Polycount - Generals - [poopinmymouth]

poopinmymouth

GROUNDFLOOR!
I'm so owning all your bones on this one. The neversoft prizes are pimp, I'm giving up my Christmas Neversoft Duffelbag, hehehe.

I have my general idea, but haven't started concepting. I know that makes this thread a bit preemptive, but I'm too excited not to put a placeholder.

I'm going to be videoing my entire process from concept to finished model/rig and have it available on my website at comp finish. I've been meanging to make a new video series anyway.

Illusions

Heil Poop! To anyone else confused (some spying has alerted me that those over at cgchat are), here is the link to everything you need to know!

http://www.polycount.net/dominancewar/

Use the menu up top to navigate for what you need! TO POLYCOUNT VICTORY!

r13

its on our front page too ;p

Lee3dee

make us proud Poop!

cman2k

videoing the whole thing? nice! can't wait to see what you come up for this one man.

Scott Ruggels

So, Energy-boy. You going to be the Moale officer of this Chicken outfit? keep the troops motivated aswell?

Scott

poopinmymouth

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...Energy-boy...Morale officer...Chicken outfit...motivated...

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Yes

blankslatejoe

hooray!

Etheros

ooh **********.
Don't say, what BoBo on the evil side too.
omg

Spark

Hopefully you will keep all articles of clothing on in this video Poop, as I would hate to have my eyes incinerate before I could see what your final piece will be:) Jk, man I'm sure it will kick ass.

Spark

rawkstar

I want oreos damnit!!!

Slash

i dont know what oreos are.

Mark Dygert

"Less talkie talkie, more ART!"

poopinmymouth

I figured our army needed a tactician. I'm going to go through several iterations just to make sure I come up with something I like. That and I am sorely in need of concept practice.

Valandar

Interesting. Gonna add something for a C&C console, heads up display, that sort of thing?

Slash

I already gave you my 2 cents on msn. So i'll just support the idea of a c&c console hud thing.

ScoobyDoofus

Well, I dont know what else to say at this point. Its a white girl in a black outfit...with big popeye forarms.

I'd say you need some color elements on the outfit & something to break up the shilouette.

vahl

good start poopstah, but I don't think she looks like a general yet, but I'm sure you'll come up with something to fix that ^^

poopinmymouth

The idea for my chick is that she is extremely good at her job, but feels she's always had the fact she's a woman held against her by her male peers. So she's developed a hatred towards all men. She tries to take it out by being ruthlessly efficient in her battles and planning to show up those around her. Her outfit is slightly professional, but has a lot of sexual appeal added in because she likes making the men around her desire her, so she can ignore and reject them. She's replaced her left arm with a PDA that she can operate with the long fingers on it. She never ventures onto the battleground, knowing full well her strengths are mental and not phsyical.

Another quick doodle to see what I can come up with.

cochtl

it's aeon flux! looking better than the original, but she may be too simple in design when compared to the stuff i have seen so far in both forums...

BoBo_the_seal

I understand your thoughts behind these but they seam a bit boring at the moment. Feel free to do anything you'd like but I'd like to see something a bit more warmongerish from you. Something that can strike fear into the opposition. I just don’t think you have any CGchatters shaking in their boots at the moment.

Sorry, but you have a lot of people talking smack about you over at CGchat so you should bring your “A” game!

- BoBo

Jhotun

hahaha, that should be enough pression Bobo :P
Yeah, this babe needs some kind of things to make her much more mad without having to read anything related to his past.

Keep it up!

adam

To go with what Bobo has said I Don't find the character to be overly evil and menacing looking. Or interesting. The back story is really cool and adds something to the overall character - but it isn't anything wowing.

Also, it looks a little too much like Trinity:
Go-go gadget Gauss!

gauss

brome discovers the joy of the constructive comment in lieu of a throwaway image post!


poop: it might seem like an uphill climb but this is good progress. i'm glad you're going for something of a more austere approach instead of straight to WH40k schlock, but currently it's a little too much in the opposite direction. as she is now she'd probably make a good candidate for an adventure or puzzle game, something that stresses interaction with characters. but the way this compo is structured it's pretty clear that the pieces that "go big" are the ones that are going to do the best. i don't think you have to necessarily abandon the character you've got going here, but you're going to have to get all of that story, all of that history and characterization you've developed and make it as plainly readable as you can on the character itself. as she is now, she's pretty unreadable other than seeming kind of cold and withdrawn. you've got the building blocks in place, time to it up visually. i don't care for little text descriptions of characters because i should be able to read all of that right on the character itself.

the costume and accoutrements are the architecture of memory and history!

dur23

Ooooh it would be rad if she was general diplomat. (who steals, and pilfers, and generally messes shit up from the inside) Love the idea of that. Love the idea of all the black. Can't wait to see what you produce.

aesir

I think youre hurting yourself with the all black clothing. Its really hard to work with, and less fun to texture (for me at least). I'd suggest a more ornate and extreme costume design, something that lends more of an image of what type of world the future is. The hand is looking good though.

Scott Ruggels

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the costume and accoutrements are the architecture of memory and history!


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I thought that was my line?

As it is, Poop, it's good, but not "great". she's a General, not a CIA consultant, there needs to be a bit more of a read of her military career and preferences on her "Uniform", at least a little electric green insignia and piping. Every decoration she would wear is something that proves her point and status, give her more decoration. (but not to much like Anime, or something)

Scott

poopinmymouth

I really agree guys, thanks for the crits. I'm not going to move past the concept stage till I have something really solid I'm happy with. These are just initial explorations.

I decided to go back to just silhouettte thumbnails till I nail down something more interesting. Right now I'm liking the one to the far right but I want to push about twenty more out.

Valandar

I like the last silhouette, but it may end up being pretty polyheavy, with all those spiky bits, taking polis away from elsewhere...

naruSol

Don't feel the need to add tech and spikes all over. But she does need to be larger than life. maybe insted of the standard giant boots, you go with longer slimmer boots with 6 inch heels and without any flashy lights. a little 80s style with super broad shoulders in her suit and some marks of rank to show she isnt just a minion. If you're going with a mechanical arm, why not make it an arm with a bunch of holigraphic displays and charts to show shes in an administrative position insted of charging accross a battlefield.

aesir

holographic displays would be pretty cool...

JordanW

Poop, i think your silloutte studies are a step in a better direction. I have to say the middle 2 are the most interesting. The shoulders of the 2nd one do help lend her to more of a "General" feel. Maybe try to give her large forearm a better shape and exagerrate it more, cut into it's shape some. Also doing a female could be a good chance do so some interesting things with long hair and how it could be tied up and such.

MoP

yep man those silhouettes are cool, i think it really helps if you bust out a load of these before going in and trying to paint a refined concept... keep thumbnailing and silhouetting until you find something that really clicks, then go crazy with the painting

i look forward to seeing what you come up with!

poopinmymouth

Still banging them out. My plan is to get about twenty-five solid thumbs, and then take three of them I like the best and do a rough paint up. Then from those make a final version from one or a collage of stuff I like from the three, and do a fully rendered version. I think I'm getting closer to what I want. Thanks for the encouragement guys. This project has reall enforced that when it's over I want to focus on my traditional drawing skills.

Jhotun

You rock! I see a lot of potential on the lower left one. That hands with some burning glow can make the difference in war between win or make them eat the dust! I´m loving it.

Oh, btw, the lower right seems to me that she is going to eat a sandwich on a park :P

Keep it up!

poopinmymouth

Walked home tonight (instead of riding my bicycle) and did a bit of concepting in my head. That always seems to get me closer to where I want to go because I tend to think it out more logically, whereas when I'm drawing or painting I'm just going with visual stimuli.

I'm going to try to massage her a bit more to really convey a bit more of her evil nature, but this is definately the direction I want to be heading.

Mark Dygert

now you're cookin with gas!I like the direction you are taking, its a big imporvement over the trinity look-a-like. The outfit is coming along nicely. This feels more like your A-Game. I really like the use of the second lighter color What about adding a Han-Solo stripe down her pants and other areas, in the lighter color?

You have your A-Game outfit, now she needs a A-Game pose. If you are not going to pose her now, make sure to do it when you pose the final 3D object. The right arm looks like its holding a cane, thats a bad look for her. Also keep in mind Davinci poses and bad poses will get you a pat on the back and a kick in the ass. The rules clearly state a winning pose. We aren't in this for the kicks. Do you want this hanging on moms fridge or in the Le Grand Louvre, solider?

If you can show your winning pose in your concept then acuratly pose your 3D model to that kick ass concept then how cool are you? Ding, dong. Its the Louvre at the door are you going to get that?
- Maybe bring back the data pad controling thing on the arm?
- Nothing says scary bad ass chick with a bun like deadly sqizzle sticks in the bun?
- More colored pipping? (Much like cowbell I crave it)
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I see her leaning over the railing of a ship looking out a lower window at planet (and enemy ships) being torn apart by missles launched from her ship. Why is she nuking a planet? Because they got her lunch order wrong thats why. Yeah she's hardcore... I think the railing and a window as part as the base would be a great touch in the final piece. It wouldn't be counted as part of the model in the judging process but its like yelling things you know the defense will object to in court. Sure it gets stricken from the record but it still made a lasting impression on the jurry

JordanW

The concept is definatly getting better, She has many more interesting elements than the previous 2 and I think you should push it more, maybe pull some more elements from your sillouttes because there are some pieces there that work very well, like the arm of the girl on the top right, and the proportions of the 2nd girl on the top row.

Also may want to think about some insignia or medals.

arshlevon

yeah i think your heading the direction you wanted. just please dont model her in that pose. if so i think you might want to add a few accessories.

skankerzero

ah yes, that one is much nicer!

now, take some of those tech bits and tech her out. I'm partial to the shoulder 'spikes'. Though, you can easily take those and turn them into some kind of communications devices or holographic projectors.

rawkstar

thats awesome arsh, that automatically makes her look sooo much more evil...

rooster

haha just stick a minigun on that zimmer and youre set!
its coming along great poop, the face is really nice

poopinmymouth

For whatever reason, I'd had the gun and holster layers hidden, so the picture is updated. Also if anyone is interested, here's a timelapse of the painting, I'm gonna add audio later when I do all the videos up right. I know this isn't really tutorial quality concept work, but I wanted to include it in my process for anyone starting out, instead of just starting right in on the modeling.
www.poopinmymouth.com/tutorial/video/delilah_concept.zip

Weapon_X

I like the sleakness of it. When i see her, i think 7 of 9. I think she would be bad ass with some sort of high tech sniper weapon or something. She could be a tactician and a sharpshooter from long range or something.

ThE_BirD

cool stuff poop, I like that you included some of the stripe color in the holster... It'd be cool now to deck her out with a few more character specific details... does she wear any pins, badges to display her rank? I like Vig's idea of a stripe on the pants... Lookin good!

ScoobyDoofus

Oh Benji! Thats so much better! Your traditional skills are getting a bit better lately I've noticed! Good work!

Joao Sapiro

going the right way poop

(mutters to himself ) better get to work...

Scott Ruggels

I'd sugges that you add a bit of the Ol' Green in the form of piping. She als needs mor e insignia, and I think a stronger chin and jaw line for the domineering bitch look.

Scott

tasart

kongbattle armor would crush her >;-D
dont forget her tampon dispenser
*stab *
aside from that stuff's lookin good as expected, I fear the model

PaintTheFence

Hey poop, i'm a sad little man, but you've got some pretty good stuff in this thread, thanks for posting. Good thing I've been banned.

arshlevon

its really cool that some coward invented a fake screen name to come leave medeocre insults on the polycount boards. when i go over and tell you cgchaters how much you blow ass i use my real name. mostly cause my mother wasnt a prostitute. apparently its the only cause of said behaviour.