Fallout 3
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http://www.gametrailers.com/game/4758.html
Anyone else think this thing is looking more and more like Bethesda taking a giant steaming dump on the series?
Anyone else think this thing is looking more and more like Bethesda taking a giant steaming dump on the series?
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On the one hand I can't help but think this is nothing but a post-apocalyptic Oblivion, hell... The introduction is fucking identical but a training prison/cave escape mission into blinding open wilderness has been swapped for a training vault(may as well b prison)/Cave escape mission into blinding open wasteland. As such this game feels more like "inspired by Fallout" rather than an actual franchise sequal.
On the other hand I still think it looks like a fucking awesome game.
Not hopeful at all.
I mean, yay, free roaming exploration, funny and kinda scary if a bit too low-res monsters, and imaginative ways of killing them. In real time! All good things.
But in the second of the PAX videos, there was only one voice that I didn't instantly recognize from the Elder Scrolls games... and that's a bad sign. Especially when the facial animation is identical. And the HUD has the exact same elements. And the character creation is identical but with a new skin. And the running and sneaking animations also seeming identical. Again, Oblivion was good, this'll be good, but I don't know if I could play it without constantly going "Oh hi guildmaster, what's up? Oh, hi random argonian. Oh wait, you're a Morrowind dunmer, are you? That's okay, I loved that voice five years ago. Hi snooty elf girl, I haven't missed you!"
The small amount of voice actors is my biggest gripe with Oblivion, in fact. All the other quirks, you can almost forgive after 500 hours. But hearing the same ten people over and over and over again gets really old, really fast, and just keeps getting worse. And if I play this, I'll have to listen to them even more! At least there won't be any mudcrabs this time...
anyways, this is definatly a wait and play it a bit before buying it game for me. I just don't trust bethesda to make a game i want to spend $60 on and enjoy playing.
forgot to mention that bethesda hit the fallout humor right on the head with that trailor about vault life. Watching one woman pop out 20 babies when they were talking about repopulating the world was hilarious.
But the freeze time shooting option + extrem gore = W1N, though !
So you've just hit the nail on the head on what was bothering me about it. That's exactly it. It feels like a mod, like a total conversion of Oblivion. The way the characters heads lock to your camera as you speak with them, the way they idle, the facegen shittiness. All of it, just feels *way* too familiar. I watch that Megaton video and I get total deja vu. Like they just took Oblivion and swapped some graphics. Just feels incredibly cheap. Oh but wait, the guy says fuck a lot. Must be cool. Laaaame.
The other part of me sees that its oblivion without the things that made it bad, no more autoadjusted monsters, no more broken leveling systems, and a more detailed world in terms of content.
I mean, it'll be better than oblivion
Was there any motivation in any of the videos? Blow up the town... for teh lulz? Stop at the supermarket... for teh lulz? Just randomly kill the guy trying to get into the tower... for teh lulz? There wasn't a single action in the demonstration videos that made any sort of sense whatsoever.
But then, I rather like dialogue in my RPGs and don't really care all that much about loot or skills - if I meet interesting people, I put up with pretty much anything - so Fallout3 (or any successor to Oblivion) wasn't exactly on my wish-list anyway.
"Hey, let's blow up this town. What's that, I'm not evil enough? How about I add some dramatic... pauses? To sound more... evil. Because I'm... really bad."
* I have no experience with the original fallouts outside of playing one for ~10-15 minutes, getting annoyed, then uninstalling it. this was very recent as well, didn't play it in its 'prime'
i'm sure bethesda would love their huge world to be perfect....but it won't be. probably won't be a huge perfect world in a game for a long time. look at GTA 4...the exteriors are amazing....but you can't go inside a fraction of the areas you can go into in a bethesda game.
mass effect came across really nice....but the load times were horrible. and when you get down to it, the scale is nothing near oblivion or what fallout will probably be.
basically, i'm saying that i can forgive the little things when taking the scale of the game into consideration.
I think this looks pretty fun. I own all the old Fallout Titles. 1, 2, Tactics and even Brotherhood of Steel(crap xbox game). I only ever finished the 2nd one though I think. I really enjoyed Oblivion, despite the auto leveling lameness, and the limited voice acting. Face-Gen is ok, they just needed to be more like Mass Effect and include some extra normal maps you can blend into the face to add character and volume. When you've got a world with a thousand characters, parametric faces seems the logical way to go.
They used a technology they were familiar with and had resounding commercial success with. No surprise there.
The animations...well there is no excuse there. I remember watching the Oblivion making of documentary and hearing the (I think lead) animator say "I'm not good at animating people" and thinking...yeah no shit.
I remember old videos of Oblivion had shadows on EVERYTHING. I'm amazed they couldn't figure out a way to add that back in for Fallout 3.
I'm going to buy it no doubt, and enjoy it but...until somebody gives me 20 million+ and my own game studio I'll never play a game that I consider "perfect".
edit: btw how do you xbox guys feel about the achievements? when he walked out into the open I was like 'awesome.. man im all in this cool world stepping out for the first ti- KACHING YOU HAVE AN ACHIEVEMENT WELL DONE FOR PLAYING ON YOUR XBOX
totally ruins immersion..
Lock picking and hacking look awesome
The dog would get killed so fast in Fallout 1 that I never developed any attachment to him, I've heard that they've fixed that in 3 so I'm looking forward to it.
I see baked lighting/AO in the vids
Deep down, I'm hoping that somehow it might just by some tiny miracle just be worthy to carry the Fallout name.
Otherwise I'm going to have to pretend it never happened. Like Deus Ex 2.
Actually, hate is probably a too strong emotion here. It just left me utterly unmoved, I suppose. The only reason I went back to it is because I needed a break from Bioshock at the time, and I didn't have internet,so I was unable to play halflife 2 ep1/2, which pisses me off.
I considered pirating hl2 and its episodes (after having bought them, just to make that point extra clear), but well... I didn't have any internet.
edit: err, the point to all this rambling is that I'll give it a chance, but at the first sight of any resemblance to Oblivion's lesser points, I'm getting the fuck out. If this is their second go at Oblivion, maybe they'll get it right, though. Who knows eh?
it's post apocalyptic oblivion where you can punch people's heads off with a power glove?
I fail to see the issue here.
Sure, it'd be nice if they updated their engine.
Sure, their in game art is kinda shitty,
Maybe it's "RAPING" the franchise.
But who gives a shit as long as it's still a fun game?
My sentiment exactly. :poly142:
The first wasteland/cityscape vista when the player comes out of the Vault looks bloody awesome. Haven't really ever seen anything like that in a game before, it looks really filmic.
not really, but now youve mentioned the "fullbright world" thats all I can see. I always thought it was a little... contrast/burnt to look at and that goes some way to pinpointing it, theres little to no shadows
Apart from that I'm looking forward to this, im totally new to oblivion and fallout franchises.
I don't really want to go through that again, especially not when I can't help but keep seeing all those flaws everywhere. As Daz said, Bethesda doesn't learn. It applies to gameplay as much as graphics. They've shown every indication that all of Oblivion's flaws will be there.
It's not unusual that there might be people going ahead and giving a shit about the quality of game visuals on a board named polycount really now is it?
Lighting creates mood and atmosphere. Warm light sources in cool scenes are appealing for instance. Good lighting can be used to enhance the play experience in many ways more than purely graphical. It's a *hugely* missed opportunity with a game of this subject matter to have shitty lighting imo.
It's shocking to me that they're making do with vertex paint as 'lighting'. They just about got away with it in Oblivion, but now? I guess we'll see when get some higher res shots. But knowing how awfully messy, noisy and photosourced Bethesdas texturing is, those fullbright interiors are going to be excruciatingly hard on the eyes.
We started out with the Gamebryo engine too, but it didn't stop us changing to a deferred renderer with a full shadow casting system, dynamic night and day cycle and ability to use a lot of point lights. Their approach to tech is cheap and sloppy, like their Art.
if that can be said for Hellgate I don't see how you can bash Fallout 3
I think it looks pretty decent for a large open world, do whatever you want kind of game that is Bethesdas specialty.
After all these years of waiting with nail biting anticipation I will end up buying and playing Fallout 3 to death, but I won't enjoy it... I swear
-DK >^..^<
I don't particularly see the irony. I'm not going to go hunting for that thread, but I do recall some somewhat unecessary vitriol on the part of the Hellgate haters. I must have been irked by something, I honestly don't remember. Maybe I had my period that day? Who knows.
At least I have the common decency to actually break down specifically what I don't think is working graphically for me with Fallout 3. I mentioned pretty specifically early on that I thought that lighting was a hugely missed opportunity for a game dealing with this subject matter. I also mentioned it *felt* like Oblivion to me and therefore felt cheapened. I'm failing to see the issue here quite honestly. I don't rate Bethesda highly as a developer when it comes to visuals. You do. Might as well leave it there really.
But the point of video games is to have fun playing them, and if you can't do that just because the art is bad, then it's a shame.
I can enjoy fun games with bad art, but it is nice when fun games have good art to go with it, eh?
but back to the issue, gameplay wise, this might actually be good, not fallout 1&2 good, but the more linear gameplay in the sense that you have to actually progress to handle the bigger issues, not having the game being openly accessable in the beginning just because every monster will have the same level as you.
this was one of the bigger gameplay killers of oblivion.
Still gonna try it out though, right? I don't think 'horrid' is a word I'd use, as to me it looks decent. Did I blow my load over it? Nah..
But still, it seems like a fun game.
Unfortunately, that's stuff you can't really show off in trailers, so I'm having to take educated guesses at it based on previous Beth titles. Oblivion didn't hold up in any of those respects, although Morrowind did. It's 50/50 :P
I'd probably be a lot more excited about it if they handn't labeled it as a direct sequel of Fallout 1&2.
*the animation bugs the hell out of me, however.
Post 2: The environment work doesn't look too bad but most of the character work is just god awful.
Post 3: On second thought the environment stuff isn't so hot. Looks like a brown/sepia mess with no lighting.
still.. what part of placing a live hand grenade into someones pocket does not sound awesome?
or punching someones head off with a powerglove?
a·chieve·ment
1. something accomplished, esp. by superior ability, special effort, great courage, etc.; a great or heroic deed: his remarkable achievements in art.
I guess not turning your xbox off after 5 minutes of fallout would be considered an achievement to the developers.
The game itself looks average, but if you focus on the lighting specifically it is really bad. No LM make the entire world look really flat. I dont know if i'll try this, oblivion was a pretty boring game so i dont have much hope for this being all that interesting. We'll see.
I havent watched to many movies with it because I will hope it can get me back in the world of Fallout when playing it. if its just a little bit il be happy
I have my hopes up! Fallout yes, This is personal...
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This is pretty awesome...
Especially SUPER MUTANT BEHEMOTH!!
I must say that their promotional material is fantastic.
I watched some videos on gametrailers, and i feel enemies like robots, animations are not quite good imho.
Like all games it has its own good points.
Anyone will play left 4 dead? :poly124:
I can't wait to get home and play some more.