(NSFW) Demons: A Personal Art Project using the UDK

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Hey there, my name is Paul Stratton, I'm a 3D artist, and I'm looking to break into the 'big leagues' of professional art. I've been floating between various projects for some time now, but rarely have I really shared them with the community. I've decided to start working on my personal portfolio, as the most recent entrees are nearly a year old at this point. I want to share the step-by-step work-log with the Polycount community (and others...). I've decided to go with a theme, in order to help streamline the work and to add a bit of style to the overall project. The goal? to have an assortment of models and environments suitable for interactive arts to use as portfolio centerpieces. The theme is based off of a now cancelled/shelved project centered around demons, hell, and the brutal society thereof.

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  • KazeoHin
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    THREAD REBOOT

    20-1-2014 begin working on new demon

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    21-1-2014

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    22-1-14 finishing up topology

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    26-1-14 Kurr inside UDK first pass

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    29-1-2014 update to kurr model inside UDK

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    30-1-2014 added gloss/sweat

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    30-1-2014 New demon sculpt

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    31-1-2014 Progress

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    2-2-2014 more detail

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    4-2-2014 Zbrush colouring

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    5-2-2014 Tellon inside UDK

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    9-2-2014 New gloss maps on Tellon

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  • Cexar
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    Looks promising! Being a demon I don't know if this applies but his muscles around his shoulder are strange. The biceps usually connects in the arm pits and the deltoid usually covers that certain area where his biceps are now. Then again, he's a demon and stuff so this might not apply!
  • SanderDL
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    Why did you hid those privates?

    Here at polycount we love them big ones :)
  • MainManiac
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    eh, 5 dicks are better than 1, and they werent even blurred :P

    good job so far
  • Clintus Maximus
    In fact you should replace the horns on his head with dicks lmao :poly124:
  • ZacD
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    ZacD interpolator
    You already have tits, just get the mods to add a nsfw tag and unblur everything.
  • Free_Fall
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    I want to see dem dicks boy
  • Piesandbombs
    I figured I should just not that Freud is a quack, but your reasoning is sound. ^_^
  • KazeoHin
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    Piesandbombs:
    I figured I should just not that Freud is a quack, but your reasoning is sound. ^_^
    Indeed, mostly he used his status and psychological knowledge to get up the skirts of young interns, but nonetheless.
    EVERYONE:
    WE WANT DICKS
    Sure, any other imgs I upload for the polycount forum will be uncensored, but you have to understand, I post these pics on various other sites that are much more... reserved.
    Cexar:
    Looks promising! Being a demon I don't know if this applies but his muscles around his shoulder are strange. The biceps usually connects in the arm pits and the deltoid usually covers that certain area where his biceps are now. Then again, he's a demon and stuff so this might not apply!

    Honestly I agree: he was modeled in the standard position aka:

    MayaHard1.jpg

    But I didn't adjust his pose in Zbrush, I used bones and skin-weights in maya. If you look at the outstretched arm, it seems normal; but his downward one looks a bit funky. I think there is still some weighting work to be done
  • Shiniku
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    I agree on the censorship.. not really necessary. Just add a 'nudity' tag in the thread title.

    Anyway.. i agree on what Cexar said about the arm anatomy, but I think the "It's a demon so normal anatomy might not apply' is something you shouldn't buy into. Sure, anatomy might be different, but it still needs to appear functional, and as it stands I just don't think his arm would WORK. Where is the bicep supposed to be connecting? What's it supposed to do? Right now it looks like he wouldn't be able to bend his elbow without pulling his shoulder inward as well. His pecs don't look very functional either.

    Just in terms of design, I think (bicep aside) that his arms and head are looking pretty cool. The torso area seems extremely lacking in comparison. I guess I could understand if you didn't want to carry that same level of muscle definition there as you do with the arms, wanted to show a bit of flab or whatever, but right now it's just looking like you spent a lot less time there, and it lacks visual interest.

    Anyway, interesting project you've got going on here, keep it up.
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    SanderDL wrote: »
    Why did you hid those privates?

    Here at polycount we love them big ones :)
    frell wrote: »
    eh, 5 dicks are better than 1, and they werent even blurred :P

    good job so far

    In fact you should replace the horns on his head with dicks lmao :poly124:

    ZacD wrote: »
    You already have tits, just get the mods to add a nsfw tag and unblur everything.

    Free_Fall wrote: »
    I want to see dem dicks boy

    makecg wrote: »
    UNBLUR TEH DICKS !

    Jesus! FINE!

    DICK.jpg

    there!


    Now that we have that sorted out..

    I agree with everyone about the biceps and the way they connect to the shoulder, that is 40% an animation weighting issue, and 60% a modelling issue. I'll probably go through annother pass with Zbrush and re-render some normals. This also means re-rendering the diffuse, specular and transmission textures also, so don't expect it soon! Also, I won't have any access to my PC for a couple of days this weekend, so progress is going to be slow until Monday. Also, after the Najno is considered 'gold' I'll be immediately starting work modelling another character from the fiction, Any votes on who I should model next?

    Also, on the belly/abdomen lack of detail: The truth is I could probalby go crazy giving him 'fat abs' or lots of wrinkles, scars, veins, tertiary mammary glands, or braindead attached fetuses but the turth is that fat bellies are simply big, smooth and for the most part: boring.


    beerbelly.jpg

    If its truly uninteresting to a point of detriment, I can add several aforementioned details. once again, votes?
  • dogzer
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    NEED MOOAR GEO ON TEH DICK!
    Like seriously. you have nice detail on the head but why not on his private area?
    Right now it looks like the balls is gled to his thighs which i found really odd.
    How can he run without hitting his balls ?
  • KazeoHin
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    binopittan wrote: »
    NEED MOOAR GEO ON TEH DICK!
    Like seriously. you have nice detail on the head but why not on his private area?
    Right now it looks like the balls is gled to his thighs which i found really odd.
    How can he run without hitting his balls ?

    Thats 100% a skinning issue, right now I have the edges of his scrotum a bit too 'attached' to his femur, so they stretch WAY too much with it. It WILL be fixed, SOON.
  • Shiniku
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    My god, it's like his genitals are growing out of the bottom of the flab on his belly.

    Also, for an imposing demon type, he isn't too imposing downstairs. Kinda cute infact. Not striking fear into my heart.

    Also, it might help if you posted a wireframe, too. (not just of the johnson, I mean the whole body.) I'm not sure what kind of polycount you're aiming for. But you probably could afford more geometry.. in places.
  • r_fletch_r
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    can we see some wires for the dicks?
  • Rabbid_Cheeze
    Are those rocks scattered on the ground parallax based? And the pic looks like its got a lot of AA, is it just a double sized screen grab that's been shrunk or is it done through post?

    For the demon, I'm not a big fan of the deltoid or bicep and haw they fit together with the other muscles, would try and make them more human and less abstract. The leg muscles look weird too, (feet sort of like those on a pig, though maybe that was your intention).
  • KazeoHin
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    Najwire.jpg Najwire.jpgNajWire.jpgNajRef.jpgNajWire2.jpgNajRef2.jpg
    Are those rocks scattered on the ground parallax based? And the pic looks like its got a lot of AA, is it just a double sized screen grab that's been shrunk or is it done through post?

    Its a custom material I've been working on for a while [ame= Its based on parallax occlusion[/ame]

    and yes, 5x resolution screen-cap with a Photoshop reduction.
    For the demon, I'm not a big fan of the deltoid or bicep and haw they fit together with the other muscles, would try and make them more human and less abstract. The leg muscles look weird too, (feet sort of like those on a pig, though maybe that was your intention).

    Feet: intentional

    Arms: not so much, see above.


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    Dicks don't just come out of your lower belly...

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  • Alberto Rdrgz
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    EWW this is just nasty! good job on the modelin tho~!
  • Moosey_G
    I don't want to derail such a lovely thread (Good Luck Kaze), but Zac, where did you get that picture.
  • KazeoHin
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    I never thought of the penis being so low in comparison to the belly, I may lower both, as his belly needs to look like its covering the top half of his genitals. The Pecs and arms are getting a re-haul.

    And with that picture: where the hell are his testes!?
  • ZacD
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    Moosey_G wrote: »
    I don't want to derail such a lovely thread (Good Luck Kaze), but Zac, where did you get that picture.

    Well the first place I tried was a few life drawing reference sites, no luck so I googled bear porn or muscle bear porn, picked one that wasn't sexual and and the right build. IN THE NAME OF ART!
    KazeoHin wrote: »
    I never thought of the penis being so low in comparison to the belly, I may lower both, as his belly needs to look like its covering the top half of his genitals. The Pecs and arms are getting a re-haul.

    And with that picture: where the hell are his testes!?


    It must be cold out.
  • HornyRhino
    Penis! Penis! Penis! Big pink demonic dicks for everyone! The people demand bigger dicks!

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    Seriously though nice work man... hope to see more soon :D
  • KazeoHin
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    PROGRESS. Got a chance to sit down and do some serious work. Still a long way to go, but I'm posting the WIP for the demon's new body. Hopefully I'm on the right track.


    OLD SCULPT
    Najnewbod0.jpg

    NEW SCULPT
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    Any thoughts??
  • tda
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    hahahah zac, god damn, that picture.
  • KazeoHin
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    Doing some more work on the new sculpt, and learning new tricks along the way.

    OLD BODY:
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    NEW BODY:
    najposemaya1.jpg
  • KazeoHin
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    Whatyousay.jpg

    in engine I think he looks great. first page updated.
  • CandyStripes05
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    KazeoHin wrote: »

    NEW BODY:
    najposemaya1.jpg

    i cant help but laugh at that pose - especially when i skimmed this threads reply's and nearly every single one is about dicks

    should change the title to something like "Demons and Dicks"
  • Nitewalkr
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    This thread...explains everything about this community.

    On the serious note.

    Nice work on the demons. :)
  • professorXXX
    Rainbow Star Girl approves of this game
  • Free_Fall
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    I like that his mushroom tip peeks out of his skinny cover

    oh and btw.. DICKS
  • re.wind
    Congratulations. I'm already scared of this [thread, mod and everything].

    :-|

    edit: as for sexuality invoking fear and confusion, this scores quite low. this is more in-your-face-sausage-&-tea-bag-fest rather than cleverly implimented sexual innuendo (geiger's xenomorph, hl1's gonarch (?)) that catches viewers off-guard, and has a more subtle effect that won't 'turn off' those with lower 'sausage' tolerance.
  • yodude87
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    omg dudes, youre all insane xD


    good job btw. youve nailed it all (no penis mention... ops.)
  • KazeoHin
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    re.wind wrote: »
    Congratulations. I'm already scared of this [thread, mod and everything].

    :-|

    edit: as for sexuality invoking fear and confusion, this scores quite low. this is more in-your-face-sausage-&-tea-bag-fest rather than cleverly implimented sexual innuendo (geiger's xenomorph, hl1's gonarch (?)) that catches viewers off-guard, and has a more subtle effect that won't 'turn off' those with lower 'sausage' tolerance.

    The Najno demons (and other male demonic castes) are not meant to invoke sexual confusion, their nudity is entirely non-sexual in terms of design. Allow me to quote myself:
    KazeoHin wrote:
    Human beings in all cultures, tribes, cults or hunter-gatherer-familial units wear some kind of clothing. Why? because something inside our mind tells us this piece of cloth, leather, bone or mud makes us different to the animals, makes us unique against other people and makes us somehow protected against our primal selves.

    The idea of sexual confusion is only in relation to the female demons or 'cows' in the fiction (which I haven't modeled yet). The fact that the females have attractive, human bodies, yet demon hooves and horns help to occupy the mind of the player. Its not unheard-of or original: I am certainly not the first artist to think of this idea, but it works. Often times the cows will be chained, hanging in fetishistic, highly sexual positions. 'Subtlety' is not what I aim for. The goal of sexual confusion is to keep the player's mind on the horrid, yet arousing brutality and not on his weapon's crosshairs.
  • jmt
    I did a word count on your first post in this thread. The result: 1437. This is an art forum. Don't blame people for not wanting to read that much.

    You've succeeded in making something insane and fucked up, but there are anatomy flaws, many of which have been mentioned. You should use reference images, and if you already are, you should follow them more closely. The overall shape of the arms is ok in the pose, but they look really off in the T pose. I would recommend using a relaxed T pose for less deformation when the arms are lowered. You have a ton of dark painted shadows in the muscle creases, but your creases are almost all in the wrong spots.

    Oh, and I almost forgot to mention, those are some crazy looking dicks.
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    jmt wrote: »
    I did a word count on your first post in this thread. The result: 1437. This is an art forum. Don't blame people for not wanting to read that much.

    You've succeeded in making something insane and fucked up, but there are a ton of anatomy flaws, many of which have been mentioned. You should use reference images, and if you already are, you should follow them more closely. The overall shape of the arms is ok in the pose, but they look really off in the T pose. I would recommend using a relaxed T pose for less deformation when the arms are lowered. You have a ton of dark painted shadows in the muscle creases, but your creases are almost all in the wrong spots. I'll say it again: You should use reference images.



    I'm sorry about the long word count: just a way of me introducing this world to the public. I'm fine if certain people don't want to wade through 1400+ words of my fiction, hell even I skip to the purdy pictures on everyone else's threads. So long as people don't try to poke holes the literature they haven't read, I'm happy. If someone has read the post and wants to poke holes: poke away, although I'm more interested in art crits and props. Speaking of which:

    If you could please expand on the anatomical flaws present in the model, I would be glad to address them. Also I addressed a couple flaws with the upper body on my newest version, are these flaws in the older version or the newest version? I am still quite new to Character modeling: I come from an environment art background and making a wicked-sick wall texture is a lot different to modeling biological anatomy. I enjoy learning and appreciate any help along the way. I didn't use a reference image to perform the initial modeling, but used some concepts to detail the model. I'll take your suggestion: the next model I create will be using a reference table from the start, to avoid these anatomical errors.
    jmt wrote:
    Oh, and I almost forgot to mention, those are some crazy looking dicks.


    Why do people keep using the word "dicks". There is only one dick! all the others are still blurred! There will be more dicks in the future, but for now there is only one! ;)
    Rainbow Star Girl approves of this game

    Thank you! Though this is not a game, just a personal project. Good luck with your project as well: I'm a big fan!
  • BelgianBoolean
    I would say exaggerate the "area" a bit. Perhaps a flock of penii in the nether regions?

    In all seriousness, this is looking pretty damn good mate. Also, brilliant work on that shader!
  • jmt
    I would say that if you're an environment guy who is not that experienced in character art, you should stick with realistic anatomy for this sort character's body/muscles etc, but feel free to go nuts with head/hooves (look at goats, cows etc. for those). Get lots of good reference and follow it as closely as you can.

    Here are a few images I found in a brief Google search, placed alongside some of your pictures. These aren't exactly the same as they are flexing and yours are in neutral poses and from slightly different angles, but hopefully they will be some help anyways.
    demonanatomy.jpg

    The first things I notice when comparing yours with these refs:
    - Your model's deltoids are really big and have massive creases with dark shading.
    - In contrast to the large shoulders and defined arms, his chest seems flat.
    - Giving him a big gut is fine, but it seems to contrast the amount of muscle definition he has in other areas. Also, you should lessen the dark crease under the bellybutton, and you should follow the advice given earlier for the genetals.
    - It seems like you've combined the traps and the neck. This creates an odd shape in that area. Look up pictures of orcs for how they handle this area.
    - The biceps look square in the T pose and the forms in the armpit/shoulder area should flow better.
    - The forearm muscles are kind of blobby and don't seem to be in the right spots. It seems like you didn't follow the places that real muscles stick out.

    EDIT: And I said "dicks" because there are so many dick images. There are also two of them in one of the renders.
  • KazeoHin
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    jmt wrote: »
    I said "dicks" because there are so many dick images. There are also two of them in one of the renders.

    Touch
  • KazeoHin
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    in between making changes to the najno and concepting my next char, I'm also concepting and modelling some props. I've started with the Najno's broadsword.

    NajnoBroadsword.jpg

    I've got the basic shape into Zbrush, and done some detail work on it.

    NajnoBroadswordwip1.jpg

    obviously not done, but any crits are welcome!
  • MrHobo
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    In regards to the sword, right now it's not reflecting the mythology you're building IMO. It feels like it could be a prop in any other game. I guess the best solutions would be to start answering some questions like; Why do demons need weapon? What resources are they using to construct them? Are the resources unique to hell? Are the weapons unique to rank? How is that reflected by the weapon? etc...

    Also out of curiosity have you looked into Wayne Barlowe's work? The way he went about deconstructing and reconstructing hell and it's society could help you flesh some more things out if havent checked him out already. :)
  • re.wind
    Why do demons need weapon? What resources are they using to construct them? Are the resources unique to hell? Are the weapons unique to rank? How is that reflected by the weapon? etc...

    use the horns of beaten enemies as daggers or other 'equipment'. However, having weapons means they'll probably need to have leather straps (made from cows?) which can be seen as a form of clothing, or accessories.

    A parralel thought to the above is that of wearing trophies, like the teeth/hornes of enemies, and/or body painting (enemy blood mixed with dirt/mineral pigments?).
  • Gooner442
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    Good stuff but lacking in the ballbag department, here's something that might help..

    http://vimeo.com/9869813
  • KazeoHin
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    MrHobo wrote: »
    In regards to the sword, right now it's not reflecting the mythology you're building IMO. It feels like it could be a prop in any other game. I guess the best solutions would be to start answering some questions like; Why do demons need weapon? What resources are they using to construct them? Are the resources unique to hell? Are the weapons unique to rank? How is that reflected by the weapon? etc...

    Also out of curiosity have you looked into Wayne Barlowe's work? The way he went about deconstructing and reconstructing hell and it's society could help you flesh some more things out if havent checked him out already. :)

    I briefly had a look at some of his work, very cool stuff. I'll definately look into his inferno series.

    About the weapons: Demons use weapons and tools like humans, however the craftsmanship as a bit more crude. Though, taking a second look at the sword, I can see how it looks quite generic. I've been really 'playing it safe' with concepts for this project; after hearing this (awesome) forum's feedback I've now come to the realization that I need to be bold. I'm creating an entire fiction here: why do I have to play safe? thanks for helping me realize this!
    re.wind wrote: »
    use the horns of beaten enemies as daggers or other 'equipment'. However, having weapons means they'll probably need to have leather straps (made from cows?) which can be seen as a form of clothing, or accessories.

    A parralel thought to the above is that of wearing trophies, like the teeth/hornes of enemies, and/or body painting (enemy blood mixed with dirt/mineral pigments?).

    Originally my idea was that these demons simply held their weapon in-hand at all times, however I realize that though this is possible and in a arcade style doom-shooter that nobody would complain; I plan to be a bit more thought out. Maybe demons of combat rank could have a crude, metal frog pierced into their hip or back. As for body-paint: its only used by the highest ranks of najno to separate themselves from the lower ranks....
  • KazeoHin
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    Not to get ahead of myself, but I just drew up this concept for the Stai demon. I won't start modeling him until I fix up the Naj and model some props, but I'll post this here to get some feedback.

    Staiconcept.jpg
  • KazeoHin
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    NajnoBroadsword2.jpg

    Redesigned the handle for the sword, you like?
  • Gooner442
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    dagger handle certainly has more interest but I think it reads poorly as a silhouette, it looks a bit wonky whereas a dagger is normally flush with the handle, why not go for something a bit more outlandish?..

    d_337DemonDagger.jpg
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