3DSMax 2011
polycount lvl 666
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Some interesting changes are afoot.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9GqXUY4ff4[/ame]Some interesting changes are afoot.
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...again
Re: Object painting, I've used better since Max 8, if you're going to copy something that's been done half a dozen times already do it right.
Re: Caddies, give it a rest already. There is so much broken crap that needs fixing.
from what i can tell that's the shit that's staying.. kiss your modifier panel on the right bye bye
I hope not..
Caddies? So is a caddy just like the option box without the box and it lingers? That's, um... Yeah, no. I don't know what to make of that.
Damn.
Ribbon.
mainly because of performance, clusterfuck and icon only interface (to many to learn and remember).
I removed that shit here, because its only in the way and I bind the important stuff anyway to shortcuts.
So until they can't fix performance and clean up the horrible mess in the interface/ performance because of the big big soup of 3rd party inclusions.
Autodesk should adress some general issues 3dsmax has instead of adding these silly features that make the whole thing even slower.
Why? Because it requires the plug-ins to have to be recompiled for each release and if Im not mistaken, the person has to have that release to recompile to. Correct?
Brought to you by the same guys who invented the viewport cube, steering wheel, file button etc.
The rest are rebranded scripts.
It's just like in politics. They just do something crazy and tell you "Hey Look! We did something!" because it's a heck lot easier than tackling the real problems
And the yearly update thing...what other reason is there than raking in even more money? Max 2009 works fine here and I didn't even get 2010 to run properly yet...or is there a pattern that even release numbers don't work?
No one is forcing you to update to the latest version , and if they do and it causes slow down in the workflow due to it , then it should be reported to the proper person at the studio.
No one is forcing you to update to the latest version , and if they do and it causes slow down in the workflow due to it , then it should be reported to the proper person at the studio.
p.s - love the new buggy polycount !
Here are some notes on excalibur:
http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/ken/excalibur_xbr_notes
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Here are some notes on excalibur:
http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/ken/excalibur_xbr_notes
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In on the viewcube hatewagon, but the ribbon I like.
Polycount is going mental
well it tends to be a problem when they forget to service older version of max. "Hey thanks for for finally fixing that bug, where can we download the service pa....wait I gotta buy a brand new version?!?"
I hate the ribbon but like the viewcube... Not that stupid ass steering wheel though!
Anyway, I think I'll stay with 2010 until a service pack or 2 hits this, then it will work close to how it's supposed too :P
Horizontal layout wise, the ribbon has eaten up like 20% of the portion, and then we got toolbar, menubar, timeline, properties, and that add up, leaving less than 50% of viewport portion. I believe most people are working in wide screen monitor now, so why are they squeezing again instead of making it vertical (or is there an option to make ribbon vertical?).
And to make things more happening, we still have viewcube and steering wheel.
Horizontal layout wise, the ribbon has eaten up like 20% of the portion, and then we got toolbar, menubar, timeline, properties, and that add up, leaving less than 50% of viewport portion. I believe most people are working in wide screen monitor now, so why are they squeezing again instead of making it vertical (or is there an option to make ribbon vertical?).
And to make things more happening, we still have viewcube and steering wheel.
I heard that rumor too... that they couldn't get it bug-free in time for release so they stripped it, hence the anemic feature list in 2010.
Yeah, I heard this too, if it's true that'd be awesome. It's already pretty flexible with MEL, but QT would make it a lot more powerful, kinda like the .NET stuff in Max but more ubiquitous.
As for max 2011... meh. There has been absolutely nothing I wanted added since Max 2008 that I couldn't get through custom scripts which have been around for years.
And as mentioned it seems like they've just really cluttered up the interface and made the whole thing slower instead of streamlining and cleaning everything up.
Whoever's behind these decisions at Autodesk is doing a terrible job...
As for this latest one, the painting tools look tempting but only because Adobe haven't perfected the 3d side yet, maybe CS5 will win here?
Lastly, I know it's a trend to push out newer versions earlier and earlier and I suppose it does help in the longrun so possible flaws can get uncovered ahead of time but it's worrying knowing that your version can become obsolete much more quickly.
Then after we have a stable functioning release that's not broken, put together some time into meaningful, well thought out updates. Stop with the tiny baby steps that break more than they help, its clearly just aimed at milking the subscription clients for money and hoping they don't drop it, its hurting the software and its hurting their business.
As for the ribbon I don't mind it if 3 things happened:
1) Clean up the vertical version there is way too much wasted space between the buttons which causes scrolling it can all easily fit on screen. Clearly they only use and test it in Horiz compacted mode so why bother including the other methods if they're going to be broken?
2) Cut out the lag. It takes as little as 1 second and as many as 15 when I launch it for the first time. I pause and think could I manually select every other edge or is dot ring really going to save me that much time after I wait for GMT to launch?
3) Give us an option to turn off the giant pop up tutorials, seriously I know how the tools work stop treating me like I'm learning.
People still buy it though. Some change to other packages, but studios would still buy the new release, and there are plenty of new buyers breaking into the industry.
It would be interesting to see their sales (not happening) on a chart. I don't really think it hurts their sales much, but it hurts conscious users and goes against common sense.
Yes, infact, didn't we have a thread about that very subject just a week or two ago? Suppose if they listen (doubtful) we wont see anything till max2012: Doomsday edition
We all know that's never going to happen, sadly. Its not like it matters to them seeing as their closest competition for standard 3d apps is Modo and Blender. If they had some incentives for their different teams (Max/Maya/XSI) to compete with one another then we'd probably see some neat stuff.
Agreed, I cant use the ribbon for this reason, so incredably annoying.
with multiple references to the same tools everywhere, and deprecated tools mixed in, that
new users simply doesn't know where to start, or what to use.
i've taught Max to a few people and trimming down the interface is the first thing i do before i try teaching them how it works.
And Houdini. I'm sorry, but I don't think thats getting enough credit these days. Especially the value and price compared to Autodesks's monopoly of buggy and expensive releases.
Who wants to put money on them fucking up with the caddies, though? Maybe just something small, like inconsistencies, for instance: Not having rmb reset the values, as it does everywhere else in Max. That really has always been their strong point, throwing shit at max, without any thought to consistency and streamlining.
I hope they integrate Polyboost into the toolbox, rather than having tools on the right AND on the horizontal ribbon (I'm on the hate-bandwagon too, although mostly due to its slow reaction and the fact it's horizontal... wtf?)
edit: "Yes, we could have built a new codebase from the ground-up, but we'd prefer to bring you all along with us on this journey instead of forcing you to "abandon ship" because we started from scratch with an application that was new and shiny but didn't quite solve any real problems for you"
HAHAHAHAHhahahahahahah
heh.
Agree... Softimage is hands down faster than both its bigger siblings. We run Maya,Max here and Softimage and to be honest I try to avoid using Max 2010 and Maya 2010 at all costs.
Softimage never seems to get in the limelight Autodesk needs to remarket that app, it is equally a great modelling app and has always been given this strange tainting as being only good at animations and particles. If you are looking to run from the ribbon I would really suggest having a look at Softimage it rocks!