WoW Cataclysm: Gilneas Building.

Mazvix · Dec 2009

Hello everyone,

I need new eyes on the silhouette and also how close it is to the concept.
After I am happy with the model I will post the textures later, have to work out a color scheme, the ones on the Cataclysm screenshots are dull in terms of color scheme. But they fit the mood well for the starting area, but I doubt this will work the same way ( in terms of the same color pallete) It wouldn't look good when it is by itself imo. Let me know what you guys think.

Thanks for the support

chadabees · Dec 2009

It's looking good so far to me. The only thing I notice is those lantern things on the sides of the door seem a little long in your version. I had my eye on this concept to model or the other building they have up there. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

turpedo · Dec 2009

The chimney looks really straight and maybe a little too thick. Try to add the wonky feel to a lot of your straight edges. It will give it a much better silhouette, especially if you're going for the WoW look.

Mazvix · Dec 2009

Chadabees: I agree on the lantern, I was afraid from a distance they might not be noticeable, they are a bit too long.

turpedo: hey man, good to hear from you. I agree on everything you said, thanks. I will re-post with the changes.

What about the color pallete? Do you think I should go for the Worgen area, or create my own?

Wilex · Dec 2009

I would thicken up the wood fraiming a bit and yeah keep adding little tweaks so its not 90 degree angles everywhere or straight lines really.

For the color pallete change it to what type of story you want to tell. When you see the city they've made you can tell right away they're going for this sad kind of foreboding story. If you think you can do it with more interesting colors or want to do something different then go for it.

Mazvix · Dec 2009

Proportion update.

I am pleased with it, I will post a color pallette/ paintover tonight and then go from there.

Quack! · Dec 2009

Those silhouette changes you made added a ton of character to the piece. Nice update! Looking forward to more.

dinfet · Dec 2009

Good changes you made, I can't wait to see how you color this bad boy.

Ayro · Dec 2009

I like it but everything looks too perfectly straight. In Warcraft everything seems to have a slight lean to it, unless it's a castle or something.

Dippndots · Dec 2009

looks cool, you gonna do hand painted textures?

ralusek · Dec 2009

Dippndots wrote: »

looks cool, you gonna do hand painted textures?

he better.....................................................................................................................................
WE ARE EXPECTING HAND PAINTED TEXTURES

samgriffiths · Dec 2009

I'd remove that very sharp end to the roof, perhaps chamfer it instead?

iWeReZ · Dec 2009

Number 1, The things look bent, rather then curved.
Number 2, the edges are too straight, needs to be more crooked.
same with number 3.

Mazvix · Dec 2009

Hey guys,

Life has taken me away from art this entire week, and the internet stopped working for the entire neighborhood :S

-Yes it is going to be hand painted offcourse lol- it is WoW

Updates: Decided to go with this color palette-

jacob07777 · Dec 2009

The texture is looking really nice on those shingles, but with the 100% illumination on it right now the parts on the sides of the roof where you tried to break up the silhoette arent quite reading right. Like i said it might be that there are no shadows, but you could prolly just get away with tossing some planes ontop of your initial model to create some breaks along the side of the rooftop there and it wouldnt add too many more poly's to the building either. It will give it a more natural feel to the whole roof shingles anyways

Also looks like your UV's may be a little squashed at the top bevel on the building.

Can't wait to see some updates.

Dippndots · Dec 2009

awesome color choices, roof texture looks great, the only thing i would change would be to offset the roof tiles vertically a bit, as it is right now, you can follow the shingles around the roof in a perfect loop

Slum · Dec 2009

The texture sheet looks nice - but on the model it's hard to read. I would use some broader hilights and more pronounced shadows (but not too dark!). Interesting thing about the WoW art style is broad strokes on environments. The little pen-sharp hilight edges look cool, but IMO the whole texture should be held up by much broader shading to help it read from a distance.

Rokkx · Dec 2009

I agree with dippndots, the colors you choice are very nice :]
good job so far

Tom Ellis · Dec 2009

I don't want to crit this because I've just had a look at your website and was blown away by your other pieces, incredible work and it all went straight in my inspiration folder!

If I'm brutally honest, I think you could knock the purple tone back very slightly. I like the variation it adds but the way it's tiled, it stands out too much I think. As a whole, the texture/colour palette looks nice, but I think if you toned down the purple and then boosted the overall levels a bit, it might look nicer.

Also, is the roof unwrap final? I know it's tricky with that roof shape but the tiles aren't aligned quite right on the hips. I guess it's a tradeoff with texture distortion though.

Looking forward to seeing this develop!

bounchfx · Dec 2009

the texture is painted nicely, but if that is the exact texture you're applying to the model as well... may I ask why there's tiling within the texture itself, instead of letting the UV's handle that? It seems redundant to have a texture of 'x' size and repeating parts in it, unless you plan on cutting it down to a quarter of it so it's just the unique space, or painting over some of the roof parts so they're more unique, it's just a waste of texture space.

looks great though, but that just came to my mind.

Tom Ellis · Dec 2009

Bounchfx, you make a good point and that would lead me to believe he has just stuck the tiling texture on there for examples sake, which would explain the hip seams I mentioned.

Mazvix · Dec 2009

Hello everyone,

Thanks for all your comments and positive support

As creation22 mentioned, this is a WIP so not really worth the time to refix every UV space. It is for show's sake really.

On the other hand I agree with most of the things you guys said. I am not sure if I want to Uniquely UV everything or just apply tileable texture to certain areas and go from there, just like how Blizz does it with WoW buildings. I know if I uv it all and make it all unique spaces I will for sure have more control over the entire thing, but at the same time you might not see the detail from this distance.

I create tileable texture for practice and saves time if I decide to manually relay it ontop of the Unique uv, because you will end up stacking layers next to one another with zero seams.

Updates: 'forgot to thicken highlights, sorry!'

I personally think there is way too much tiling going on, not sure if it is working atm. Might actually have to put pieces together in a unique UV afterall...Tell me what you think (yes, lighting is flat atm- for show purpose not final

)

Mazvix · Dec 2009

Edit: if I get a good handcount, I will post a tutorial for handpainted if you guys are interested, let me know. Thanks!

DarthNater · Dec 2009

Please do. I need to work on handpainting textures. I'm sick of making 'realistic' ones

DLoud · Dec 2009

seconded

tinokun · Dec 2009

*raises hand*

BrodyB · Dec 2009

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Raises hand

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Tom Ellis · Dec 2009

*raises both hands*

oobersli · Dec 2009

so what material are the shingles made out of? doesn't really seem like wood, and pretty clean and smooth for metal. Also they seem pretty thin. My first reaction is rigid sheet metal.

I think if you painted the purple tile a bit more to match the rest in color it would help with the tiling. They really pop out and show the obvious tiling more than anything. I don't really play wow anymore and not much into that style so I could be wrong on it all.

ne ways, its looking good.

Stertman · Dec 2009

tuts please=)

Medestruit · Dec 2009

oobersli wrote: »

so what material are the shingles made out of? doesn't really seem like wood, and pretty clean and smooth for metal. Also they seem pretty thin. My first reaction is rigid sheet metal.

I think if you painted the purple tile a bit more to match the rest in color it would help with the tiling. They really pop out and show the obvious tiling more than anything. I don't really play wow anymore and not much into that style so I could be wrong on it all.

ne ways, its looking good.

They would appear to be more slate than metal, since I honestly have never in my life seen a metal shingle or roof(outside of tin roofing on houses, or aluminum/corrugated aluminum on industrial complexes).

Dippndots · Dec 2009

looking good man, the scale of the chimney texture seems a little too large compared to the roof texture, scale it down a smidgen?

r4ptur3 · Dec 2009

*silently and slowly raises hand*

willy-wilson · Dec 2009

*raises hand*

Gannon · Dec 2009

I really like how clean those hand painted textures are coming out. Please tut away. My only crit against them is like somebody else said the scale, and there's way too much mortar visible. Other then that it's pretty shweet.

Jon Rush · Dec 2009

Looking great! Maybe a little too 'clean' for WoW textures.. although definitely on the right track.

Keep us posted!

Justin Meisse · Dec 2009

are those flats the exact texture or did you take the texture and do a fill just to show how it repeated? If those are the flats, you should paint everything a little more uniquely to avoid obvious tiling... if those aren't the flats, ignore me.

Quack! · Dec 2009

*Raises all 3 hands*

Looks good, although I think you could add more fine details into the texture without detracting from the style.

Nice use of colors for the shadows.

Marnik · Dec 2009

*raises eyebrow*

Damn! I wish I saw this thread earlier. I'm loving it so far, but there's one really small thing that's bothering me. In the concept, the sides of the stairs aren't as long as they are in yours. I think that the fact that they're short and stubby adds a good bit of character, but that's just me being nit-picky.

So on that note, Badabababaaaa I'm lovin' it ^_~

Mazvix · Dec 2009

Hello Guys,

thanks for your support. I will go ahead and finish the tutorial.

I will fix the stairs, the mortar is done like that on purpose- I saw a chimney close to that in WoW. As for the fine details if you notice in the renders from that distance even if the shingles are a bit large, they just wont show. Yes, it definately will make the texture sheets look prettier but as far as this project not worth the time, unless offcourse I change my mind.

I will keep you posted.

Diwan · Dec 2009

PLEASE post some handpainted tuts! I really dig the textures, good work!

Pbcrazy · Dec 2009

*Raises hands and feet*

I love hand painted textures, however trying to figure out how to do them on my own is... tedious

The roofing is my favorite so far

Keep it up, I can't wait to see the final or tutorial!

Mazvix · Dec 2009

As promised:

Tutorial Release!

download link: http://uploading.com/files/8ed7mf24/HandPainted_Tutorial.pdf/

I appologize that it was not a video, did not really have time. Did something modest to give back as the community has given me tons! Enjoy, tell me what you think.

bugo · Dec 2009

Tutorial looks great, thanks for sharing!
One thing you could have done is to cross the edges to tile it better, it wouldn't show the squared space where you painted.
Indeed awesome painting skills. Matching quite nice WoW style.

Jojones · Dec 2009

Dude awesome Tutorial! Serious thanks! btw the structure is turning out great can't wait for the update

s0id3 · Dec 2009

paintings turning pretty good, but the roof tiles feel really flat, add more lights and darks to give it depth. Also the grout for the chimney is a solid color, with no variation or details...

Tom Ellis · Dec 2009

Many thanks for the tutorial, it will be a great help!

Rhinokey · Dec 2009

i personaly think you shoulda stuck closer to the bricks on the concept for the chimney, the one syou have are way large and do not fit well with the mesh.

AnimeAngel · Dec 2009

great tut! thanks! and progress here is looking good, but I have to agree with Rhinokey on the chimney bricks. A smaller brick would be much better imo

Mazvix · Dec 2009

I still have a lot to learn, thanks for all your honesty and input. I did forget to add the variations in the grout, sorry about that. I have a better version of the roof that I have not posted yet. As for the chimney, you guys might be right. It is fine at this point I can always re do it.

I appreciate all your honesty, I hope the tutorial helped give you guys a jump start and the rest is on your own

Em. · Dec 2009

Hey Mazvix, are you trying to mimic WoW's style in the textures or are you doing your own thing?

Right now they seem much tighter and less painty than WoW's texture style. I'm having a hard time finding the exact images for an example via googling. Have you looked at the WoW model viewer before? It's pretty helpful for picking the stuff apart. Good stuff overall, keep it up!

WoW Cataclysm: Gilneas Building.

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