might have not got in do to the person doing it just being in a bad mood on the day yours came in.
@passerby - by all means, I agree with you. I love most of the items / ideas that people like Svdl and Spark and NeoDement, Ronin, etc. make and am totally happy with them being rewarded - I'm solely wondering if at one point it'll boil down to renown driving the probability, as people will go "Oh my god! You're the guy who made everything! 'Course I'll vote for this!" - but this is purely speculation; I could be completely wrong, only time will tell.
@passerby - by all means, I agree with you. I love most of the items / ideas that people like Svdl and Spark and NeoDement, Ronin, etc. make and am totally happy with them being rewarded - I'm solely wondering if at one point it'll boil down to renown driving the probability, as people will go "Oh my god! You're the guy who made everything! 'Course I'll vote for this!" - but this is purely speculation; I could be completely wrong, only time will tell.
im sure it could be a time things too, if you got thousands of models to go threw, to add to the game, what would you rather do look at them all slowly 1 at a time, or just filter my submitter and type in a name of someone who as made good ones before.
not ideal but someone has the ultra tedious job of choosing what goes in, so really the best you can do is try to make it eye catching, and make it easy ti implement, like already have compiled files and shaders right so they can just drop it in the game more or less.
so if you make something to submit, go all out on it, and make proper shaders and even do LOD's since it seems valve has been attempting to optimize.
@aivanov
you have a very good point there... again, no offense to ANYONE who's gotten a ton of stuff in (believe me when I say, you deserve all the praise you get), but I totally see that happening. luckily, Valve still has the final say.
I actually think that Spore had a GREAT system for stuff like this. Everything you create would be uploaded to a different category (in TF2's case, Hats, Weapons, Maps, etc.). You'd be able to name it, describe it, and add tags if you want. Add a 1-10 ratings system and a comments section for feedback and suggestions. And they could have it all hosted on one site. The main page could show random/newest uploads, but you could switch it to display things like the top-rated, or oldest. Toss in a search box (has anyone used my idea? has anyone made a hat that I want to see in the game? is there a map based on X?) and you're good to go.
*sigh* Well, I guess I'll submit my better items to this new system. Apparently Valve can give feedback, so at least then I'll know why they're rejecting my submissions.
At the moment I'm pretty depressed. I heard there was an update with 30 community items, I all but assumed that something of mine had made it in.
@eedobaba7726, why would you get upset about it, make models have fun doing it, and maybe you might get something in maybe you wont, which isnt really a loss, since you can keep it for a portfolio piece.
@eedobaba7726, why would you get upset about it, make models have fun doing it, and maybe you might get something in maybe you wont, which isnt really a loss, since you can keep it for a portfolio piece.
I have fun modeling as much as anyone, and I'm sure these TF2 items would be good filler for a portfolio. But I'm also hoping to at some point make *some* amount of money. I'm going to have to pay for college in the next few years, so any extra cash from this would be a lifesaving windfall.
Congrats to the people who got their items in! It's an inspiration to us who didn't.. x]. Anyone tried the new item testing thing? I don't know anyone who can get into tf2 yet..
Congrats to the people who got their items in! It's an inspiration to us who didn't.. x]. Anyone tried the new item testing thing? I don't know anyone who can get into tf2 yet..
I took a look at it's documentation. Apparently they're enforcing multiple LODs on every submission now.
lol. Not... really?
I guess I'm just too good at optimizing meshes. Most of my submissions are really as low as you can go. Some of my weapons are lower than the reccomended polycount for hats.
Ah yes, itemtest wizard, what a reasonable place to put my hat model.
EDIT
Yeah, I have no IDEA how people are using Steamworks. Everytime I try to comiple with this thing, it puts the hat in the wrong place, the hat isn't using it's spec map, and it isn't even using diffuse shading. This wizard is a complete mess, and I can't figure out how to submit without using it. I'm guessing that everyone who's submitted models at this point did it manually, because the wizard certainly doesn't work.
This Steam Workshop is definitely one of my favourite updates. Now I can finally do more than just posting "OMG awesome" on a forum. Of course, I've ended up voting for nearly everything which doesn't really help. Except the vibrator...
EDIT: Maybe I take that back. How do people not realise it's for submitting models and not photos with unbalanced stat suggestions?
@Pogo: Thanks a bunch for that page! Definitely bookmarked for future reference!
The workshop idea is a good idea in theory, but as it stands, I can't even figure out how to submit something, which somewhat angers me. But I don't plan to submit many things until I finish up on my pack. It definitely needs some refining. needs more scrap metal
On the topic of my pack, heres a quick render of something I've been working on, as a Spy Knife.
Using this as a point of reference for the knife, I've begun work on the Scorpio (name pending), a knife that will work hopefully as outlandish as the design itself!
What I'm really looking for here is comments on the model itself. This is the first time I've designed in the high poly, and I'm only using this model for the bake and the AO. I'll work on the LODs and refining the lowpoly after I finish, to get a good idea on where I'm at now.
edit: Finished up the high poly. I think I'll be done for the night. Hope to finish up the low poly and bake everything tomorrow/over the weekend
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That's my item that got in.
Congrats to everyone who got in though.
Check the item list
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god dammit Valve, RIGHT when I start making refined and stuff back, you drop THIS...
and now I need the Hot Dog Hat, the Sniper Rambo Hair, the Pyro's Conscious, the Peg Leg, the Heavy Rambo Hair, the Medic Stethescope.... the Hot Dog Hat... and there's probably like 20 other things I'm going to have to trade for/craft/hunt down...
and we need a poster of baby Saxton retrieving the confetti from the bear.
EDIT: *checks item list*
"and now I just gotta wait for the pictures to lo-"
*NOISEMAKER- VUVUZELA*
"*sigh* god dammit Valve... I'll go get my wallet..."
EDIT 2- ELECTRIC BOOGALOO:
*One Man Army and Your Worst Nightmare are literally the same hat, but count as seperate items*
"DAMMIT VALVE! it's the same hat! why didn't you just make it the same hat, but equippable for both Sniper and Heavy? it doesn't matter if the models are different, just look at the Team Captain! why did you do thi-"
*sees Hot Dogger*
"all is forgiven."
I don't think I'll make any more items for tf2 if it's this impossible to get in.
I got two weapons in - they have no unique stats, despite being part of a set.
However I got 7 items in in total so I REALLY can't complain.
4...3...2...
how is that skewed or a issue, those people are getting there items cause they are consistently coming up with good ideas, and executing the ideas well.
you could re-submit, it could have got lost in the stack, problem is if everyone starts submitting multiple times your no better off.
just think of the amount of submissions people need to sift threw, hell you might have not got in do to the person doing it just being in a bad mood on the day yours came in.
I've made 46 items in 7 months. There's still hope for you man.
im sure it could be a time things too, if you got thousands of models to go threw, to add to the game, what would you rather do look at them all slowly 1 at a time, or just filter my submitter and type in a name of someone who as made good ones before.
not ideal but someone has the ultra tedious job of choosing what goes in, so really the best you can do is try to make it eye catching, and make it easy ti implement, like already have compiled files and shaders right so they can just drop it in the game more or less.
so if you make something to submit, go all out on it, and make proper shaders and even do LOD's since it seems valve has been attempting to optimize.
If there is going to be player voting and whatnot and they don't see anything you already submitted then it's a must.
you have a very good point there... again, no offense to ANYONE who's gotten a ton of stuff in (believe me when I say, you deserve all the praise you get), but I totally see that happening. luckily, Valve still has the final say.
I actually think that Spore had a GREAT system for stuff like this. Everything you create would be uploaded to a different category (in TF2's case, Hats, Weapons, Maps, etc.). You'd be able to name it, describe it, and add tags if you want. Add a 1-10 ratings system and a comments section for feedback and suggestions. And they could have it all hosted on one site. The main page could show random/newest uploads, but you could switch it to display things like the top-rated, or oldest. Toss in a search box (has anyone used my idea? has anyone made a hat that I want to see in the game? is there a map based on X?) and you're good to go.
At the moment I'm pretty depressed. I heard there was an update with 30 community items, I all but assumed that something of mine had made it in.
I have fun modeling as much as anyone, and I'm sure these TF2 items would be good filler for a portfolio. But I'm also hoping to at some point make *some* amount of money. I'm going to have to pay for college in the next few years, so any extra cash from this would be a lifesaving windfall.
now if i can only get my tf2 to update.....
I guess this also means that the tool for making MDL files they mentioned way back is here too.
I took a look at it's documentation. Apparently they're enforcing multiple LODs on every submission now.
LOD's are really easy to make, so just make some up and re-submit your stuff.
lol. Not... really?
I guess I'm just too good at optimizing meshes. Most of my submissions are really as low as you can go. Some of my weapons are lower than the reccomended polycount for hats.
I tested the workshop system, that's pretty cool : http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=53
@Cbast nice i rated it up for ya.
Decisions decisions: sleep, or work on tf2 items...>_<
i doubt i will ever use that, i got maya rigged up pretty good for exporting to source now, even recompiles my QC on export.
....how do you make lods? Just lower the vertices and recompile?
optimize the mesh, by removing edges and verts, just be carfull to no break the UV layout.
export it out as a new SMD.
than you got to declare it in your QC file, something like this
//LOD 1 $lod 10 { replacemodel "reference.smd" "lod1.smd" } //LOD 2 $lod 20 { replacemodel "reference.smd" "lod2.smd" }EDIT
Yeah, I have no IDEA how people are using Steamworks. Everytime I try to comiple with this thing, it puts the hat in the wrong place, the hat isn't using it's spec map, and it isn't even using diffuse shading. This wizard is a complete mess, and I can't figure out how to submit without using it. I'm guessing that everyone who's submitted models at this point did it manually, because the wizard certainly doesn't work.
EDIT: Maybe I take that back. How do people not realise it's for submitting models and not photos with unbalanced stat suggestions?
The workshop idea is a good idea in theory, but as it stands, I can't even figure out how to submit something, which somewhat angers me. But I don't plan to submit many things until I finish up on my pack. It definitely needs some refining. needs more scrap metal
On the topic of my pack, heres a quick render of something I've been working on, as a Spy Knife.
Using this as a point of reference for the knife, I've begun work on the Scorpio (name pending), a knife that will work hopefully as outlandish as the design itself!
What I'm really looking for here is comments on the model itself. This is the first time I've designed in the high poly, and I'm only using this model for the bake and the AO. I'll work on the LODs and refining the lowpoly after I finish, to get a good idea on where I'm at now.
edit: Finished up the high poly. I think I'll be done for the night. Hope to finish up the low poly and bake everything tomorrow/over the weekend