It's loosely based on the Browning Auto-5 shotgun, with many of the shapes exagerated and a drum magazine built in. The magazine would've been centred if there hadn't been a load of obvious clipping errors. It's currently missing the fine details so they'll be next. The texture and UVs are just a quick and dirty basecolours thing for testing.
I've got a new-found respect for the guys who had a go at replacing the scattergun in the contest...it's got all sorts of size and positioning restraints, and it has to look like it has a high damage output without being too big...my hat goes off to you guys!
@Pierate: Is the shell in the correct place when you look at just the weapon?
Cool scatter gun! I really like the ammo canister but have you tried it on the other side of the weapon? It'd add a lot more visual interest to the first person view. Also that hand gaurd looks kind of strange in my opinion. Maybe you could try out some different widths or styles to make it a more defining feature of the gun or just remove it altogether.
It currently has just a hack of the original trigger area, I need to build my own. I'm contemplating building multiple versions of this (e.g. one without the pump lever) but for the moment it has to be there to be compliant with the existing animations and give me an idea of limitations for them.
I agree that having the drum on the right makes the first person view a little plain (at least without detailing) but it's an unfortunate limitation of how the scattergun is held and operated - if the drum is even just centred it'll simply clip noticabely into his palm and you'll be staring at that error the entire time you use the gun. If I mirrored the current setup it would go right through his wrist. I'll probably have another play around with the positioning next time I work on it so there might still be a way of dealing with it.
i like the look of the drum on the right side, if it was in the center, or on the left it would look to similar the scatter gun i think. on the normal scatter gun the shells eject from the right side, you simply switch add a slot on the left side or top of the gun, where the shells could eject for more visual interest. and all you have to do is re-locate the joint that spawns the particle effect to the left side and rotate it 180 degrees.
i also feel that the stock and iron sights are kinda bland as it is right now.
Currently it has too many unnecessary details however.
You don't need that many spikes, and I don't think overly pointy things fit the TF2 theme all too well.
If you eventually want Valve to accept this as a community contribution, I would also recommend making it cover his face less.
It is likely that hats that covers or clips with the misc items is not going to be accepted by Valve.
Please use this as a reference if you plan to fix this later on. http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Whiskered_gentleman
The number of spikes was taken from the image I used as a reference for this style of dragon head. Thought about replacing all of the spikes with a 'fan' of 2D polys, and then using a transparent texture to lay on the spikes. (like the feathers in previous indian head-dresses) Have not attempted it, because I am not entirely sure how to do it... yet. That would also significantly take the polycount down as well. :thumbup:
Maybe I should submit this as a misc. item instead of a hat. It would be easier to make it not clip with the current hats than anything facial. Making room for the 'Whiskered Gentleman' (or especially the iPod ear buds) would virtually destroy the entire mask as-is. Otherwise, I might as well pack it in now, and quit while its a head.
JoshuaC: Looking fantastic man, although I prefer your original darker color scheme :P
Elbagast: Great aswell, imo it looks better than both of Valve's scatterguns, hope it gets in-game soon But I agree on moving the drum canister to the left or middle side, would probably be easier to make reload animations for it that way as well.
@AAA_battery: A new trigger guard/lever would probably make the rear section look a lot better, the gun it's based on also has bits of mechanism poking out the sides so that may be something to look into (maybe even linking bits to the lever bone). As for the shell ejection, the scout holds the gun to his chest to pump it so they'd fly into his chest/face if they came from the left, though moving it to sit on the top/right would probably work. Other than that, detailing just generally needs work.
Regarding your mask, the shapes of the filters make it seem a little modern, a quick search turned up one shot of confirmed older style dust masks and the filters are all circular (same shapes as the Pyro's). Your call though.
@a gentlman: Thanks, I will be looking into the drum postitioning again, so it'll come down to what I feel I can get away with.
Part 2 includes a collage image of the Tier 3 WIP. It's coming along nicely I think. Tier 4 will be a bit overkill but that's what I'm planning on once I get Tier 3 finished. I don't want to say too much about it, it's that fun!
Looking great n88tr, but I have a few suggestions. It's looking a bit futuristic. Maybe you could make it seem more steampunk and built out of locomotive train parts or something? The general detail on most of the shapes definitely looks too futuristic though.
Also I'd advise against small engravings like that since they'll either look bad on a low resolution texture or they'll need too high of a resolution texture to be acceptable.
Looks good but I'm not sure that it'd be extremely noticeable in game.
hmm good point.. not sure what to do about that..
was thinking maybe attatch a particle effect and stealing a line from the gold wrench..
infused with ancient power or something *shrug* not sure how to go about it tho or if it would suck :poly142:..
hmm good point.. not sure what to do about that..
was thinking maybe attatch a particle effect and stealing a line from the gold wrench..
infused with ancient power or something *shrug* not sure how to go about it tho or if it would suck :poly142:..
any other suggestions?
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How about just making the rope longer so it's closer to his chest, would be easier to see, red-on-gray is easier to see than gray-on-white. Also, you could make it a little whiter and yellow-y at the bottom, like this
Looking great n88tr, but I have a few suggestions. It's looking a bit futuristic. Maybe you could make it seem more steampunk and built out of locomotive train parts or something? The general detail on most of the shapes definitely looks too futuristic though.
Also I'd advise against small engravings like that since they'll either look bad on a low resolution texture or they'll need too high of a resolution texture to be acceptable.
It's too far along to change the major parts I think but I like your suggestion!
I agree some shapes are too small like in the back where it connects with the cables and stuff, sort of weak-looking. I can fix that as time goes on. I was trying to move away from a straight-up copy of the Tier 3 sentry in TF2.
The engravings I'm doing for fun again, just to see what they'd look like.
Thanks for the love. Tier 3 is still a WIP and is coming along nicely. Once it's done, Tier 4 will be my next objective.
The number of spikes was taken from the image I used as a reference for this style of dragon head. Thought about replacing all of the spikes with a 'fan' of 2D polys, and then using a transparent texture to lay on the spikes. (like the feathers in previous indian head-dresses) Have not attempted it, because I am not entirely sure how to do it... yet. That would also significantly take the polycount down as well. :thumbup:
Maybe I should submit this as a misc. item instead of a hat. It would be easier to make it not clip with the current hats than anything facial. Making room for the 'Whiskered Gentleman' (or especially the iPod ear buds) would virtually destroy the entire mask as-is. Otherwise, I might as well pack it in now, and quit while its a head.
If you make it a misc item instead of a hat, then You'd have to make it not cover his head as they probably wouldn't want it to clip with the hat. Making it both at the same time is most likely out of the question.
tex_cookiedough- I love the Croc's Teeth necklace! Could you possibly link me to a site that teaches how to import into the model viewer and make jiggle bones?
I feel like more TF2 players need misc items, right now there is pretty much only the camera beard.
Great job!
Very nice work. Did you change the greyed part from the last time? I feel that it was a lot brighter, but it looks much better this time for some reason. Did I read you say you made that in Blender somewhere?
shorter chain is a bit more noticable in game (not quite as hidden by collar etc) but the longer also has pretty good visability in game.. which do you guys prefer.. or is there another alternative i could explore?
tex_cookie: I'd like to see how it looks at around scout dog-tag level although out of the two I prefer the longer one. Also, these necklaces often have red/brown leather wrappings at the end, it might look better with that.
shorter chain is a bit more noticable in game (not quite as hidden by collar etc) but the longer also has pretty good visability in game.. which do you guys prefer.. or is there another alternative i could explore?
Definetly the longer one, and make one of the tooth broken and fixed with duck-tape. Ow.. and maybe a human tooth
@a gentlman - the actual necklace is around the same length as the scouts.. i've made it about as long as it can go before clipping starts to become something that happens a lot :P
@sharkisss - heres a chipped tooth, not too sure about it..
also below.. a comparison between tooth belt and necklace.. the belt clearly looks more dangerous..
heres what i came up with, personally i think the sharper ones look better but the texture is still what im stuck on
also a quick vid of the final positioning / jigglyness
And some color variation (yellow/brown) on the teeth is nice too, but I'm not too sure on the black, just doesn't seem like a natural tooth. Some blood on the tip is cool too.
Try to make the textures on each tooth use more than one color too, on the left pic each tooth is colored differently but it's just one color, try adding some patterns as seen on the brown tooth under no.3
I'm modeling a bomb cart much like the one found in TF2 (in that style of course). I don't feel that it warrants a topic of it's own, but I do have a question for you good people.
How would I go about creating a band (something that ties it down) around the cart like is found on the sandman or paintrain?
I'm modeling a bomb cart much like the one found in TF2 (in that style of course). I don't feel that it warrants a topic of it's own, but I do have a question for you good people.
How would I go about creating a band (something that ties it down) around the cart like is found on the sandman or paintrain?
First add some photos of the cart, then ask what it needs
Going to mess around with stripe pattern variations tomorrow and adding stars or some other symbol along the stripes. If anyone has some sort of Scottish symbol they think would work well please tell me about it. I couldn't find anything reasonable in my searches.
Right now working on some really fast models to get my mind off of this thing for now
looks nice dude, it looks to me like theres a lot of edge loops you could lose (ie on the barrels, smaller cylinders, rocket launcher etc) to get that tricount down, optimization shouldent be too diffucult a task but yeh entirely up to you what you do.
Going to mess around with stripe pattern variations tomorrow and adding stars or some other symbol along the stripes. If anyone has some sort of Scottish symbol they think would work well please tell me about it. I couldn't find anything reasonable in my searches.
For the Scottish symbol I suggest the icon on the demomans bottle
And I also think that you should make one of the helmet sides scratched, burned, shot or smashed (make an illusion that it was used alot)
Here are two designs I whipped up real quick. Tell me which one you like better. Right now I'm leaning towards the X a bit since it's linked to Scotland.
Going to do some stripe variations and maybe a few variations of the X design now.
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It's loosely based on the Browning Auto-5 shotgun, with many of the shapes exagerated and a drum magazine built in. The magazine would've been centred if there hadn't been a load of obvious clipping errors. It's currently missing the fine details so they'll be next. The texture and UVs are just a quick and dirty basecolours thing for testing.
I've got a new-found respect for the guys who had a go at replacing the scattergun in the contest...it's got all sorts of size and positioning restraints, and it has to look like it has a high damage output without being too big...my hat goes off to you guys!
@Pierate: Is the shell in the correct place when you look at just the weapon?
@Zipfinator: mmmm nice and smooooth there
I agree that having the drum on the right makes the first person view a little plain (at least without detailing) but it's an unfortunate limitation of how the scattergun is held and operated - if the drum is even just centred it'll simply clip noticabely into his palm and you'll be staring at that error the entire time you use the gun. If I mirrored the current setup it would go right through his wrist. I'll probably have another play around with the positioning next time I work on it so there might still be a way of dealing with it.
i also feel that the stock and iron sights are kinda bland as it is right now.
The number of spikes was taken from the image I used as a reference for this style of dragon head. Thought about replacing all of the spikes with a 'fan' of 2D polys, and then using a transparent texture to lay on the spikes. (like the feathers in previous indian head-dresses) Have not attempted it, because I am not entirely sure how to do it... yet. That would also significantly take the polycount down as well. :thumbup:
Maybe I should submit this as a misc. item instead of a hat. It would be easier to make it not clip with the current hats than anything facial. Making room for the 'Whiskered Gentleman' (or especially the iPod ear buds) would virtually destroy the entire mask as-is. Otherwise, I might as well pack it in now, and quit while its a head.
Elbagast: Great aswell, imo it looks better than both of Valve's scatterguns, hope it gets in-game soon
does it make the engy look a little to creepy?
Edit: this project has been scraped.
Regarding your mask, the shapes of the filters make it seem a little modern, a quick search turned up one shot of confirmed older style dust masks and the filters are all circular (same shapes as the Pyro's). Your call though.
@a gentlman: Thanks, I will be looking into the drum postitioning again, so it'll come down to what I feel I can get away with.
Part 2 includes a collage image of the Tier 3 WIP. It's coming along nicely I think. Tier 4 will be a bit overkill but that's what I'm planning on once I get Tier 3 finished. I don't want to say too much about it, it's that fun!
Full Image: http://cahemdue.net/images/TF2StyleSentries_WipTier3_1.png
How many polys are that anyway :P?
Also I'd advise against small engravings like that since they'll either look bad on a low resolution texture or they'll need too high of a resolution texture to be acceptable.
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so yeh lookin for crits here =p
oh yeh umm.. less than 600 tris
has jigglebones (as seen in video.. also phong is in vid lol) incase you dont wanna watch it
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hmm good point.. not sure what to do about that..
was thinking maybe attatch a particle effect and stealing a line from the gold wrench..
infused with ancient power or something *shrug* not sure how to go about it tho or if it would suck :poly142:..
any other suggestions?
:poly134:
How about just making the rope longer so it's closer to his chest, would be easier to see, red-on-gray is easier to see than gray-on-white. Also, you could make it a little whiter and yellow-y at the bottom, like this
Yeah the middle box needs work. Didn't I call this a WIP?? Well it is...
Polycount is pretty high, it's just a nice high poly model for fun. Not designed to go anywhere.
It's too far along to change the major parts I think but I like your suggestion!
I agree some shapes are too small like in the back where it connects with the cables and stuff, sort of weak-looking. I can fix that as time goes on. I was trying to move away from a straight-up copy of the Tier 3 sentry in TF2.
The engravings I'm doing for fun again, just to see what they'd look like.
Thanks for the love. Tier 3 is still a WIP and is coming along nicely. Once it's done, Tier 4 will be my next objective.
If you make it a misc item instead of a hat, then You'd have to make it not cover his head as they probably wouldn't want it to clip with the hat. Making it both at the same time is most likely out of the question.
I feel like more TF2 players need misc items, right now there is pretty much only the camera beard.
Great job!
Loving the work here! I seriously doubt that the next contribute pack will be as rubbish as the last one.
Very nice work. Did you change the greyed part from the last time? I feel that it was a lot brighter, but it looks much better this time for some reason. Did I read you say you made that in Blender somewhere?
ps: JoshuaC - im loving the shotgun / rifle thing it looks great
Some ingame shots.
shorter chain is a bit more noticable in game (not quite as hidden by collar etc) but the longer also has pretty good visability in game.. which do you guys prefer.. or is there another alternative i could explore?
@cookiedough: I prefer the longer chain, shorter one looks kinda weird
Pretty much done modeling on this thing:
Note that I made a few minor changes after these screens, I just didnt feel like getting new ones :shifty:
Pierate & JoshuaC: Looks great guys :P
Now just the textures in proper way
before you call it done you might want to try and smooth out the polys on the back some. looks good though.
Definetly the longer one, and make one of the tooth broken and fixed with duck-tape. Ow.. and maybe a human tooth
@a gentlman - the actual necklace is around the same length as the scouts.. i've made it about as long as it can go before clipping starts to become something that happens a lot :P
@sharkisss - heres a chipped tooth, not too sure about it..
also below.. a comparison between tooth belt and necklace.. the belt clearly looks more dangerous..
heres what i came up with, personally i think the sharper ones look better but the texture is still what im stuck on
also a quick vid of the final positioning / jigglyness
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mostly just the texture causing unease now.. thoughts?
You guys are really good!
Everything made, and rendered, in blender.
Try it this way. Dont make all the teeth the same color. Edit them like this:
1. Leave the middle tooth the way it is.
2. Make two of them more yellow (like this)
3. Maybe try to make one more brown
4. And maybe some black teeth
5. Or some bloody teeth
6. And last but not least make the handle of the tooth made from leather
And some color variation (yellow/brown) on the teeth is nice too, but I'm not too sure on the black, just doesn't seem like a natural tooth. Some blood on the tip is cool too.
Try to make the textures on each tooth use more than one color too, on the left pic each tooth is colored differently but it's just one color, try adding some patterns as seen on the brown tooth under no.3
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I have a thread on this here
might need a project reset...
Right now working on some really fast models to get my mind off of this thing for now
EEK indeed! Looks awesome, but there's way too much detail and (you must already know this) the tri limit for sentries is 10k
How would I go about creating a band (something that ties it down) around the cart like is found on the sandman or paintrain?
First add some photos of the cart, then ask what it needs
Going to mess around with stripe pattern variations tomorrow and adding stars or some other symbol along the stripes. If anyone has some sort of Scottish symbol they think would work well please tell me about it. I couldn't find anything reasonable in my searches.
looks nice dude, it looks to me like theres a lot of edge loops you could lose (ie on the barrels, smaller cylinders, rocket launcher etc) to get that tricount down, optimization shouldent be too diffucult a task but yeh entirely up to you what you do.
good luck (y)
For the Scottish symbol I suggest the icon on the demomans bottle
And I also think that you should make one of the helmet sides scratched, burned, shot or smashed (make an illusion that it was used alot)
Going to do some stripe variations and maybe a few variations of the X design now.