the long sleeve... i used to made on Lina set before, and because the sleeve don't have bone there... i wonder how it will looks like when comes to casting spell animation.....
Reza: thanks
vector_meche: Those are base models... you can't change them...
danpaz3d: hehe might look quite funny indeed. Design fail I suppose XD
quockhanhlk: I just felt she needed something on her neck. The ribbon is one of the things I tried out.
@Vovosunt It's not a fail, I don't think it's impossible to do it, Necro has huge sleeves so I guess if someone can get a similar visual result for CM, then it could work!
@Vovosunt: We tried making long drapey sleeves for our cm frost point set too, but ended up having to ditch them because of rigging problems. Necro has huge sleeves, but it works for him because he mainly keeps his arms parallel to the ground... Need to check, but I think he might even have bones for it. Anyway, we found that it moved pretty unrealistically, and jutted out straight behind her. You might be able to get it to work for you (rigging/positioning tricks and magic!), but you should definitely make a quick test to see it in game.
That being said, this concept excites me. :P Love the entire back view and the staff.
@Snowstorm: Love it. Would be so kind as to share your matcap? Just wondering what is going on with the headpiece?
I'm so tempted to copy pasta what Jeremy said in his thread here :P I basically did the same thing trying to emulate him. No idea what extra steps there are to achieve the look he has, but I think it looks sufficiently cool on its own.
I basically messed with all the sliders of the skinshade4 and framer1 (or was it 4?) matcaps until I figured out what they did and then pasted them into a doubleshade matcap. The colouring is done by upping the colorize sliders and selecting the appropriate colours for the different shades. Then I upped the antialiasing to 4x and rendered it at Best.
Snowstorm, that's looking really promising ! It seems like there is a cohesive theme and story going with it, very cool.
I guess it helped that this was one of the sets I actually had lore written for before I started concept work! This set is actually a remake of this one, so the lore was already done. I typically never write lore except as an afterthought. I've also always had cohesion problems with my set items, so this time round I kept going back to the same motifs and thinking about the lore when making the individual items. Seems to have worked so far
Thanks for the feedback GhostDetector! I will work on getting some AO in there.
I have made it a bit tricky for myself given that the Head of the totem is mirrored down the center whilst the bars go around at 120 degrees apart. It means if I paint AO on the head it will show up on the other side where it doesn't make sense.
WHat I will try is painting it on the actual bar itself, but even then it has different intersections with the head. Ill see what I can magic up
Those matcaps are so cool. They remind me a lot of the soft detail you get/see with some resin sculptures.
Edit to avoid doublepost: Anyone having issues with artifacts in Marmoset Toolbag 2.06? It's creating all these little 1 pixel artifacts that look like glitter and screw up bloom effects. It didn't happen before, but it's retroactively applied to my older scenes as well.
Agito, danpaz, teabiscuit: sleeves will probably animate wonky :P
I'll make an alternate design if they don't work
Razor is the most frustrating puck of a hero there is.
I don't even know how did they manage to create a hero that looks
absolutely the same no matter what items you design for him >,<
Edit to avoid doublepost: Anyone having issues with artifacts in Marmoset Toolbag 2.06? It's creating all these little 1 pixel artifacts that look like glitter and screw up bloom effects. It didn't happen before, but it's retroactively applied to my older scenes as well.
I don't use Marmoset, but it sounds like you've got 'fireflies', which are typically present in path tracing rendering engines. Basically they're pixels where the colour information hasn't been calculated properly/fully yet. As far as I know, though, Marmoset isn't a path tracer (like I said, I don't use it, so I don't know for sure), so I'm not sure what might be causing it.
I made a concept art for a set for Sven. This is the first time I made a concept art for anything so criticism would be appreciated. If anyone is interested enough to help me make this into a set, let me know. Again, please be gentle.
Zbrush is such an amazing soft geez...Could'nt stop myself from sculpting till morning xD
edit: as expected lack of tris...got over 700tris for lod1 dragon head when te budget is 350 for whole bow... and i still got the bow and wings geez...
I have to review my ideas and simplify them to fit requirements err
Still working for an drow ranger bow.
I removed the physical handle due to design... do valve approve such magic ? o.O
Edit: Found solution, now lets hope I wont pass the tris budget -_-''
Got confused...I need to make 2 topology ? for high and low poly? I saw ppl only doing the low poly but Ive got over 2k faces here... masks are also separately for high and low poly?
Thanks Snowstorm, I think I got something I am reasonably pleased with, it's slightly different to yours but I now understand the process much better so thankyou!! I see what you mean about Jeremy's sculpts being extra clean now. (This isn't a Dota 2 item)
Welcome!
As for the helm, I'm gonna wait till the colour maps are done for the items before I decide if it's really necessary to redo the helm or not. I'd rather not, but if I've spent all this time making the rest of the set it'd be a waste not to give it a proper finishing touch. I designed the rest of the set with the helm as a base, so it shouuuulllld fit.
Still working for an drow ranger bow.
I removed the physical handle due to design... do valve approve such magic ? o.O
Edit: Found solution, now lets hope I wont pass the tris budget -_-''
Got confused...I need to make 2 topology ? for high and low poly? I saw ppl only doing the low poly but Ive got over 2k faces here... masks are also separately for high and low poly?
I can't quite tell if the 2 topologies you're referring to are LOD0/LOD1 or are really what we call high/low poly. High poly has no polygon limits. There are 2 types of low poly - LOD0 and LOD1. Low polys are limited between 250-1000. LOD0 has a higher limit and is used for the showcase view. We make both and bake the high poly details into the LOD0/LOD1. All textures, masks, normal maps are the same for both LOD0 and LOD1.
That bow you have now is only suitable for high poly. From that you still need to make the 2 low polys for LOD0 and LOD1.
Masks are only for low poly. Technically you only need to make the low poly. We use the high polys to generate textures and normal maps for the low poly and for marketing, that's all. The high polys are never submitted to the workshop or used in-game.
Most of us do the topologies something like this:
1. make a high poly with no limit in Zbrush or modeling program.
2. make either LOD0 or LOD1
3. make LOD0/LOD1 (which ever you didn't make) from the model you made in 2.
Do you guys also have a problem with workshop that after voting on all items from queue your directed to blank page instead of one stating that you voted on all items and you can generate new set of items? It is really pissing me off. Another thing is that i cant find anything on new workshop. Items are mix to such degree now that i don't even like browsing it anymore
I can't quite tell if the 2 topologies you're referring to are LOD0/LOD1 or are really what we call high/low poly. High poly has no polygon limits. There are 2 types of low poly - LOD0 and LOD1. Low polys are limited between 250-1000. LOD0 has a higher limit and is used for the showcase view. We make both and bake the high poly details into the LOD0/LOD1. All textures, masks, normal maps are the same for both LOD0 and LOD1.
That bow you have now is only suitable for high poly. From that you still need to make the 2 low polys for LOD0 and LOD1.
Masks are only for low poly. Technically you only need to make the low poly. We use the high polys to generate textures and normal maps for the low poly and for marketing, that's all. The high polys are never submitted to the workshop or used in-game.
Most of us do the topologies something like this:
1. make a high poly with no limit in Zbrush or modeling program.
2. make either LOD0 or LOD1
3. make LOD0/LOD1 (which ever you didn't make) from the model you made in 2.
4. bake details into either LOD0 or LOD1
Thank you for sharing! You saved me a night from googling
Do you guys also have a problem with workshop that after voting on all items from queue your directed to blank page instead of one stating that you voted on all items and you can generate new set of items? It is really pissing me off. Another thing is that i cant find anything on new workshop. Items are mix to such degree now that i don't even like browsing it anymore
Yeah I had that yesterday. I'm finding for some of the items that pop up the Yes/No doesn't really apply. I've had things like "Ultimate Bulgaria Extreme Dota 2 Cup". It's just a ticket image, no information and not really much to go on. Usually just do the old "Ask me later"
Finally published S4 Magnus set I was working on with Madzia and Automedic.
SFM Video for the set was created by Lozeng3r.
I was not able to publish any wip as I was working on it but I made small imgur album with WIP and design screens I found interesting http://imgur.com/a/5Vs09
Hey guys, started working on a Puck set. Wanted to make something that would stand out so I figured i'd try focusing on the dragon part of him more than the faerie.
Still pretty early and kinda sloppy WIP, but its enough to get the idea across.
I'm curious to hear your thoughts, worried I might be stepping a tad to far outside of the box lol.
There's a .vmt command that makes them double sided though, and it is activated on certain heroes like Storm Spirit.
Most heroes don't have it activated though so you should just assume you'll need to copy the faces and flip them yourself when budgeting the polycount.
@Thnk: very solid design, i like a slighly evil Puck. I don't know how much is the polycount, but looks like you'll have to do some tricks for some of those smaller elements.
Thank you all for warm opinions everyone! @Andrew We wanted to push idea after pro players loading screens a little futher with this one. I dont know if that would apply to every pro player set but I felt for S4 Magnus that can be a "thing". We wanted to achieve effect similar to Drew Struzan posters. Well I would definitly want to read more opinions from community on this, however with new tab for comments I am not getting almost any comments on items
@Konras: Great idea! The face looks kinda odd to what we've been watching so far, but it's so well done that people may love it! My only suggestion would be to change his expression to a more agressive look, since well, it's Magnus featuring by his side. The player's face is too gentle and calm, while Magnus is dividing earth with his skill. But besides that, what an awesome work, as always @Thnk: lovin dat puck!
Hi people,
I'm working on Dragon Knight for my second dota skin. I know that one of the best set made is actually for this character but I hope to do a good job with the design and the execution.
For now you can have a look at the hipoly of the armor. The design is influenced by another "dragon" of the video game industry that I really love. Kudos to the person naming it .
The overall shape should feel significantly different from the other skins made while still staying in the lore of the character.
I hope you like it and soon I will update with sword and shield.
C&C are very welcome of course.
@phobalein: Really reminds me of anime armor... but hey, nothing like that is in dota, so it's original in that way...
But the helm dissapoints me a lot. Not enough dragon in it >,<
Konras : Personally the face in the loading screen is a bit off-putting, but the illustration is just awesome, as expected !
Thnk : I like the design, you should definitely stay in that direction
So, I have finally finished my mount bundle. Sorry for all the gifs
Ehi guys, thanks for the nice comments on the armor! @VOvosunt: well anime and manga have a great influence on me since I started drawing 10 years ago . Still the main ref is not a specific anime but more a mix of stylish design you see in there and some games. @Gajun and @Vayne4800: Thanks!
I have to give credit to motenai for suggesting from the beginning to spice up the Helmet with more horns!... What I was trying to do was to give some space to the design having the horns on the top of the armor framing an helm that was calm in the overall shape and volume.
From your comments I see that perhaps I can try something more aggressive and I will do so with something I have in mind already.
I will update later this evening if I manage to test it after work.
Konras : Personally the face in the loading screen is a bit off-putting, but the illustration is just awesome, as expected !
Thnk : I like the design, you should definitely stay in that direction
So, I have finally finished my mount bundle. Sorry for all the gifs
Awesome mounts and a great idea! Saw them on the steam workshop originally. The only one I didn't like so much was the Abaddon mount which has a very similar head shape and feel to Jeremy's (except his is blue).
And for me, fresh out of the oven featuring one-click matcap baking. Combined ambient occlusion, diffuse and cavity maps. Modo ladies and gentlemen!
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(i guess it will be weird as fuck XD)
vector_meche: Those are base models... you can't change them...
danpaz3d: hehe might look quite funny indeed. Design fail I suppose XD
quockhanhlk: I just felt she needed something on her neck. The ribbon is one of the things I tried out.
That being said, this concept excites me. :P Love the entire back view and the staff.
@Snowstorm: That sculpt is coming out great!
I'm wrapping up this one for ES
try to avoid the thin detail on the bow, that doesnt read very well in game, also check if you have enough texture resolution for the asymmetry
the idea of using the dragon is really nice =] good luck
Nice sculpt, as for ideas, maybe you can paint in some designs on the chest piece when it goes into texturing.
@Alismuffin
It looks great but perhaps add some AO shadows in the circled area
I'm so tempted to copy pasta what Jeremy said in his thread here :P I basically did the same thing trying to emulate him. No idea what extra steps there are to achieve the look he has, but I think it looks sufficiently cool on its own.
http://imgur.com/YC2Bhb3
I basically messed with all the sliders of the skinshade4 and framer1 (or was it 4?) matcaps until I figured out what they did and then pasted them into a doubleshade matcap. The colouring is done by upping the colorize sliders and selecting the appropriate colours for the different shades. Then I upped the antialiasing to 4x and rendered it at Best.
As for the helm it's going to be this one:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=172654571
I intend to use the whole item with ratings etc on the new collection.
I guess it helped that this was one of the sets I actually had lore written for before I started concept work! This set is actually a remake of this one, so the lore was already done. I typically never write lore except as an afterthought. I've also always had cohesion problems with my set items, so this time round I kept going back to the same motifs and thinking about the lore when making the individual items. Seems to have worked so far
Thanks for the feedback GhostDetector! I will work on getting some AO in there.
I have made it a bit tricky for myself given that the Head of the totem is mirrored down the center whilst the bars go around at 120 degrees apart. It means if I paint AO on the head it will show up on the other side where it doesn't make sense.
WHat I will try is painting it on the actual bar itself, but even then it has different intersections with the head. Ill see what I can magic up
I just put my thing on the workshop to test the waters
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=348296568
Edit to avoid doublepost: Anyone having issues with artifacts in Marmoset Toolbag 2.06? It's creating all these little 1 pixel artifacts that look like glitter and screw up bloom effects. It didn't happen before, but it's retroactively applied to my older scenes as well.
Not sure about texture thing err... its my first project...btw should i make the head and wings in 3ds max or just the basic geometry ?
I'll make an alternate design if they don't work
Razor is the most frustrating puck of a hero there is.
I don't even know how did they manage to create a hero that looks
absolutely the same no matter what items you design for him >,<
I don't use Marmoset, but it sounds like you've got 'fireflies', which are typically present in path tracing rendering engines. Basically they're pixels where the colour information hasn't been calculated properly/fully yet. As far as I know, though, Marmoset isn't a path tracer (like I said, I don't use it, so I don't know for sure), so I'm not sure what might be causing it.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=348982122
edit: as expected lack of tris...got over 700tris for lod1 dragon head when te budget is 350 for whole bow... and i still got the bow and wings geez...
I have to review my ideas and simplify them to fit requirements err
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=348221726&searchtext=tidebreaker
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=349443391
I removed the physical handle due to design... do valve approve such magic ? o.O
Edit: Found solution, now lets hope I wont pass the tris budget -_-''
Got confused...I need to make 2 topology ? for high and low poly? I saw ppl only doing the low poly but Ive got over 2k faces here... masks are also separately for high and low poly?
Welcome!
As for the helm, I'm gonna wait till the colour maps are done for the items before I decide if it's really necessary to redo the helm or not. I'd rather not, but if I've spent all this time making the rest of the set it'd be a waste not to give it a proper finishing touch. I designed the rest of the set with the helm as a base, so it shouuuulllld fit.
I can't quite tell if the 2 topologies you're referring to are LOD0/LOD1 or are really what we call high/low poly. High poly has no polygon limits. There are 2 types of low poly - LOD0 and LOD1. Low polys are limited between 250-1000. LOD0 has a higher limit and is used for the showcase view. We make both and bake the high poly details into the LOD0/LOD1. All textures, masks, normal maps are the same for both LOD0 and LOD1.
That bow you have now is only suitable for high poly. From that you still need to make the 2 low polys for LOD0 and LOD1.
Masks are only for low poly. Technically you only need to make the low poly. We use the high polys to generate textures and normal maps for the low poly and for marketing, that's all. The high polys are never submitted to the workshop or used in-game.
Most of us do the topologies something like this:
1. make a high poly with no limit in Zbrush or modeling program.
2. make either LOD0 or LOD1
3. make LOD0/LOD1 (which ever you didn't make) from the model you made in 2.
4. bake details into either LOD0 or LOD1
Thank you for sharing! You saved me a night from googling
Yeah I had that yesterday. I'm finding for some of the items that pop up the Yes/No doesn't really apply. I've had things like "Ultimate Bulgaria Extreme Dota 2 Cup". It's just a ticket image, no information and not really much to go on. Usually just do the old "Ask me later"
SFM Video for the set was created by Lozeng3r.
I was not able to publish any wip as I was working on it but I made small imgur album with WIP and design screens I found interesting
And now the set itself:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=350264030
I do hope you will like it
Still pretty early and kinda sloppy WIP, but its enough to get the idea across.
I'm curious to hear your thoughts, worried I might be stepping a tad to far outside of the box lol.
and game angle
There's a .vmt command that makes them double sided though, and it is activated on certain heroes like Storm Spirit.
Most heroes don't have it activated though so you should just assume you'll need to copy the faces and flip them yourself when budgeting the polycount.
@Thnk: very solid design, i like a slighly evil Puck. I don't know how much is the polycount, but looks like you'll have to do some tricks for some of those smaller elements.
@Andrew We wanted to push idea after pro players loading screens a little futher with this one. I dont know if that would apply to every pro player set but I felt for S4 Magnus that can be a "thing". We wanted to achieve effect similar to Drew Struzan posters. Well I would definitly want to read more opinions from community on this, however with new tab for comments I am not getting almost any comments on items
@Thnk: lovin dat puck!
Erlkönig
I'm working on Dragon Knight for my second dota skin. I know that one of the best set made is actually for this character but I hope to do a good job with the design and the execution.
For now you can have a look at the hipoly of the armor. The design is influenced by another "dragon" of the video game industry that I really love. Kudos to the person naming it
The overall shape should feel significantly different from the other skins made while still staying in the lore of the character.
I hope you like it and soon I will update with sword and shield.
C&C are very welcome of course.
But the helm dissapoints me a lot. Not enough dragon in it >,<
That armor is sick :poly136: Helm needs something though
Thnk : I like the design, you should definitely stay in that direction
So, I have finally finished my mount bundle. Sorry for all the gifs
@VOvosunt: well anime and manga have a great influence on me since I started drawing 10 years ago
@Gajun and @Vayne4800: Thanks!
I have to give credit to motenai for suggesting from the beginning to spice up the Helmet with more horns!... What I was trying to do was to give some space to the design having the horns on the top of the armor framing an helm that was calm in the overall shape and volume.
From your comments I see that perhaps I can try something more aggressive and I will do so with something I have in mind already.
I will update later this evening if I manage to test it after work.
Awesome mounts and a great idea! Saw them on the steam workshop originally. The only one I didn't like so much was the Abaddon mount which has a very similar head shape and feel to Jeremy's (except his is blue).
And for me, fresh out of the oven featuring one-click matcap baking. Combined ambient occlusion, diffuse and cavity maps. Modo ladies and gentlemen!
damn those are some attractive bakes