Victorian couch WIP

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

Working on a victorian couch as a portfolio piece. Thinking about making the pattern in the seats with ndo2 or something.

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

Remade pretty much the whole thing and it turned out better

chakkrit · Apr 2012

Are you gonna sculpt any detail in to this? Fabric patterns and material texture on the cushioned parts would look awesome. Maybe scratches and things on the wooden frame/legs? Looks good so far.

3Dyan · Apr 2012

You have a noticeable seam right down the middle. Best take care of that.

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

Licky Webster wrote: »

You have a noticeable seam right down the middle. Best take care of that.

Yeah the other side is just a copy and not stitched up yet.

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

chakkrit wrote: »

Are you gonna sculpt any detail in to this? Fabric patterns and material texture on the cushioned parts would look awesome. Maybe scratches and things on the wooden frame/legs? Looks good so far.

The plan is to have this kinds of detail in the back part of it

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

Started with the back support part of it, took a while until i got a grip on the whole subtool function part. Just sculpted the seat and placed the buttons. Think i might need to give the sections around the buttons abit more attension so they look like the seat goes around the button and not in it.

sltrOlsson · Apr 2012

Great stuff! I have to say it looks more like leather then cloth, though pretty convincing leather. I think it needs more "gravity". Cloth folds in different ways then leather. Keep at it, and take an other matcap

That red original is horrible :P

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

Thanks, yeah i was affraid of that. Need to look into how to change that!

sltrOlsson wrote: »

Great stuff! I have to say it looks more like leather then cloth, though pretty convincing leather. I think it needs more "gravity". Cloth folds in different ways then leather. Keep at it, and take an other matcap That red original is horrible :P

_DeadPixel_ · Apr 2012

Looking cool; maybe try stepping down a subdivision and using the inflate brush to make the indents a little more "plump".

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

Thanks fo the tip!

_DeadPixel_ wrote: »

Looking cool; maybe try stepping down a subdivision and using the inflate brush to make the indents a little more "plump".

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

tried to get it more to look like fabric than leather!

Felixenfeu · Apr 2012

I liked your first sculpt better, lacks of details on the new one.

rattlesnake · Apr 2012

probably buttons can be a bit smaller and even push them a bit more into the cloth, after that maybe start adding the fold detail , really nice progress

, ah oh Hi there btw

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

rattlesnake wrote: »

probably buttons can be a bit smaller and even push them a bit more into the cloth, after that maybe start adding the fold detail , really nice progress , ah oh Hi there btw

Yeah probably, anyone know a better way that using sub tools to add the buttons and individually place them. Or if you can scale them all individually?

You mean more fold detail than the first one? Hi there youreself!:)

sltrOlsson · Apr 2012

You can use goZ (or is it Zgo?) hand place them in maya.

The main things here is, the buttons should be deeper in, there should be sharp folds between the cushions, smaller detailed folds (more like your first sculpt) and some loose regular folds on top of the cushion bits.

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

I knew there was some better way than handplacing them. Thanks

sltrOlsson wrote: »

You can use goZ (or is it Zgo?) hand place them in maya.

The main things here is, the buttons should be deeper in, there should be sharp folds between the cushions, smaller detailed folds (more like your first sculpt) and some loose regular folds on top of the cushion bits.

rattlesnake · Apr 2012

Samfisher84 wrote: »

Yeah probably, anyone know a better way that using sub tools to add the buttons and individually place them. Or if you can scale them all individually?

You mean more fold detail than the first one? Hi there youreself!:)

ah not as much detail as firt one...maybe some folds really defined here and there comming out from the buttons..to have some depth ones like the reference show, for the placing of the buttons maybe u can try insert mesh? they will end up in a different polygroup so u can manage them separatetly.

I think that if i was modeling this one probably would make holes first where the buttons go, a bit deep ones, then inflate a bit around them to get the feeling right i guess..haha

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

This is where its at now, worked some more on the folds and buttons and pushed them in some more.

sltrOlsson · Apr 2012

Great. Looks much more cloth like. The pattern on the front piece should continue down on the legs to right?

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

sltrOlsson wrote: »

Great. Looks much more cloth like. The pattern on the front piece should continue down on the legs to right?

Thanks! im not sure about that, will try it, used an alpha in projection master on that. it might look shitty. But it will be a better ending to the pattern than what it is now

rattlesnake · Apr 2012

Samfisher84 wrote: »

Thanks! im not sure about that, will try it, used an alpha in projection master on that. it might look shitty. But it will be a better ending to the pattern than what it is now

man did you try using the stitch brushes in zbrush, or using the roll function in it? that way ull be easily adding trim details, and you can generate an alpha for it fairly easy

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

rattlesnake wrote: »

man did you try using the stitch brushes in zbrush, or using the roll function in it? that way ull be easily adding trim details, and you can generate an alpha for it fairly easy

No havent used the stitch brushes

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

Feel pretty much done with the HP. not too sure about the top detail thing is gonna bake well.

Dont know what these blotches are, hopefully not brush strokes. It started painting black when i held down alt for some reason.

dpadam450 · Apr 2012

I think most of why it doesn't look like fabric is simply you have no texture on it and you have too much specular. Fabric is a bunch of tiny fibers so light bounces all over the place and has about 0 specular.

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

dpadam450 wrote: »

I think most of why it doesn't look like fabric is simply you have no texture on it and you have too much specular. Fabric is a bunch of tiny fibers so light bounces all over the place and has about 0 specular.

Yeah it will probably look allot better when i get some texture on it and correct spec

Samfisher84 · Apr 2012

Made a new headpiece for the top part which feels allot better than the one before

Samfisher84 · May 2012

Havent updated in a while. Pretty much done with the lowpoly!

[HP] · May 2012

Really nice! Loving that high poly, pretty good work.

I would recommend you revise the polygon density on the legs of the couch lp, loads of little polys in there.

Samfisher84 · May 2012

[HP] wrote: »

Really nice! Loving that high poly, pretty good work.

I would recommend you revise the polygon density on the legs of the couch lp, loads of little polys in there.

Thanks allot! yeah gonna revise it some more!

Samfisher84 · May 2012

Was trying to bake a height map but why is is turning out like this. Looks like its hard edges but its not. Probably dont need a hightmap on this section but dont get this?

Steve Schulze · May 2012

I don't see any reason to use a height map here at all. You just need to bake yourself a normal map. I'd cut a bit more detail into the buttoned part of the cushion beforehand though. You could probably get away without doing it, but there'll be angles where it'll be noticeable.

My parents have a couch just like this one. I look forward to seeing it textured.

Samfisher84 · May 2012

my idea was to use disp map or heightmap for the buttoned part.

Jackablade wrote: »

I don't see any reason to use a height map here at all. You just need to bake yourself a normal map. I'd cut a bit more detail into the buttoned part of the cushion beforehand though. You could probably get away without doing it, but there'll be angles where it'll be noticeable.

My parents have a couch just like this one. I look forward to seeing it textured.

sltrOlsson · May 2012

Ah, I've missed the HP update. Looks super! Great job! First of, I think that you should add some stitches to the front, if you do that in PS or ZB is pretty much no difference. Lite [HP], the density of the legs and wooden parts is to high. I would match the wood detail with the cloth part in the front, remove all the edges that's not contributing to the silhouette on that top wooden part, try to match the overall density of the wooden parts with the overall density of the cloth.

Samfisher84 · May 2012

Thanks allot! there are a few stiches i tried getting in the HP there but. You mean the ornamental thing?

sltrOlsson wrote: »

Ah, I've missed the HP update. Looks super! Great job! First of, I think that you should add some stitches to the front, if you do that in PS or ZB is pretty much no difference. Lite [HP], the density of the legs and wooden parts is to high. I would match the wood detail with the cloth part in the front, remove all the edges that's not contributing to the silhouette on that top wooden part, try to match the overall density of the wooden parts with the overall density of the cloth.

sltrOlsson · May 2012

Yeah the ornament.. And I thought about the displacementmap, it looks like that. It's cause of the lowpoly, try to get it into marmoset, you'll see that it works..

Samfisher84 · May 2012

sltrOlsson wrote: »

Yeah the ornament.. And I thought about the displacementmap, it looks like that. It's cause of the lowpoly, try to get it into marmoset, you'll see that it works..

so its kind of suppose to look like that?

sltrOlsson · May 2012

yep

Or well, it's to dark.. You can fix that in xnormal when you render..

Steve Schulze · May 2012

I think in most modern engines you're actually going to cause more of a memory hit from the extra texture pass of having the displacement map than by cutting in a few hundred extra polys and just having a normal map.

Samfisher84 · May 2012

sltrOlsson wrote: »

Yeah the ornament.. And I thought about the displacementmap, it looks like that. It's cause of the lowpoly, try to get it into marmoset, you'll see that it works..

Tried it in marmorset but dont get any displacement at all, flat as just with a normal

sltrOlsson · May 2012

What graphics card do you have? And yeah, like Jackblade said, it's not really any point in using real displacement mapping for something like this, parallax bump offset though. Try to put it into the normals alpha and tick parallax offset in marmoset.

An other idea would be to present it in Cryengine 3. The parallax occlusion is pretty rad in there..

Darkleopard · May 2012

Looks fantastic! Cant wait for the texture

Samfisher84 · May 2012

I got a Geforce 8800 GTS 512, used to have two

. Now i see it needs DX11 to work, thats that. Parallax didnt add much at all. Does that require DX11 in cryengine too?

sltrOlsson · May 2012

Yeah, that's why.. I actually don't know. I don't think so, for tesselation to work it's needed.. Don't know about parallax occlusion though..

Samfisher84 · May 2012

sltrOlsson wrote: »

Yeah, that's why.. I actually don't know. I don't think so, for tesselation to work it's needed.. Don't know about parallax occlusion though..

How different is it really compared with marmorset?

sltrOlsson · May 2012

The self shadowing parallax? The main thing is that it's self shadowing, it cast shadows. It also occlude it self, meaning that you can's see the other side of a stone for example. It very cool..

Samfisher84 · May 2012

Trying to bake some ambient occlusion but some polys just dont wanna be in it????

sltrOlsson · May 2012

Flipped normals? Flipped UVs? 5-sided polygons? Do a clean up, the box, chack your normal directions and check the UVs with the overlapping thingy turned on.

Btw, the ornament now looks really clunky? Is it the same mesh as the fabric? I would, and I actually just did, keep them as separate meshes, combining them in the export later. Because fabric and wood is so different from each other it will be hard to mimic the right feel for both of them. Also, and I'm talking CE3 perspective here, you can have different detail normalmaps if you split them, play around with the settings for cloth that CE3 have built in and so on.

Do you still trying to figure it out? I'm constantly sitting with it at the moment so just drop a line somewhere and I'll try to help, if you want to

Samfisher84 · May 2012

Finally got something on there, just tried some patterns on so see.

letronrael · May 2012

I would not put a pattern for the texture. I would just put a flat color and the texture definition

Samfisher84 · May 2012

why would you choose just a color? any specific reasons?

letronrael wrote: »

I would not put a pattern for the texture. I would just put a flat color and the texture definition

Victorian couch WIP

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