as said before I went to change the look of the helmet of my dragon knight set.
Now he got more horns!
They are actually the one from the dragon on his back. Not to be lazy but to keep a continuity since the original idea of the helmet was to honor the dragon relic he has on his back.
I hope this is better received than the previous iteration!
I'll move to the weapons now.
@ Snowstorm: very nice execution man. Clean bake and nice functional design. I like a lot to see belts and hinges that let you understand how the armor or weaponry is put together.
@Snowstorm Those bakes are epic!! @blossomalex So much good detail that I love! Upvoted from top to bottom @phobalien I like this desingn. Maybe its a little jrpg however I am sure it will fit. I see only one problems, or ok maybe two problems. First is how will you difive his coat into parts. Second is if you will manage to do this in tri budget for DK. Ahh last thing. I think helmet horns could be different from ones he carry on shoulders. They could be directed top as those of Terrorblade. That should look good from ingame view.
I finished today the flat color texture for Lifestealer...blood is kept on a separate layer, in case i'll have to remove it, if the design will ever be accepted anyway....i'm already thinking of a possible low violence version for the back.
If i haven't mentioned it before, concept and sculpt are from Phobalien
This time around we would like to ask artists to avoid the use of dragons and written Chinese characters, as well any concepts that involve human skulls, blood and gore. Additionally, to have the best chance of having your work make it into the game, please be careful not to mix cultural concepts in your designs, such as traditional divisions between the dress of children and adults, warriors and civilians and upper and lower classes.
i'm not sure what does it means....
avoid using mainstream designs that appear over and over again like last year people spamming horse head helmet? and avoid using chinese characters? (because i know last year people keep slapping chinese character no matter what)
or we are forbidden to draw cheong sam (or etc) traditional cloths that exist in real world ???
also i wonder wukong (goku -or- monkey king) will release in 2015 or 2016, because 2016 is year of monkey.
I think they want all sorts of cultural elements its just not year of the dragon
What gets me most confused is this forbid to mix cloths of children and adults, warriors and peasants, low and high class. For people outside from China its impossible to even know we are mixing things up. I could really use some examples of what to avoid.
Additionally, to have the best chance of having your work make it into the game, please be careful not to mix cultural concepts in your designs, such as traditional divisions between the dress of children and adults, warriors and civilians and upper and lower classes
I'm pretty sure they mean that you can, but it'll be best/safest to avoid it
"Additionally, to have the best chance of having your work make it into the game, please be careful not to mix cultural concepts in your designs, such as traditional divisions between the dress of children and adults, warriors and civilians and upper and lower classes."
Holy shit that's a very PICKY matter...don't wanna be unrespectful, but sounds like they don't want their clothes mixed around too much, it's kinda limiting for an artist creativity...
Chinese Dota is being my pain in the ass of 2014...
"Additionally, to have the best chance of having your work make it into the game, please be careful not to mix cultural concepts in your designs, such as traditional divisions between the dress of children and adults, warriors and civilians and upper and lower classes."
Holy shit that's a very PICKY matter...don't wanna be unrespectful, but sounds like they don't want their clothes mixed around too much, it's kinda limiting for an artist creativity...
Chinese Dota is being my pain in the ass of 2014...
Lets see:
- Tight requirements = CHECK
- No Particles = CHECK
- Singles = most likely not considering the trend = CHECK
- Sets = Possibly 8-12 sets get accepted = if half of the top artists made stuff = no chance for people like me = CHECK
- Status of existing stuff in workshop = ignored = CHECK
This gets better and better for the "workshop community". We are a community right?
that is sarcasm hehe.... (i wonder how many americans mixed up korean, chinese and japanese together... it is kinda like how i mix up people from australia, murica, UK... maybe ireland too) :P
i know haha, i'm chinese too (just non-mainland china chinese)
I think they want all sorts of cultural elements its just not year of the dragon
What gets me most confused is this forbid to mix cloths of children and adults, warriors and peasants, low and high class. For people outside from China its impossible to even know we are mixing things up. I could really use some examples of what to avoid.
this time everyone will be design Ram head all over on Doom, leshrac, and maybe Chaos knight, chen, mirana, maybe luna... also enchantress
this time everyone will be design Ram head all over on Doom, leshrac, and maybe Chaos knight, chen, mirana, maybe luna... also enchantress
Don't forget about Sven, he is just too easy to turn into a ram, it would be a sin to miss this chance!
Also, someone must have a goat/ram as a mount - Abaddon for example.
@ReMixx Stuff don't work like this. You will protest, others will not. You loose. Also why protest? Event aimed directly at workshop artists. Time to celebrate! If only deadline would not be so short and cut in half by Christmas ^^'
@ReMixx Stuff don't work like this. You will protest, others will not. You loose. Also why protest? Event aimed directly at workshop artists. Time to celebrate! If only deadline would not be so short and cut in half by Christmas ^^'
I like that valve is making a yearly event for hatters.
The rules are incredibly strict though, can't even mix elements of the same culture together if it isn't accurate. mm. Disney didn't follow these rules in Mulan ("you have the original legend taking place in the Wei Dynasty, the Huns as an actual threat during the Western Han Dynasty, the Forbidden City of the Ming Dynasty, the hanfu fashion setting it earlier"), and it still comes out looking cohesive and distinctly Chinese. Googling "Chinese headdress" gave me images that I recognize are Japanese too. It doesn't help that asian cultures share a lot of overlap, and borrow elements from each other all the time.
Anyway, I might focus more on the "spring" category for this event. Like the Aria of the Wind set from last year, it doesn't have to look chinese to get in... and it's probably safer too.
When Buddhism got to China, the bare-shoulder style of the original monks' robes became a problem. In Chinese culture it was improper not to keep the arms and shoulders covered in public. So, Chinese Buddhist monks began to wear sleeved robes similar to a Taoist scholar's robe of the early 1st millennium CE.
Anecdotally, I saw predominantly this outfit in Taiwan.
@ReMixx Stuff don't work like this. You will protest, others will not. You loose. Also why protest? Event aimed directly at workshop artists. Time to celebrate! If only deadline would not be so short and cut in half by Christmas ^^'
Celebrate? Why? What makes it different from another month release? It is the same shit we are getting every month. Hell, Spring 2014 was bad but bearable coz like if you made a single and it didn't get in, no big deal. Now we got over 40 or so groups or single artists making sets. Only for 8-12 to be accepted. The rest can rot, Valve doesn't care. This is abuse in my opinion. The bar has been set high but a lot of us have improved. We aren't the next Anuxi or Danidem, but we do make stuff that can be considered good and definitely miles better than what was released in the first year of Dota 2 cosmetics. The way I see it, many of us will work hard to make great stuff and spend titanic effort in that, for only Valve to pick a handful or two. Obviously, second rate artist is second rate artist. I have yet to see good examples of "if it is good, it gets in no matter who you are" as a proper weighted statistic. It is just so rare.
I know some of you will think I am attacking the top artists but I am not. I am saying, Valve is asking for too much lately and their communication is shittier than ever. Ask for more give less. Way to go!
People keep telling me it will get better, that this is a phase. Well, convince me that this stupid announcement is better, for me to turn around.
I honestly want to make stuff, I wasted so much time and effort this year for a person with a day job. I got good feedback from you guys! Unless I am being lied to about the quality of my work, I don't know what else is missing. Also, don't give me that "make more stuff, eventually you will get something in and you are learning", well, seeing people almost more artists who join later and get stuff in before you isn't helping much is it and I saw a TON of new artists hopping in and getting stuff in. No need for me to make a count.
Anyway, who cares, I am sure someone will come and say: tough luck, go somewhere else. Maybe I will do just that.
Maybe I am the only one frustrated here. Maybe I am writing to get some sympathy. Maybe this or maybe that. I don't care, I am venting it here. Nothing will change but I might feel better in the end that I let it out.
Oh, and the amount of people wearing masks here is mind blowing. No wonder a lot of cool artists aren't posting as often. Some of you know exactly what I mean. Don't bait me to give more.
P.S. AND FFS VALVE! The stars on the items had me pushing atleast and kinda rewarding. This new crappy system inplace makes my workshop page look like binary: Failed item or accepted item. Boohoo! Thanks for making me feel even worse about it!
Ok, my honest opinion on this is that Valve just wants to milk the workshop to the max.
The requirements for the New Bloom event are ridiculous and disappointing, barely leaving any room for creativity
(how the fuck do you even differentiate and not mix the different clothing styles?)
I had some respect for the Valve Dota Team but I don't know if I have any left.
I am really infuriated.
Thanks Valve! Congratulations on managing to ruin the workshop completely!
Gonna get an early start on the new bloom stuff this year, starting with a concept sketch for a Twin Ram Scepter for Ogre Magi. I'll have a colored version up soon enough, up for grabs if anyone finds it interesting enough.
I don't get where all of that drama is coming from. Having strict guidelines is suddenly 'ruining the workshop completely'? I remember last time people complaining about how no actual spring themed items and other Chinese inspired cosmetics that were really good, weren't added, instead we got loads of stuff with horse heads tacked on. This time they're actually saying EXACTLY what to do and what not to, and it's a bad thing? Alrighty then.
The only thing that bothers me is that is it pretty much the same thing as last year, what about other events ? Why is it only for New Bloom that Valve is openly asking artists to make stuff for ?
I don't get where all of that drama is coming from. Having strict guidelines is suddenly 'ruining the workshop completely'? I remember last time people complaining about how no actual spring themed items and other Chinese inspired cosmetics that were really good, weren't added, instead we got loads of stuff with horse heads tacked on. This time they're actually saying EXACTLY what to do and what not to, and it's a bad thing? Alrighty then.
I was happy to see these guidelines this time around, it helps address some issues I ran into last year
-goat/ram horns
-chinese new year stufs like : chiense lamps , gold coiins , etc
-chinese arhitecture /shapes
- collors like deep red and gold
-goat/ furry armors (winter theme )
we cant use goat skulls tho , or any kind of bones .
I'm gonna do a goat courier , hopfully they dont go with the same thing like last year ( they made the horse couriers.)
Vayne4800: You are not the only one frustrated here. I just feel like it's not my place to complain since I've only just submitted my first set in october 2014. I have been following the workshop for much longer than that though, and there are definitely things I'm unsafistied about... but the problem is, if the artists who are being affected aren't complaining, what credibility or strength would my opinion/position hold?
I know that I'm going to continue collecting submission data to see if things change with a big event. This event represents a new year - and maybe that means valve will respond to some of the complaints that have surfaced in the "workshop state" thread. Events tend to include more single items than are released in a typical month, and given the atmosphere of the workshop, it might be a good opportunity for valve to set the tone for the coming year.
My partner has expressed concern over participating in this event, but I remain optimistic. I just have a feeling I can name 4 artists who are going to get items in game already, regardless of how many people enter and how good the competition is. But last year, new bloom had a large variety of artists included. Just hope my work will be included.
More research:
During the Ming and Qing Dynasties, Beijing became the capital city, and the color yellow became the exclusive color for the imperial family. Ordinary people were not allowed to wear yellow.
With an exception for monks!
[T]he monks' robes were made of a yellow material, and the Buddha figures were plated with gold to show their nobility and preciousness, because since ancient times, the Chinese people believed that the color yellow came from Heaven.
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:> woots! glad you like them.
I'm gonna take a break after this set till the end of the year thereabouts, I'll try to find time to document the process then.
Also, colours! XD
Guess I might have to redo at least parts of the helm after all huh...
Check it in the workshop here:
as said before I went to change the look of the helmet of my dragon knight set.
Now he got more horns!
They are actually the one from the dragon on his back. Not to be lazy but to keep a continuity since the original idea of the helmet was to honor the dragon relic he has on his back.
I hope this is better received than the previous iteration!
I'll move to the weapons now.
@blossomalex So much good detail that I love! Upvoted from top to bottom
@phobalien I like this desingn. Maybe its a little jrpg however I am sure it will fit. I see only one problems, or ok maybe two problems. First is how will you difive his coat into parts. Second is if you will manage to do this in tri budget for DK. Ahh last thing. I think helmet horns could be different from ones he carry on shoulders. They could be directed top as those of Terrorblade. That should look good from ingame view.
If i haven't mentioned it before, concept and sculpt are from Phobalien
Nice bakes! But I think you should revisit the color scheme on the crests/armor. Its not that it isn't bad, but I think it can be better
@Art Awesome set, I especially like head piece. Very menacing.
@Monetai great work as always
@Toasty, The luna set looks nice but it seems kind of thin and frail. That might just be me though.
I finished a weapon for VS
Thanks man. I guess you mean the anime like feeling right?
Concept: Square
Particles: Andumy
3D+Texturing+Loading Screen:Stuburrito
I heard somewhere that its getting a remodel or something.?
https://www.pinterest.com/bunnyparty/dota-2-workshop-inspiration/
i would rather stay away from goatsss XDD
i somehow will predict soon there will be many leshrac set coming out.
i'm not sure what does it means....
avoid using mainstream designs that appear over and over again like last year people spamming horse head helmet? and avoid using chinese characters? (because i know last year people keep slapping chinese character no matter what)
or we are forbidden to draw cheong sam (or etc) traditional cloths that exist in real world ???
also i wonder wukong (goku -or- monkey king) will release in 2015 or 2016, because 2016 is year of monkey.
Seems pretty obvious to me.
Pretty much, don't do this; :V
I guess they want to avoid any sort of cultural elements so it feels less like a chinese exclusive patch. In short, make cool shit influenced by rams.
What gets me most confused is this forbid to mix cloths of children and adults, warriors and peasants, low and high class. For people outside from China its impossible to even know we are mixing things up. I could really use some examples of what to avoid.
I also re-read the post
I'm pretty sure they mean that you can, but it'll be best/safest to avoid it
ninjia is japanese culture,bro:)
Holy shit that's a very PICKY matter...don't wanna be unrespectful, but sounds like they don't want their clothes mixed around too much, it's kinda limiting for an artist creativity...
Chinese Dota is being my pain in the ass of 2014...
It'll be 2015
- Tight requirements = CHECK
- No Particles = CHECK
- Singles = most likely not considering the trend = CHECK
- Sets = Possibly 8-12 sets get accepted = if half of the top artists made stuff = no chance for people like me = CHECK
- Status of existing stuff in workshop = ignored = CHECK
This gets better and better for the "workshop community". We are a community right?
that is sarcasm hehe.... (i wonder how many americans mixed up korean, chinese and japanese together... it is kinda like how i mix up people from australia, murica, UK... maybe ireland too) :P
i know haha, i'm chinese too (just non-mainland china chinese)
yes, i speak mandarin, cantonese, and hakka :P
this time everyone will be design Ram head all over on Doom, leshrac, and maybe Chaos knight, chen, mirana, maybe luna... also enchantress
:P
is that a bad thing now. i can't keep up with all these newfangled trends
Also, someone must have a goat/ram as a mount - Abaddon for example.
I'm just trolling. :poly121:
The rules are incredibly strict though, can't even mix elements of the same culture together if it isn't accurate. mm. Disney didn't follow these rules in Mulan ("you have the original legend taking place in the Wei Dynasty, the Huns as an actual threat during the Western Han Dynasty, the Forbidden City of the Ming Dynasty, the hanfu fashion setting it earlier"), and it still comes out looking cohesive and distinctly Chinese. Googling "Chinese headdress" gave me images that I recognize are Japanese too. It doesn't help that asian cultures share a lot of overlap, and borrow elements from each other all the time.
Anyway, I might focus more on the "spring" category for this event. Like the Aria of the Wind set from last year, it doesn't have to look chinese to get in... and it's probably safer too.
crossposting research from ike_ike's thread:
Celebrate? Why? What makes it different from another month release? It is the same shit we are getting every month. Hell, Spring 2014 was bad but bearable coz like if you made a single and it didn't get in, no big deal. Now we got over 40 or so groups or single artists making sets. Only for 8-12 to be accepted. The rest can rot, Valve doesn't care. This is abuse in my opinion. The bar has been set high but a lot of us have improved. We aren't the next Anuxi or Danidem, but we do make stuff that can be considered good and definitely miles better than what was released in the first year of Dota 2 cosmetics. The way I see it, many of us will work hard to make great stuff and spend titanic effort in that, for only Valve to pick a handful or two. Obviously, second rate artist is second rate artist. I have yet to see good examples of "if it is good, it gets in no matter who you are" as a proper weighted statistic. It is just so rare.
I know some of you will think I am attacking the top artists but I am not. I am saying, Valve is asking for too much lately and their communication is shittier than ever. Ask for more give less. Way to go!
People keep telling me it will get better, that this is a phase. Well, convince me that this stupid announcement is better, for me to turn around.
I honestly want to make stuff, I wasted so much time and effort this year for a person with a day job. I got good feedback from you guys! Unless I am being lied to about the quality of my work, I don't know what else is missing. Also, don't give me that "make more stuff, eventually you will get something in and you are learning", well, seeing people almost more artists who join later and get stuff in before you isn't helping much is it and I saw a TON of new artists hopping in and getting stuff in. No need for me to make a count.
Anyway, who cares, I am sure someone will come and say: tough luck, go somewhere else. Maybe I will do just that.
Maybe I am the only one frustrated here. Maybe I am writing to get some sympathy. Maybe this or maybe that. I don't care, I am venting it here. Nothing will change but I might feel better in the end that I let it out.
Oh, and the amount of people wearing masks here is mind blowing. No wonder a lot of cool artists aren't posting as often. Some of you know exactly what I mean. Don't bait me to give more.
P.S. AND FFS VALVE! The stars on the items had me pushing atleast and kinda rewarding. This new crappy system inplace makes my workshop page look like binary: Failed item or accepted item. Boohoo! Thanks for making me feel even worse about it!
I'm going for a Drow with a ram head :poly136:
The requirements for the New Bloom event are ridiculous and disappointing, barely leaving any room for creativity
(how the fuck do you even differentiate and not mix the different clothing styles?)
I had some respect for the Valve Dota Team but I don't know if I have any left.
I am really infuriated.
Thanks Valve! Congratulations on managing to ruin the workshop completely!
I was happy to see these guidelines this time around, it helps address some issues I ran into last year
From what I understand we can use
-goat/ram horns
-chinese new year stufs like : chiense lamps , gold coiins , etc
-chinese arhitecture /shapes
- collors like deep red and gold
-goat/ furry armors (winter theme )
we cant use goat skulls tho , or any kind of bones .
I'm gonna do a goat courier , hopfully they dont go with the same thing like last year ( they made the horse couriers.)
I know that I'm going to continue collecting submission data to see if things change with a big event. This event represents a new year - and maybe that means valve will respond to some of the complaints that have surfaced in the "workshop state" thread. Events tend to include more single items than are released in a typical month, and given the atmosphere of the workshop, it might be a good opportunity for valve to set the tone for the coming year.
My partner has expressed concern over participating in this event, but I remain optimistic. I just have a feeling I can name 4 artists who are going to get items in game already, regardless of how many people enter and how good the competition is. But last year, new bloom had a large variety of artists included. Just hope my work will be included.
More research:
With an exception for monks!
Source: http://en.minghui.org/html/articles/2008/2/11/94247.html
Better not mix up those upper and lower classes! Yellows are only allowed for imperial designs!