Cintiq 24HD
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So I'm gonna sell my arms for this. What do you guys think?
So I'm gonna sell my arms for this. What do you guys think?
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So....many.....buttons.....
I will find a way to get one. Thank god it's my 10 year wedding anniversary this year
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/18/wacom-cintiq-24hd-approved-by-fcc-makes-us-wish-we-went-to-art/
Do want to see a price, though.
The domain name isn't registered Wacom and the device is not mentioned anywhere on their site. Doesn't make it 100% fake, but certainly raises an eyebrow.
It's not "Higher Definition" either - the 21UX already had 1200 lines, this one is just wider.
I'm not liking the MTBF of 20000 hours which seems a bit short given how much I'd end up using it.
Considering you get rid of a tablet it seems like a good thing.
I couldn't find reaction time of current cintiqs but I've tried them and it's really noticeable. That lag is a big detractor for me. I don't know how 13ms compares. Does anyone know what the current models sport?
As for lag I wouldn't worry too much about it as there really isn't any on the black 21UX. And even if there was ... it wouldn't be caused by the screen response time, since mouse movements or windows menus are not "laggy" on cintiqs.
There are desk with the keyboard slider you know? Not next to it but under neath the computer desk is good. If you still want to debate (oh try fitting a keyboard next to it), go for it.
As for multitouch : it would be, indeed, huge. Artists familiar with paper handling end up rotating their sheet all the time, and even tho the Cintiqs come with a rotation-friendly stand and can be mounted on a flexible arm mount, it sometimes isn't enough - especially with photoshop Rotate Canvas tool being broken and barely usable. (as soon as you rotate the canvas, the smooth ctrl-spacebar zoom doesn't focus on the mouse pointer anymore...)
Usually one way to overcome this problem is to think of the Cintiq as a fixed canvas on an easel, as opposed to a light sheet of paper.
Nitewalker : yeah I can see how it could look trivial, but it really isnt ... These devices are awesome, but artists coming from a power user background with one hand on the Intuos and one hand on the keyboard can be very much thrown out by a Cintiq setup. It kindof forces you to adapt a loopsided posture, and finding something that works without destroying one's back can be very tricky. Some manage to totally switch to expresskeys, and somehow I wish I could, but letting go of the keyboard is tough for speed reasons. I actually ended up mounting a keyboard on the to edge of my work Cintiq just to be able to type properly without having to resort to crazy bent postures.
I am also currently trying to switch over to Touchstrips + mouse gestures for Photoshop use, it seems to work okay so far but it's not there yet.
Just wanted to point out that using these is not as simple as the sleek video makes it look. The guy painting the car is awfully slow, too...
Having multitouch feature wouldnt help the rotating problem, its up to adobe to fix the rotate canvas feature in their programs. And if they did, I would just macro a button that allows the artist to hold it down and move the canvas with the pen. No need to have two or more fingers/hands to make a simple gesture. Maybe there might be other stuff to take advantage of multitouch, but I can't think of any and never thought my cintiq was a nuicience without it.
I think I remember it working better on a macbook touch pad - maybe it would shake them into fixing it!
So, you cant have your left hand under the table, press the hot keys without looking and your cintiq slightly to the right side on the table. For Intuos 4 you can free your left hand if you require it for certain selections that require the pen's nib and , the dial can be accessed by the right hand. You can lay back and still work with this posture. You can also modify this posture if there are any buttons on the right side of the tablet.
It does require some getting used to but so far it worked out for me. If you want the keyboard to be visible to your sight, than yes I agree with you.
How did it go ??
I think I prefer the 21UX. Im still an 'Intuos guy' but I have no words left after they announced the price on this, I knew it wouldn't be cheap but wow. It doesn't look like you can rotate it judging by the mounting system in the pictures. I always thought this was a necessity, and one of the better features of the other Cintiq's.
As Pior mentioned, rotating the paper is such a fundamental part of 'natural' drawing, especially in industrial design. If you watch any decent industrial designer sketching, they turn their page constantly to draw straight lines and judging by the press shots they're using for this, it looks like that market is one of their primary targets.
I guess painters don't rotate their canvas but it still seems like a wild omission if it does indeed only pivot on the horizontal axis.
Hands-On:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/13/wacom-cintiq-24hd-hands-on-video/
More pixels please..
-Also, toutch strips.. hells no! I had to disable them on the Cintiq 12" because I kept accidentally swiping them with random parts of my arms when drawing or reaching for the keyboard :P The actual push-buttons on the 21" model and the Intuos 4´s is way better in my book.
Its kind of weird that I feel more "locked in" on a 1900x1200 24" monitor than I did back in 2001 when using a 1600x1200 non-wide Apple Tube monitor :P
I dont know why, but widescreen on a 22" or 24" monitor, and maya/max just feels so squished and claustrophobic :P (UI eating up too much of the screen i guess)
Recently tried maya running on a 27" imac the increase in screen res was shaaaaaaweeet.
Wouldn´t have thought it would make so much of a difference for me
Sadly over here, a 30" Dell monitor, is more expensive than a very workable 27" imac :P
Hell i could get two thunderbolt 27" apple cin-displays for the price of one 30" dell!
Here's to hoping the 21UX drops in price now. Then I would quite possibly sell someone else's first born to get one.
anyway, I don't see myself purchasing this one, besides the ridiculous price point, I have had some scratching issues with my current UX. and I doubt wacom finally has a cheap solution to fixing that issue (the current solution is taking out the glass pane, and re-coating it, which is very costly: about 300 to 400 dollars)
Its terrible but I wish Autodesk would release a competing product to photoshop :P
Take the draw quality from Sketchbook and implement a more grown up package to it.
... and it looks like the 21UX is "out of stock" and it will probably be a few days/weeks before the 3rd party retailers catch onto the new product and adjust their prices. Fingers crossed...
http://eu.shop.wacom.eu/Cintiq/Cintiq24HD 2.299 euros, although this includes VAT, not sure if that USD price also includes taxes.
I suppose it's just a luxury item, if you've got a few G's spare, why not?!
I mean, you could get one hell of a computer and a very nice IPS display as well as a conventional tablet for less money... heck you could get a fairly decent car for less money!
It's only about 2 weeks (or a month if you suck at negotiating salary) pay, that aint hard to swing.
worth the money.
But all I can say is, use one for a few hours then go back to your tablet, its like someone stole your thumbs. You adjust back fairly quickly but thoughts of the Cintiq never really leave you...
I also just remembered I have, and would drop that sort of money on a guitar without question, so I guess it's a similar situation.