yeah. way to go. don't you know that when a game is hyped so much, then it becomes very good sometimes but is guaranteed to never be the best game ever
Your right poop, not everyone can live up to your GOD like abilities as an Environmental artist.
Anyways,
I think they are aiming towards a single player adventure type thing. Sort of like Elite Force II. But if you have watched the shows, you would know what abilities are going to be incorporated into the game features. The shows fan base is outstandingly HUGE. Its following will ensure a huge sale alone. I think you can get most of this game's info at http://www.Gateworld.net
I say this game will rock because I, Obviously, am a fan and will buy the game regardless of its standard as ass horrible or great.
I think my mom could tell how bad those screenshots look. My abilities have nothing to do with the craptastic texture and modeling work in those shots.
Thats the worst attitude possible. The reason licenses get turned into horrible games is people like you. You will buy it no matter how crap it is. So they do not even have to try to make it good. Sort of like... say... Star Wars games?
The fact that the show has cool stuff in it does not in any way ensure the game will. It could be the companies last game with some new art assets and the SG1 label slapped on for all you know.
And you buying it does not ensure it rocking. IMO it implies the exact inverse.
Poop, you act your age. You have this interesting ability to translate your communication into intelligent slander of others. Dude, we all know you hate my guts. Its too late for a truce so I am not even going to try. I started this thread to introduce a new Movie/show game coming out. Perhaps I should not have included my personal opinion of the game. This is a forum for games and 3d and art but what ever. Anyways, next time I post feel free to post more negative remarks. Its such a joy to keep getting a rise out of you.
it doesnt look that bad p00p, yer being more than a lil subjective with your crit. It may not be innovative, but craptastic would suggest maybe texture stretching or something
Maybe I am just jaded with so many non innovative repetitive boring games the rely solely on a license or some gimick to sell them. The fact it was being flaunted as a game that would "ROCK" must have set me off.
poop, do you watch SG-1? Did you see the episode where the cast gets stuck in the game? The Game world that they kept flashing to, thats what it looks like this game was made for. So poop your rite, it will fit well with the other movie/TV show games out there.
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poop, do you watch SG-1? Did you see the episode where the cast gets stuck in the game? The Game world that they kept flashing to, thats what it looks like this game was made for. So poop your rite, it will fit well with the other movie/TV show games out there.
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Now if only they could find a way to do the episode where Teal'c and Macgyver get stuck in the time loop. Hilarity.
there are alot of games I think look ugly that I have had friends work on. Or even that I have worked on. When there is a team of 5+ artists, the overall game not looking good is not a personal insult. I still think the screen shots look bad, I am not going to change my opinion just because a polycounter worked on them, nor should I.
A game with combat, but combat is spelled with a K instead. That's innovative. The gameplay is sure to be top of the line. Better than HL2 even. I can't wait for the actual site to come online, so they can show screenshots that show nothing of the gameplay what-so-ever. I'm already a fan.
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One more thing.
Oh man! This game WILL definately rock!!!!1one
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Isn't this whole routine in which Tubboy posts something and a handful of PC regulars show up to make fun of him or take the opposite position getting just a bit tired? I know I'm tired of reading it...
Isn't this whole routine in which Tubboy posts something and a handful of PC regulars show up to make fun of him or take the opposite position getting just a bit tired? I know I'm tired of reading it...
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yeah, I'm tired of it too, but the complaints are valid save a few.
Artist Formally Known as GrindonitX, you're complaining about ummmm... Pretty ironic
You got me there Ratboy. Man, this thread is pointless.
JackTub, I'm sure the game will just be your bland, average standards game that will only sell to fanboys of the show like your self. No reason to start a hype about it just because you wet your pants, so you shouldn't insult Poop simply because his opinion differs.
How can you say the gameplay is going to rock simply because of three crappy screenshots?
I thought the movie was fantastic, but I think the shows (both of them) are pretty lame from what I've seen. Occasionally pretty watchable, but not good enough for me to bother tuning in. (Although, Im biased. I dont like TV in general)
I've only watched like MAYBE 10 episodes of SG-1 and maybe 1.5 of the new one though.
I have to say that the game looks kinda uninspired from the sparse 3 screens. The terra-gen snowy-mountains skybox, and ultra-generic sci-fi towers/buildings are a tad bit tired.
I also must agree with poop about this rabid fan mentality being why Licensed games frequently suck ass. Fans who will purchase licensed goods for thier favorite franchises no matter how useless or poor they are. My brother is like this. He'll buy any Star Wars or Star Trek item out there. Its pretty sad really. "Han-Solo salt and pepper shakers! Im buyin' it" or "Captain Picard 100% useless decorative fucking plates to hang on the wall! Only $50 each! I'll buy the whole set of 20!"
As for threads of PC'ers vs Tubboy/Jackblack/whatever...Im just tired of tubboy/jackblack and his ilk period. Its one thing to be a noob. Its entirely another to just be a consistant tool...
Poop is entitled to his opinion, and his right to say it.
As is Tubboy.
However Tubboy(he'll always be tubboy to me frankly) getting all butt-hurt over it is just silly. If he hadn't replied to Poop, his thread wouldn't have been hijacked like it was, and it would have died in obscurity peacfully.
I have to agree with poop on this one. The screen shots are not eye popping or amazing. I say what I am about to say as on honest critique I would give anyone pimping off stuff here. Here is a list of beefs I have with the "glory shots" they show;
http://www.stargate-thealliance.com/images/screenshots/stargate_screen_01.jpg
1) Lens Flare... oh how original. Take a defect in a camera and apply it to a game. If they are striving to be real, you would never see a lens flare in the first person...
2) The sky box mountains scream out of place. You know you will never reach those mountains in this level of the game. The lighting looks pre-rendered in another program besides the game engine, I would guess bryce. The lighting on the moutains would not change if say a cloud covered the lens-flare, I mean sun...
3) Is the lens flare built into the game or was that added after the fact? If it was added afterward what else did they Doctor? Is the fog legit or will we see something different?
4) The mountains look too close and too staged to be apart of the playable game world, which breaks the illusion.
5) the scale for the trees/buildings/mountains seems off. http://www.stargate-thealliance.com/images/screenshots/stargate_screen_02.jpg
1) At first glance it looks pretty good. But take a second to look deeper and you find some basic mistakes.
- The monitors hanging from the concrete beam are just stuck into the beam. When in reality they would need to be mounted . I doubt when they poured the concrete they knew exactly where the monitors where going to be hung, or what mounts to sink into the wet concrete. Finish work like mounting monitors is always done by other people months/years after the fact. It involves drilling into the concrete and some kind of plate or mounting system.
- Why is there a 1940's style computer sitting in the middle of all that updated/future tech, looks out of place? Maybe there is a story mechanic to it that would explain it. But to me it doesn't fit and should be replaced.
- What is the point of having a see thru navigation map if it is mounted to the wall? The whole point of these maps is that anyone standing in the room can see the info on it. So why take it and mount it to the wall unless you don't know what it is used for. Maybe that is not what it is or what it is used for, again maybe there is some story mechanic that explains that...
http://www.stargate-thealliance.com/images/screenshots/stargate_screen_03.jpg
1) Hey look your average ho-hum level. Could be UT, could be UT04. Nothing new here.
- The detail on the pillars is covered up but the concept art. Which leads me to believe it might be kind of ugly or blurry.
- The blurry textures on the sitting statues is not exactly gourgous...
2) Oh wait there is something new, they photopshoperied the concept piece over the interesting areas. If you look at the conecpt they kind of stuck to it, but then left out some of the more interesting details?
- The horizontal lines running across the tall spires in the back, are missing.
- The concept does not have stairs? Was it too borring with out?
- The buildings directly beind the sitting statues could use the vets and paintings the concepts shows. It would certainly push the detail factor up a bit.
3) Photoshopery is done in this one, it leaves the question what else did they photochop?
4) More lens flares or halo effects around lights... WEE haven't seen that over done in every other game ever made... Whats worse it looks like it might be built into the game.
NOt to say all these minor graphical issues can't be over come with great game play, because they can be fixed, or over shadowed.
Maybe they will get around to adding in that detail and taking out the lens 1987 style lens flares. But as it stands it is not overly impressive. It says to me average game built on an average piece of IP that will sell to a few fans of the serries.
scoobs, i agree, i havent been into tv since i moved out, somewhere aorund 16-17 i guess. I watch the daily show with john stewart and download the simpsons/family guy sometimes. I also download star trek: enterprise. but i never seem to remeber to tune in, too lazy even for that hah!
We have such an awesome tv set-up here, with like 500 channels and stuff, but it's still 500 channels of lousy shows and porn. TV commercials are particularly distasteful. I like watcjing news, especially the cnadaian world news thats accually 'world news" as they have different news crews from different stations in different timeslots from each major nation in the world on that channel. reasonably objective...well, probably not.
Vig, dynamic lens flares have been in racing games since 1999 i think, at least i know blackbox put one in their game. i thought the mountains looked nice.
PaK: Just because lens flares have been in games since 1999 doesn't mean they should be in games
Granted, in the right situations they look good. The lens flare in the screenshots for this game, though, does not look like a "fitting" lens flare.
I agree that the mountains look nice, PaK, but as Vig said... they don't fit in at all with the rest of the environment - it looks to me like a miniature model set with 1-metre high painted cardboard mountains surrounding it. The scale and perspective just don't seem to add up... I think it's because there is nothing in the "middle distance" - it's just foreground (buildings/trees), then massive mountains that look like they should be miles away.
I assume this game is still in alpha development though, hence the very few screenshots - so it will probably change and improve a lot before release. And to reiterate, gorgeous graphics do not a good game make - a game with mediocre or average graphics can still be a very enjoyable gaming experience.
Then again movie/TV-series tie-in games these days do not seem to be all that special...
I have nothing against the look of the world, but if the character models seen on the show are that ones for this game then i have a probblem. I hate it when games have massivly diffrent LOD on the characters and the world they are in. EQ2 is painfull to look at with people in the screnshots becaue of this. if your going to rais the detail bar, do it for everything, not one side or the other.
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there are alot of games I think look ugly that I have had friends work on. Or even that I have worked on. When there is a team of 5+ artists, the overall game not looking good is not a personal insult. I still think the screen shots look bad, I am not going to change my opinion just because a polycounter worked on them, nor should I.
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Weeee! Another great tubby thread. No matter how they start, they can only turn out one way.
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Isn't this whole routine in which Tubboy posts something and a handful of PC regulars show up to make fun of him or take the opposite position getting just a bit tired? I know I'm tired of reading it...
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Well if you're tired of reading it, there is a very easy solution to your problem
Hey Vig,your assesment on those screenshots opened my eyes abit,ill have to make sure I study screenies more closely in the future ,though I agree there is nothing more that i havent seen before,the detail on the temple I feel should be upped as suggested to match much more with the concept art.
Oh and ive gone back afew years,erm good few years...My fav game right now is "heroes of might and magic 2"....its just soo damn addictive...yet soo..sooo *scuttles off to play it*
Well I dont have the time to both read and reply to all of the issues raised but I will try and offer a little insight.
Yes those mountains were created using terragen then translated onto lower res meshes using displacement. They arent just a billboard image and blend into the playable areas really well. Also all the fog is in game and dynamic and isnt a Photoshop job. PaK is right about the sun its a corona used on the skybox.
As for crits on the Stargate SG1 base design well we just replicated what is in the show and in my opinion have managed to stay very true to it. Also this is not set in the future for the few people that suggest as much.
The only thing photoshoped were the concepts over the third image to create a nice desktop image but all the 3d parts are in game screenshots. It is flattering to see people speculate on how the shots were either touched up or Max renders but this simply isnt true.
Please guys dont judge the whole game just based on those few images and I'm sure you will be more excited as more is released.
And as for the episode Tealc gets stuck in the game world, although we did work on that in game sequence for the show we were given a very short amount of time to do it in and it does not represent what the game will be like.
Until then thank you.
[edit] Also I would like to point out it will be released on 3 platfroms, PC, PS2 and X-Box.
Zeldrik I have a great deal of respect for Stargate and look forward to playing this game. I am obviously a fanatical fan of the show and know that this game will do great. Give me a shout some time on my MSN account at Pro3dartist24@hotmail.com I currently work with the collective on the ep3 star wars title so I know abit about how working on a movie game is.
Having worked on Licensed properties in the past, they have a much higher probability of SUCK. The reasn is a case of "too many cooks" in the top "suitland" and no premissable creativity in the Production personnel side.
I can see a game failing with that command higherarchy. My last job was ran by an ego driven business ass hole. My current job is ran and owned by artist. I personally believe the key to a good game is making sure first and foremost your artist is happy. If they are happy, they make good art.
Zeldrik: You kindly ignore that there are four platforms on the market if you count the PC, eh? Kinda annoying to see people pretend the Gamecube doesn't exist.
i think the screen shots look really nice, maybe nothing inovative, but definatly on par with most anything being put out now, there seems to be a lot of dissing the look of the game soley based on tubboy being a complete moron, but i am man enough to seperate my views so i say, the game looks real pretty, and tubboy is a complete moron. Also i will say i have small hopes of the game being good, mostly because i am skeptical of any license produtcs untill i see them first hand, and also i've tried to watch the tv show on occasion, and was bored to death
Oh Jes, i think most people i know agree HL2 does live up to all the hype, i agree also, frakin amazing game
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Those screenshots are hideous. Another sci fi game with per pixel lighting, whoopdy doo.
Anyways,
I think they are aiming towards a single player adventure type thing. Sort of like Elite Force II. But if you have watched the shows, you would know what abilities are going to be incorporated into the game features. The shows fan base is outstandingly HUGE. Its following will ensure a huge sale alone. I think you can get most of this game's info at http://www.Gateworld.net
I say this game will rock because I, Obviously, am a fan and will buy the game regardless of its standard as ass horrible or great.
Thats the worst attitude possible. The reason licenses get turned into horrible games is people like you. You will buy it no matter how crap it is. So they do not even have to try to make it good. Sort of like... say... Star Wars games?
The fact that the show has cool stuff in it does not in any way ensure the game will. It could be the companies last game with some new art assets and the SG1 label slapped on for all you know.
And you buying it does not ensure it rocking. IMO it implies the exact inverse.
What Poop said - could easily be a craptastic game.
Jack-Black: Millions of HalfLife fanboys kept saying that HL2 would be the Best Game Ever!
So far it has NOT managed to impress me that much...
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
World wide box office: $433,371,112
Gamerankings.com score: 39.1%
Chronicles of Riddick
World wide box office: $112,491,274
Gamerankings.com score: 88.4%
Now can we just wait for the game to actually come out before deciding whether it's god's gift to gaming or complete crap?
http://www.stargate-thealliance.com/images/screenshots/stargate_screen_02.jpg
and
http://www.stargate-thealliance.com/images/screenshots/stargate_screen_01.jpg
Why would this game rock, it doesn't seem that it's unique or anytying.
I know a few things about the game, though I'm not sure how many of the I'm actually allowed to mention. Its not just a straight FPS anyway.
poop, do you watch SG-1? Did you see the episode where the cast gets stuck in the game? The Game world that they kept flashing to, thats what it looks like this game was made for. So poop your rite, it will fit well with the other movie/TV show games out there.
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Now if only they could find a way to do the episode where Teal'c and Macgyver get stuck in the time loop. Hilarity.
Oh man! This game WILL definately rock!!!!1one
http://www.kombat-game.com/
A game with combat, but combat is spelled with a K instead. That's innovative. The gameplay is sure to be top of the line. Better than HL2 even. I can't wait for the actual site to come online, so they can show screenshots that show nothing of the gameplay what-so-ever. I'm already a fan.
One more thing.
Oh man! This game WILL definately rock!!!!1one
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Isn't this whole routine in which Tubboy posts something and a handful of PC regulars show up to make fun of him or take the opposite position getting just a bit tired? I know I'm tired of reading it...
Isn't this whole routine in which Tubboy posts something and a handful of PC regulars show up to make fun of him or take the opposite position getting just a bit tired? I know I'm tired of reading it...
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yeah, I'm tired of it too, but the complaints are valid save a few.
Artist Formally Known as GrindonitX, you're complaining about ummmm... Pretty ironic
-R
JackTub, I'm sure the game will just be your bland, average standards game that will only sell to fanboys of the show like your self. No reason to start a hype about it just because you wet your pants, so you shouldn't insult Poop simply because his opinion differs.
How can you say the gameplay is going to rock simply because of three crappy screenshots?
I've only watched like MAYBE 10 episodes of SG-1 and maybe 1.5 of the new one though.
I have to say that the game looks kinda uninspired from the sparse 3 screens. The terra-gen snowy-mountains skybox, and ultra-generic sci-fi towers/buildings are a tad bit tired.
I also must agree with poop about this rabid fan mentality being why Licensed games frequently suck ass. Fans who will purchase licensed goods for thier favorite franchises no matter how useless or poor they are. My brother is like this. He'll buy any Star Wars or Star Trek item out there. Its pretty sad really. "Han-Solo salt and pepper shakers! Im buyin' it" or "Captain Picard 100% useless decorative fucking plates to hang on the wall! Only $50 each! I'll buy the whole set of 20!"
As for threads of PC'ers vs Tubboy/Jackblack/whatever...Im just tired of tubboy/jackblack and his ilk period. Its one thing to be a noob. Its entirely another to just be a consistant tool...
Poop is entitled to his opinion, and his right to say it.
As is Tubboy.
However Tubboy(he'll always be tubboy to me frankly) getting all butt-hurt over it is just silly. If he hadn't replied to Poop, his thread wouldn't have been hijacked like it was, and it would have died in obscurity peacfully.
http://www.stargate-thealliance.com/images/screenshots/stargate_screen_01.jpg
1) Lens Flare... oh how original. Take a defect in a camera and apply it to a game. If they are striving to be real, you would never see a lens flare in the first person...
2) The sky box mountains scream out of place. You know you will never reach those mountains in this level of the game. The lighting looks pre-rendered in another program besides the game engine, I would guess bryce. The lighting on the moutains would not change if say a cloud covered the lens-flare, I mean sun...
3) Is the lens flare built into the game or was that added after the fact? If it was added afterward what else did they Doctor? Is the fog legit or will we see something different?
4) The mountains look too close and too staged to be apart of the playable game world, which breaks the illusion.
5) the scale for the trees/buildings/mountains seems off.
http://www.stargate-thealliance.com/images/screenshots/stargate_screen_02.jpg
1) At first glance it looks pretty good. But take a second to look deeper and you find some basic mistakes.
- The monitors hanging from the concrete beam are just stuck into the beam. When in reality they would need to be mounted . I doubt when they poured the concrete they knew exactly where the monitors where going to be hung, or what mounts to sink into the wet concrete. Finish work like mounting monitors is always done by other people months/years after the fact. It involves drilling into the concrete and some kind of plate or mounting system.
- Why is there a 1940's style computer sitting in the middle of all that updated/future tech, looks out of place? Maybe there is a story mechanic to it that would explain it. But to me it doesn't fit and should be replaced.
- What is the point of having a see thru navigation map if it is mounted to the wall? The whole point of these maps is that anyone standing in the room can see the info on it. So why take it and mount it to the wall unless you don't know what it is used for. Maybe that is not what it is or what it is used for, again maybe there is some story mechanic that explains that...
http://www.stargate-thealliance.com/images/screenshots/stargate_screen_03.jpg
1) Hey look your average ho-hum level. Could be UT, could be UT04. Nothing new here.
- The detail on the pillars is covered up but the concept art. Which leads me to believe it might be kind of ugly or blurry.
- The blurry textures on the sitting statues is not exactly gourgous...
2) Oh wait there is something new, they photopshoperied the concept piece over the interesting areas. If you look at the conecpt they kind of stuck to it, but then left out some of the more interesting details?
- The horizontal lines running across the tall spires in the back, are missing.
- The concept does not have stairs? Was it too borring with out?
- The buildings directly beind the sitting statues could use the vets and paintings the concepts shows. It would certainly push the detail factor up a bit.
3) Photoshopery is done in this one, it leaves the question what else did they photochop?
4) More lens flares or halo effects around lights... WEE haven't seen that over done in every other game ever made... Whats worse it looks like it might be built into the game.
NOt to say all these minor graphical issues can't be over come with great game play, because they can be fixed, or over shadowed.
Maybe they will get around to adding in that detail and taking out the lens 1987 style lens flares. But as it stands it is not overly impressive. It says to me average game built on an average piece of IP that will sell to a few fans of the serries.
We have such an awesome tv set-up here, with like 500 channels and stuff, but it's still 500 channels of lousy shows and porn. TV commercials are particularly distasteful. I like watcjing news, especially the cnadaian world news thats accually 'world news" as they have different news crews from different stations in different timeslots from each major nation in the world on that channel. reasonably objective...well, probably not.
Vig, dynamic lens flares have been in racing games since 1999 i think, at least i know blackbox put one in their game. i thought the mountains looked nice.
-R
Granted, in the right situations they look good. The lens flare in the screenshots for this game, though, does not look like a "fitting" lens flare.
I agree that the mountains look nice, PaK, but as Vig said... they don't fit in at all with the rest of the environment - it looks to me like a miniature model set with 1-metre high painted cardboard mountains surrounding it. The scale and perspective just don't seem to add up... I think it's because there is nothing in the "middle distance" - it's just foreground (buildings/trees), then massive mountains that look like they should be miles away.
I assume this game is still in alpha development though, hence the very few screenshots - so it will probably change and improve a lot before release. And to reiterate, gorgeous graphics do not a good game make - a game with mediocre or average graphics can still be a very enjoyable gaming experience.
Then again movie/TV-series tie-in games these days do not seem to be all that special...
there are alot of games I think look ugly that I have had friends work on. Or even that I have worked on. When there is a team of 5+ artists, the overall game not looking good is not a personal insult. I still think the screen shots look bad, I am not going to change my opinion just because a polycounter worked on them, nor should I.
[/ QUOTE ]Nyet. Your opinion is your own. Expressing it with tact is all I'm suggesting.
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Isn't this whole routine in which Tubboy posts something and a handful of PC regulars show up to make fun of him or take the opposite position getting just a bit tired? I know I'm tired of reading it...
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Well if you're tired of reading it, there is a very easy solution to your problem
Oh and ive gone back afew years,erm good few years...My fav game right now is "heroes of might and magic 2"....its just soo damn addictive...yet soo..sooo *scuttles off to play it*
J
Yes those mountains were created using terragen then translated onto lower res meshes using displacement. They arent just a billboard image and blend into the playable areas really well. Also all the fog is in game and dynamic and isnt a Photoshop job. PaK is right about the sun its a corona used on the skybox.
As for crits on the Stargate SG1 base design well we just replicated what is in the show and in my opinion have managed to stay very true to it. Also this is not set in the future for the few people that suggest as much.
The only thing photoshoped were the concepts over the third image to create a nice desktop image but all the 3d parts are in game screenshots. It is flattering to see people speculate on how the shots were either touched up or Max renders but this simply isnt true.
Please guys dont judge the whole game just based on those few images and I'm sure you will be more excited as more is released.
And as for the episode Tealc gets stuck in the game world, although we did work on that in game sequence for the show we were given a very short amount of time to do it in and it does not represent what the game will be like.
Until then thank you.
[edit] Also I would like to point out it will be released on 3 platfroms, PC, PS2 and X-Box.
That being saidm HL2 is the best game ever.
Scott
Scott
Oh Jes, i think most people i know agree HL2 does live up to all the hype, i agree also, frakin amazing game
I myself enjoy playing the gamecube, I think its a great machine.