WHAT THE FUCK ARE STEVE JOBS AND MARK ZUCKERBERG DOING ON THAT GOD DAMN LIST GODFUCKDAMNSHITPISSTITSMUNCHASSFUCKFUCKTITSGRAARR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
iPhone and Facebook games. While you may not like it they have recently attracted a huge group of people that previously would never have played video games. I'm personally not sure they belong on that list but you can't deny that over the last few years they've had a huge impact in casual gaming.
so what we're saying here, is that the inventor of the oven should be named the most influencial chef of all time, even if they never actually cooked anything?
so what we're saying here, is that the inventor of the oven should be named the most influencial chef of all time, even if they never actually cooked anything?
i'd say the only influential person working at Valve is a man named Robin Walker.
Because, back in 1996, that class based teamy thing was a hell of an influence. He deserves a lot more credit for influence than Gabe Newell, and i'm not even counting TFC or TF2.
If they want to say that Stove Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg were hugely influential for creating platforms for games, then they might as well add the inventor of the television and the PC as well.
Can someone please summarize it, I can't see the article past my shitty facebook games and crappy app store purchases... oh wait no... its not me who's blinded by that shit...
Steve looked down on the gaming community from what I recall hazily (not sure, but I'm sure that gaming wasn't his goal for his platform), and Mark didn't do anything other then to set up a platform from where people made rip-off games run on budget.
Carmack led the entire graphics/gameplay dichotomy.
Gabe showed that there is nothing wrong with SP games.
Shigeru Miyamoto made our childhood hero.
Sid amped up the the meaning of Deity' games.
Peter started the entire 'Good vs. Evil' paths a player could choose.
This is so much crap, why are two individuals who never even acknowledged or commented about the 'gaming' platform and how it could be improved getting credit? I honestly hope people who answered this so called questionnaire are mainly Facebook users with the lifestyle of a gnat, because it's pretty shocking that someone as famous as Mario, or hell, even Angry Birds creators didn't get the top few spots.
I loved that Apple ended up essentially accidentally changing and influencing the gaming industry to a fucking insane degree. And yet all those times when they claimed they were going to change gaming with their Mac events and announcements it didn't really change a thing.
Also... do note that any of these lists always contain the latest and coolest things. It's like when you see those "Greatest Album" lists, and you see the regulars fill up their positions and then always some random new album. Just whatever was popular that year.
Not that I'm saying that I don't think Steve and the iPhone don't deserve a place. But maybe in a few years (decades) people will be more level headed about it.
EDIT: Wait, where's the PlayStation Vita?! That thing is sure to rock the industry, get it on there now in advance. :poly125:
The problem here is the use of the word influential...its very vague really. These guys learned how to make lots of money from games. They didn't influence gaming as a culture, movement or technology... but they certainly did as an industry. They figured out how to monetize it really well..which in turn had some residual impacts on gaming.
If you ask money guys who has had the biggest influence on gaming, of course they will answer the guys who changed how we make money from games the most. They are being completely ignorant of all the other facets of gaming....not surprising.
I think the list is rather meaningless. Replacing Solitaire with Farm-ville is not that big of an influence in gaming. Executives like how it earns money though, obviously.
to quote our dear carmack, who obviously did not influence gaming in a single noteworthy way:
The truth is Steve Jobs doesn't care about games. This is going to be one of those things that I say something in an interview and it gets fed back to him and I'm on his s***head list for a while on that, until he needs me to do something else there. But I think that that's my general opinion. He's not a gamer. It's difficult to ask somebody to get behind something they don't really believe in. I mean obviously he believes in the music and the iTunes and that whole side of things, and the media side of things, and he gets it and he pushes it and they do wonderful things with that, but he's not a gamer. That's just the bottom line about it.
These lists are always wrong and nobody agrees with them - but they accomplish their job which is to get a link passed around, lots of clicks, and ad revenue. A list that was accurate that nobody took issue with wouldn't be worth writing.
My similar recent favourite list was '30 under 30' 2011 for Video Game Development - supposedly acknowledgement of 'game developments most prominant rising stars'.
Not a single actual developer made that list with the exception of one producer - it was almost exclusively marketing, PR and journalists.
The iphone shaped video gaming....wtf. Thats just a llist of the top things that made RECENT gaming more accessible. But they didn't "shape" video gaming
Next list would be greatest game of all time
1. angry birds
2. Zinga poker
3. Farmville
4. Tetris
5. The sims
honourable mention = Doom
Both lists are bullcrap!
Wheres the NES, The amiga, Gameboy, The Binatone, Atari 2600, ZXspectrum, BBC basic, C++, etc
so what we're saying here, is that the inventor of the oven should be named the most influencial chef of all time, even if they never actually cooked anything?
How about bushnell? and Mark Z? Did he ever create a game, or just create the platform that let people place their games on? All those facebook games could easily be on a different website.
THe iphone is an over priced toy for Hipster teenage girls who cant use the oh so complicated yet extremely simple UI of an Android phone.How did it make that list?!?! Id put Monopoly before that thing. The DS's and PSP's or GBA are the ones that shaped gaming on the go because there made for gaming on the go not a perverted auto correcting defect device rigged to shatter with one drop
The Wii doesn't really belong in second on the second list either the 64 and GC are still better. In many ways for me
Who's ever opinion they asked when making the list probably just blerted out Jobs, without second though because of his passing.
Nintendo and Sony and every team that had games developed under there consoles had a big impact on shaping gaming in my life. Theres no saying any exact names because it takes a team to bring epic to the table.
Well, you can't deny that the iPhone completely revolutionized the cell phone gaming market.
This was a list compiled by game industry executives they don't care about people who made eye bleeding graphics that appealed to the niche hardcore gaming market - they care about expanding into untapped markets and making money.
THe iphone is an over priced toy for Hipster teenage girls who cant use the oh so complicated yet extremely simple UI of an Android phone.How did it make that list?!?!
The differences between an iPhone and an Android phone are paper thin at best. I'm not sure what this is about other than misdirected Apple rage.
so what we're saying here, is that the inventor of the oven should be named the most influencial chef of all time, even if they never actually cooked anything?
The list doesn't ask who's the most influencial developer so your chef analogy doesn't quite fit. It's more like saying the inventor of the oven is the most influencial person in cooking. Except oven is a bit generous, probably more like the George Foreman Grill.
Regardless of what he thought of games (you don't need to be doing shit intentionally to have an impact) the fact is that the iphone/itunes opened up a new market to developers and helped rebirth indie game dev. It's effects on the gaming industry have been undeniable.
I agree it's kind of retarded to reward a platform because you could probably just keep retracing shit all the way back to the discovery of electricity or even further than that if you wanted. But if that's the metric we're going by then steam is just a distribution platform like iTunes, you could easily argue that had no impact on the gaming industry either when we all know full well it has.
Edit: Also I'm pretty sure the list would have come out radically different if they had asked actual develoeprs and not "industry execs"
so what we're saying here, is that the inventor of the oven should be named the most influencial chef of all time, even if they never actually cooked anything?
Well it created a whole category of cooking, of coarse the earliest oven is from 29,000 BC so we don't know who invented it.
Well, you can't deny that the iPhone completely revolutionized the cell phone gaming market.
There you have it, that's the award that should have been given out, and not to jobs himself, but whoever pushed for games on iphone when jobs himself probably wasn't into the whole idea of the iphone being a games console at first.
There are so many developers, so many brilliant people that with games pushed hardware-developers to push hardware further, developers that completely influenced how the hardware that now is in the iphone and similar devices developed.
There would be a games industry without the iphone, but without these developers and the hardware that was made for gaming, there wouldn't have been an iphone.
No, it's not just a list. It's public perception of what games are, what games have been and what games can be. It's about people reading this and taking it for fact. It's also giving Steve Jobs supernatural, saint like proportions.. Which to be honest, is not true -- Oh the man who didn't do jack shit for games, didn't care or foster any form of gaming entertainment on his hugely successful platforms all of a sudden turned into gaming messiah? Give me a break.
No, it's not just a list. It's public perception of what games are, what games have been and what games can be. It's about people reading this and taking it for fact. It's also giving Steve Jobs supernatural, saint like proportions.. Which to be honest, is not true -- Oh the man who didn't do jack shit for games, didn't care or foster any form of gaming entertainment on his hugely successful platforms all of a sudden turned into gaming messiah? Give me a break.
Skankers right. Move on and go get your panties in a bunch over things that matter. Like people who use anything but mustard as their condiment on sandwiches.
"It's just a list" is not really true. It's really a window into how a specific segment of the population views gaming. That's pretty valuable information to anyone interested in how gaming is perceived or the condition of the industry they work in.
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iPhone and Facebook games. While you may not like it they have recently attracted a huge group of people that previously would never have played video games. I'm personally not sure they belong on that list but you can't deny that over the last few years they've had a huge impact in casual gaming.
Maybe Oregon Trail on Apple ][s too
BUT NOT ANGRY BIRDS AND THE IPHONE
a man that cant porgram games and loevs the 360. he hates pc see: rage where its broken 100%</idiot>
Basically, yeah.
Tim Sweeny deserves to be on that list along with Carmack.
Edit.. don't forget Warren Spector either. Guy is a genius.
Because, back in 1996, that class based teamy thing was a hell of an influence. He deserves a lot more credit for influence than Gabe Newell, and i'm not even counting TFC or TF2.
If they want to say that Stove Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg were hugely influential for creating platforms for games, then they might as well add the inventor of the television and the PC as well.
I respect Jobs for his influence on mobile media devices, but that list is a load of bollocks.
Carmack led the entire graphics/gameplay dichotomy.
Gabe showed that there is nothing wrong with SP games.
Shigeru Miyamoto made our childhood hero.
Sid amped up the the meaning of Deity' games.
Peter started the entire 'Good vs. Evil' paths a player could choose.
This is so much crap, why are two individuals who never even acknowledged or commented about the 'gaming' platform and how it could be improved getting credit? I honestly hope people who answered this so called questionnaire are mainly Facebook users with the lifestyle of a gnat, because it's pretty shocking that someone as famous as Mario, or hell, even Angry Birds creators didn't get the top few spots.
Also... do note that any of these lists always contain the latest and coolest things. It's like when you see those "Greatest Album" lists, and you see the regulars fill up their positions and then always some random new album. Just whatever was popular that year.
Not that I'm saying that I don't think Steve and the iPhone don't deserve a place. But maybe in a few years (decades) people will be more level headed about it.
EDIT: Wait, where's the PlayStation Vita?! That thing is sure to rock the industry, get it on there now in advance. :poly125:
If you ask money guys who has had the biggest influence on gaming, of course they will answer the guys who changed how we make money from games the most. They are being completely ignorant of all the other facets of gaming....not surprising.
Not a single actual developer made that list with the exception of one producer - it was almost exclusively marketing, PR and journalists.
The 2010 list was pretty good, however.
Next list would be greatest game of all time
1. angry birds
2. Zinga poker
3. Farmville
4. Tetris
5. The sims
honourable mention = Doom
Both lists are bullcrap!
Wheres the NES, The amiga, Gameboy, The Binatone, Atari 2600, ZXspectrum, BBC basic, C++, etc
p.s. I hate list that aren't my lists!
Exactly..
How about bushnell? and Mark Z? Did he ever create a game, or just create the platform that let people place their games on? All those facebook games could easily be on a different website.
The Wii doesn't really belong in second on the second list either the 64 and GC are still better. In many ways for me
Who's ever opinion they asked when making the list probably just blerted out Jobs, without second though because of his passing.
Nintendo and Sony and every team that had games developed under there consoles had a big impact on shaping gaming in my life. Theres no saying any exact names because it takes a team to bring epic to the table.
Steve jobs never cared for games, it was pure luck that iphone ended up being very famous for games.
This was a list compiled by game industry executives they don't care about people who made eye bleeding graphics that appealed to the niche hardcore gaming market - they care about expanding into untapped markets and making money.
well well well ....
easy ...,
don't vote your competitor ....
Regardless of what he thought of games (you don't need to be doing shit intentionally to have an impact) the fact is that the iphone/itunes opened up a new market to developers and helped rebirth indie game dev. It's effects on the gaming industry have been undeniable.
I agree it's kind of retarded to reward a platform because you could probably just keep retracing shit all the way back to the discovery of electricity or even further than that if you wanted. But if that's the metric we're going by then steam is just a distribution platform like iTunes, you could easily argue that had no impact on the gaming industry either when we all know full well it has.
Edit: Also I'm pretty sure the list would have come out radically different if they had asked actual develoeprs and not "industry execs"
Well it created a whole category of cooking, of coarse the earliest oven is from 29,000 BC so we don't know who invented it.
There you have it, that's the award that should have been given out, and not to jobs himself, but whoever pushed for games on iphone when jobs himself probably wasn't into the whole idea of the iphone being a games console at first.
There are so many developers, so many brilliant people that with games pushed hardware-developers to push hardware further, developers that completely influenced how the hardware that now is in the iphone and similar devices developed.
There would be a games industry without the iphone, but without these developers and the hardware that was made for gaming, there wouldn't have been an iphone.
Middle school girls make lists of the hottest boy in school.
I see this no differently.
No, it's not just a list. It's public perception of what games are, what games have been and what games can be. It's about people reading this and taking it for fact. It's also giving Steve Jobs supernatural, saint like proportions.. Which to be honest, is not true -- Oh the man who didn't do jack shit for games, didn't care or foster any form of gaming entertainment on his hugely successful platforms all of a sudden turned into gaming messiah? Give me a break.
Because even this list couldn't bring the mac up there as a gaming platform
it's just a list.
take a deep breath and walk away.