Pierce Brosnan - "Goodbye 007"
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Just saw this earlier this morning.
MI6 report on recent magazine interview
I'm definitly disappointed about it, but at the same time he was starting to show his age in the last film. I think a fifth film with him would have made that easily apparent. One more, and I think he would have had that 'creepy old' look to him, when he's bagging bond girls left and right.
At least he's out with a bang.
MI6 report on recent magazine interview
I'm definitly disappointed about it, but at the same time he was starting to show his age in the last film. I think a fifth film with him would have made that easily apparent. One more, and I think he would have had that 'creepy old' look to him, when he's bagging bond girls left and right.
At least he's out with a bang.
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I think my views are clear enough that I dont need to vote.
pierce brosnan was the best bond and anyone who thinks different can suck my P99...
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(1) Connery
(2) Moore
(3) Dalton
(4) Brosnan
(5) Lazenby
Oh, and I couldn't decide between Connery and Moore, so I voted Moore because he needs the support!! xD
+ Yeah baby, I'ma vertex!
and connery is bond.
Speaking of this, whom they replace Brosnan with is less important to me than where they take the sereis from here. Things have become so vanilla and generic in the series that even the recent titles fail to be compelling; "Die Another Day" and "Tomorrow Never Dies" are so dull, and I'm still irked that they wasted the title "The World Is Not Enough" on a film that was not explictly about Bond, his history and/or family. The days of legitimately interesting plots and memorable foes have been thoroughly replaced by gratuitous explosions, overwrought guest appearances (rememebr when Bond girls were relative unknowns?) and inexcusably whored product placements. Here's hoping (hah!) that the next generation of Bond films can find greatness instead of regurgitating the current tired and uninspired formula.
I agree too, that it's about time for a "non gimmicky" more spy oriented Bond film, like "For Your Eyes Only", "The Living Daylights" or even "From Russia With Love"
The last film was more about Mrs.Bond and her incompetant husband... plus, when Bond has americans looking superior to brits... you know its not bond anymore.
I've read that Connery WAS that way, he used to punch the stunt doubles for real even. It's interesting reading finding out about how bond all came about from book to film to selecting Connery and so on.
I figure you're right about Connery; he likely wasn't doing much acting in his films, and that's why he seems so over the top sometimes.
As for whos next, yeah fellow Scot Dougray Scott has been in the running, but then again so have quite a few others. Most of it has been heresay and rumour. Personally I think Clive Owen might be worth a shot, but would probably need to toughen up a bit. He was convincing in the BMW films stuff, but then the acting was hardly challenging stuff. Still, the same could be said for the Bond role. Im not the least bit
What made his movies slightly poorer was the direction and writing. The villans just haven't been as interesting lately it seems, nor have the bond girls. I also agree about the Aston Martin, although in the last one didn't he drive an Aston Martin Vanquish?
Speaking of this, whom they replace Brosnan with is less important to me than where they take the sereis from here. Things have become so vanilla and generic in the series that even the recent titles fail to be compelling; "Die Another Day" and "Tomorrow Never Dies" are so dull, and I'm still irked that they wasted the title "The World Is Not Enough" on a film that was not explictly about Bond, his history and/or family. The days of legitimately interesting plots and memorable foes have been thoroughly replaced by gratuitous explosions, overwrought guest appearances (rememebr when Bond girls were relative unknowns?) and inexcusably whored product placements. Here's hoping (hah!) that the next generation of Bond films can find greatness instead of regurgitating the current tired and uninspired formula.
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Thank god somebody agrees with me on this. It seems like recent James Bond films have focused only on dousing the movie with special effects, James Bond cliches, and "omg flashy gadjits lolleroo."
Imo, Goldeneye was the best James Bond movie. It was a perfect mix of action, dreariness, and crime.
I liked that, it rings true to me and I'll always have a giggle knowing that the most dynamic onscreen portrayal of english charm and sophistication has a Scotland Forever tattoo under that white shirt.
It is kinda funny though. ( particularly for me in the middle of a half English, half Scottish family! ) Theres many a time in his movies where he gets to say, or Moneypenny gets to say 'For England....' and I always wondered what he felt about saying that. It always struck me as weird that they at least didnt use the term 'Britain'. But anyway, I suspect what your thoughts are on the concept of Britain as a united nation anyway Ror ;-)
I was watching one of his movies the other day. I forget which one, but its just before he kills a guy by throwing him in a bathtub and an electric fire in after him. Anyway, moments before, Bond is mid snogging a Bond chick, and he catches an assailant in the reflection of her eye. As the guy lunges at him with blunt weapon, Bond spins around and uses the girl as a shield and she gets whacked on the head out cold!
Pure Connery!
Sundance, no you can suck my p99. No way in hell is the best bond, nor will he ever.
On the subject of new Bonds, I really do like Clive Owen, but I don't know that he'd be right in the role. He comes across as a bit too blue collar to me, without that sort of polished upper-class air that Bond has (you can be a working class guy sipping martinis and gambling on roulette spins, I guess, but it's a bit of a stretch in this role). Also, Owen is already 40. While he's still a decade younger than Brosnan, I wonder if MGM might not want someone they can get more mileage out of. On the other hand, I've also heard Jason Statham's name linked to the role as well, so perhaps older is better... *shudder*. As an interesting geek sidenote, Clive Owen did the voice work for the main character in Privateer 2, way back in 1995 and will play Dwight in the upcoming Sin City movie - pretty cool.
Daz, if you should ever happen to have confirmed insider info on who the next Bond actor will be, I hearby authorize you to email me. Top Secret, of course
In my opinion, I rank Connery, Moore and Brosnan all at equal levels of Bond-ness, just for different reasons. They all fit the role, I don't think any of them are "definitive" though.
Dalton was good, but not quite right for some reason ... possibly TOO serious and poker-faced.
Lazenby was just god-awful ("There are... people out there!").
I'll be interested to see who they pick next. Dougray Scott might turn out to be a pretty good Bond.
You know we're in trouble if they pick Hugh Grant... hahahah!
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I always laughed when he said ' The things I do for England'
I think he was happy to play bond as due to his upbringing he had to be taught how to talk and act like a gentleman before he could assume the role properly and his obsession about not feeling safe until he was a millionaire probably made it easy to utter whatever was required of him ...'The things I do for Connery' and so on.
I like Connery a lot, he has always tried to be himself, never allowed them to hide who he is, has proudly represented himself as a scotsman wherever he has gone and I respect that.
Verm: as you say, good to have common ground. I agree about Owen, hes got his moments but he's no bond.I really enjoyed him in The Croupier.
As far as Dalton as Bond goes, I think he was a perfect choice, but he got screwed because of the legal battles over the Bond franchise that were going on. Only two movies in I don't know how many years. He finally had to just leave and move on.
I really have always like Moore. His Bond movies to me have either been quintessential or total dogs. I took exception that in some movies he had way too much fun with the character. Still Roger had some of the best cold blooded, license to kill, kills. (LTKK)
The best LTKK for me was Connery in "Dr. No" the Smith and Wesson you've had your six shots line, but Moore would solidly remind you that he would kill too. In "For Your Eyes Only" when he kicked that assholes car off the cliff and in "The Spy Who Loved Me" when the fat cuy was hanging onto his tie on the side of the building. But the absolute best Moore-Bond killing was in what I consider one of the absolute worst Bond movies. "Moonraker" When they went out bird hunting and they had the sniper up in the tree to kill Bond. He took his shot at the bird and the bad guy said "You missed" and Bond said something like "Really?" and the sniper fell out of the tree! I love that seen, but detest (somewhat, it is Bond after all) the movie.
Incidentally, I have not seen "Die Another Day" yet. I don't know why, I just have not seen it yet which seems strange to me.
I wouldnt waste your time Dukester! Honestly I thought it was shockingly bad.
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I will heed your advice, but at some time I'm sure I will see it!
Somehow having Halle Berry play in it reminds me of the Heather Graham character as the American secret agent in the second Austin Powers movie.
In Autsin Powers...good.
In a Bond film...bad!
Certainly Statham and indeed surely even Connerys roots are substantially more blue collar than Owen?! I think you might think of Owen as being blue collar because he doesnt tend to disguise his roots accent wise, but I think hes actually a posh lad really
But yeah urgh, Stathams cockney accent and thuggish demeanour as Bond?! Nah wouldnt be right mate!
connery was good in goldfinger, thunderball and you only live twice.
dalton was ok, but needed to do a third to really settle into the role
lazenby was utter shit 'this never happened to the other fella' W...T...F..?
brosnan had connery's machismo, dalton's seriousness, a hint of moore's comedy and his own irish charm.
Daz - I was under the impression that Northern Ireland was British too?
So far there has been a Scotsman,an Englishman, an Aussie, another Englishman, a welshman, and an Irishman. I reckon the Isle of Man is due a go.
Off-topic: But do English accents always sound weird, yet American sounds normal in films? I'm asking as an Englishman to another.. (as it's pretty much set with Americans). But you never get that normal feel unless it's an English film, like Layer Cake.
Niven, now Niven was a great Bond.
And yes Frosty, you should try and catch them when they are on.
Thought it's interesting how many Moore-lovers there are here. I read that Moore was quite clumsy in real life, for example, when he enter's Moneypenny's office and tosses the hat on the rack, he never could do it. he tried many, many times until finally having to have a separate shot where it is thrown off camera.
Much like the Three Stooge's Moe's uncanny ability at pie-aiming, Connery landed his hat by himself, everytime.
As I understand it The 'United Kingdom' encompasses Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So technically Northern Ireland is not part of Britain, but it is part of the U.K. Perhaps Ive just been living amongst Californians too long so my geo-polticial knowledge beyond the State has gone out the window. But I dunno, youre the native you tell me. If I I got it wrong apologies.
thnom: Er, no
you're all just jealous cos england has the best football, rugby and cricket teams
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"football" aka soccer.
The thing is Verm, you bring up an amusing point about the border. If you were to walk across the border from a provincial Scottish town into a provincial English one ( or vice versa of course ), the people, their culture ( and no, Im not talking about their inherited national identity culture like bagpipes. Im talking about modern culture, 'Pop' culture ), their everyday lives and what they like and dislike, the business they go about, is pretty much exactly the fricking same. It just seems petty and non progressive to me.
Im back in SF now, my stint in LA wasnt permanent. But hell yes, those two cities and cultures are worlds apart and theyre in the same bloody State.
I see what you're saying, but my living abroad has over the years has made me realise that actually, people are the same everywhere. Some just talk funnier than others. Where I work and live, there is such a wealth of different people, cultures, nations that when I hear people talking to me now, Im not even conscious of what accent theyre saying it in anymore. Just wether or not theyre making any sense
Gosh, a bit of a diversion from 007! :]
Yay!
Oh, yeah - good job, KMan
It's easy to sit on high and dispense with reason and say you are bored. The facts of the matter are that the Union of Crowns was established upon Blackmail and corruption and rigged to ensure that Scotland had a representative percentage of 1/6 the parliament it was meant to have an equal share in.
This 'rigged game of cards' was England's first step putting Scotland through the wringer and essentially fucking up our economy and sharing its debts with us and ensuring we've spent the time since then as 2nd class citizens in terms of Education, Trade, Health and pretty much every other medium with which you may choose to measure equality.
England used the same tactic also when it came to 'the irish problem' also. What England couldnt take by force they took by backstabbing, bribery and cooersion.
I'm sorry that I'm literally at you throat here in response to you light , off the hand dismisal of the situation. I appreciate that you were not looking to cause offense.
But I can't stand your attitude of 'I dont really know the full facts but it doesnt really affect me, im tired of half listening to the facts, can't we just move on as it was a long time ago' as its so bloody common and it infuriates me becuase I HAVE read up on the facts more and more as I have gotten older.
The sooner Scotland and Ireland break free of the imperial yoke of England the better imo.
And as for your worldview of things being the same on each side of the border... yeah right!
While Newcastle is pretty similar to Scotland, the further south into england you go the greater the difference until it becomes profound. Afterall, if its not London and the surroundeding communities, its not really England as far as parliament is concerned.
Ach, I've said too much already. You touched a nerve, I'm halfway through reading up on the Scottish Insurrection of 1820 and its just another in a long line of books that contains more facts about the history between england and scotland that cause revulsion in me.
For the americans reading. Think back to your war of Independance with England, if your own countrymen had been bribed and threatened into selling you out and you had spent the ensuing years having all your heros executed as traitors for trying to fight for freedom.... if thats how it was for you, then you would be Scottish , or Irish.
While America was fighting its war of independance, the French were going through their revolution and both Scotland and Ireland were inspired to the ideal of republicanism but both countries efforts were repeatedly infiltrated by english paid spies that sold us out.
Imo, the struggle for independance is still ongoing for Scotland & Ireland and I hope we win free sooner rather than later.
So for those of you who don't understand I hope you understand a little more. Theres centuries of history of being downtrodden involved, the attempted eradication of our culture, a constant set of laws that has caused any young scotsman or irishman when looking for success to have to leave his country and family. Its been going on for a long time and it will never be washed away by the attitude of 'it was a long time ago, I'm tired of hearing about it'
While as far as I know, I'm mostly from an Irish/English background, I do prefer half my whisky and all my dogs to be Scottish
Well, Ive read everything you wrote. I shouldn't really be suprised.
First off, *IT DOES AFFECT ME*. I shall repeat. Half my family are Scottish, the other English. Most of my time in the UK is spent in Glasgow. Which can often be not alot of fun as an Englishman let me tell you pal. But I dont need to tell you. You would probably know that. It does affect me. I bet you I've experienced an awful lot more racial abuse ( yes Ror. Racial. Thats what were talking about here right? Celts V. Anglo Saxons? Thats how you see the 'struggle' when you read your books isn't it? ) at the hands of your countrymen than you have of mine.
I have to ask you. Do you meet someone and hold resentment toward them or think less of them just because theyre English by birth? Or is your 'beef' purely with the English establishment?
Never at any point did I say that I was bored of your nations history and struggle with opression from ours. ( It's a facinating history. ) Never did I repute the historical facts nor claim to know them in any more detail than a Scotsman. But moreover that I was bored with your peoples nations presdisposed resentment toward ours in the modern age. Yes bored. I'll repeat. Bored. Im sorry that my boredom annoys you.
To summarize my thoughts about England and Scotland: I respect and like your country and people alot. I understand that you want to disassociate yourselves from England. I understand that you want to be pissed about shit that happened in the past. I dont give a shit what Scotlands tie is either politically or otherwise to England. What I dont like and think is dumb is the Scottish having a predisposed resentment of the English. Theyre not so different from each other in the modern day.
I think you live in the past Ror. I think you have a romanticized and outdated view of what it means to be Scottish ; to fight for freedom from oppresion. To hate the English. I just think that thats an outdated notion. Thats all Im really saying here.
More importantly, I dont think it's very progressive. Where do you draw the line? How far do you want to go back in history for christs sake?! So you're proud to be a celt. What about me? Where are my roots? Am I interested in my origins? Sure, but not at the expense of resenting somebody not having the same. How far do I wanna go back? Oliver Cromwell? Anglo Saxon? Saxons came from Germany for Gods sake. Does that make me German? Roman? Norman? Viking? Were all mongrels mate. The British Isles as you well know has been invaded since the beginning. It's a mixed bag of genes. I know alot of English wankers, but I know plenty of Scottish ones too.
/and no, that last line wasn't aimed at you. I was just trying to finish on something equalizing.