Some texture reworks/touchups for xrucifix. Left is original, right is rework. Characters will also apparently be in game at < half that size, so feel free to ignore the texture seam on the purple guy's shoulders. >.>
fogmann: Little late with this, but...
He's looking real nice. Couple things look odd. His right side is very crisp which screams "cg". As for likeness, I'm sure you've come across more ref than I found, but from the few pictures on this site, his head looks longer than how you've modeled it (maybe it's the hat). Also, the eyebrow strands are long and scattered instead of looking like one mass. But if you're calling it finished, thats fine by me! =]
By the way, your Sam is looking wicked.
yeah, he looks hitmanish for sure demoncage, its just depends what kind you want.
I think the look you are going for is kind of stylised and works fine. you could bulk him up though and turn him in to more of the 'bouncer' kind of thug. it your call really.
I see him more of a sniper right now, rather than a piano wire man:)
i was actually intending more the tough guy look, so decided to give him a little beef job. hopefully this is working better. i'm a little nervous about the stylized comment, do you mean in terms of body proportions or are you just referring to the clean sub-d clothes without all the folds and shit? i don't mind if it looks a little idealized but definitely want it to come across as realism in the end.
I thijki it was the cleanness of the lines for the stylisation comment.
perhaos his pants could be slightly baggier, more folds gathering etc
I think his hands are a bit thin/childlike also and his legs are a bit spindly.
Quite ofen you see these bouncers in night clubs where they can barely fit in their suits, like gorillas
thanks for the crits. like i mentioned, the folds will be coming. i agree about the pants needing some slack at the bottom. hands will be going into zbrush for some beefing up. i kinda want to keep a top heavy feel to him though, so don't think i'll be massifying the legs too much.
At the moment, demoncage, he doesn't look topheavy so much as he looks light at the top and even absurdly lighter at the bottom. He looks like a hitman who'd get snapped like a twig by his first mark.
He still looks like a wus, he looks more like the sleazy russian who runs the joint and dsnt get his delicate hands dirty. He needs some brawn and beef if youre goin for the thug thing, make it look like hes used his hands, broken them a coule of times, and that prety face of his shouldnt be that prety if hes a thug and has taken a punch before. give him character. he dsnt instantly read thug, he does read mafia/criminal but not thug, keep pushin even beyond my quick paintover
His neck is thicker than his upper arms, and he has the shoulders of a 15 yearold boy. That doesn't read as menacing thug, it reads as someone who is trying and failing to look tough. I see those as being valid things to point out, unless you want your hitman to look disproportionate and fragile.
lol, c'mon ruz. suprore, dude, it's not what you're critiquing that's the problem, it's the fact that it was so openly condescending without any provocation. is there some personal problem you need to get off your chest? what's wrong honey? like i said, hands are going into zbrush.
They gave you solid, decent crits demoncage, chill. I didn't really sense any insults or condescension in their comments.
Take their advice and try not to be so defensive... gonna have to learn how to take harsher crits than that if you ever want to be a happy professional artist.
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They gave you solid, decent crits demoncage, chill. I didn't really sense any insults or condescension in their comments.
Take their advice and try not to be so defensive... gonna have to learn how to take harsher crits than that if you ever want to be a happy professional artist.
eh, that's fucking horseshit. the truth of the matter is a. this is not a work environment and he's not my art director. b. there are alot of artists registered on these boards that are better than me, but i'm one of the better artists on these boards, and if i were well established in the industry suprore would be eating the jiz out of my garbage can, which is not to imply that that's what i want because i don't really give a fuck, but some prior acknowledgement would be nice before you start making cocky remarks. c. even if the person making that critique had the credentials to back up the attitude and it was the first time they'd spoken to me on a public forum i'd be like "what the fuck is wrong with this dude?" d. this guy is not even in the same league as me but he's coming at me like he's got years on me after i've busted my ass for 4 years to get as good as i am. e. you can critique my model all you want and i'll take all of it in, that's why i post, but if you're going to be coming at me like that out of the blue on a public forum, your shit better be as good or better than mine, otherwise fuck you.
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eh, that's fucking horseshit. the truth of the matter is a. this is not a work environment and he's not my art director. b. there are alot of artists registered on these boards that are better than me, but i'm one of the better artists on these boards, and if i were well established in the industry suprore would be eating the jiz out of my garbage can, which is not to imply that that's what i want because i don't really give a fuck, but some prior acknowledgement would be nice before you start making cocky remarks. c. even if the person making that critique had the credentials to back up the attitude and it was the first time they'd spoken to me on a public forum i'd be like "what the fuck is wrong with this dude?" d. this guy is not even in the same league as me but he's coming at me like he's got years on me after i've busted my ass for 4 years to get as good as i am. e. you can critique my model all you want and i'll take all of it in, that's why i post, but if you're going to be coming at me like that out of the blue on a public forum, your shit better be as good or better than mine, otherwise fuck you.
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When exactly did waywo devolve into 'my art is better than ur art!!!'?
I'm not even going to get into childish squabbling over which of us is more proficient, it's completely irrelevant. I gave you valid critiques in a civil manner, and you've taken them rather horribly. Why you're still even posting about this is beyond me, you've made it clear you aren't interested in crits from me on this model and i've stopped giving them. No need to reduce yourself to personal attacks and idiotic ranting just because your feelings got hurt, or whatever.
Let's try and keep this out of this thread, though? If you just want to rant about how much better of an artist you are than me, and how that invalidates any critiques I might give you, it's probably better to clutter up my PM box instead of this thread.
demoncage , i would look at the paintover that was offered to you and seriously consider doing cloe to that , so right now your model doesnt seem beeffy the hand also seem a tad too skinny, and you say it will be revised on zbrush so ill wait and see
Also people in this board tend to be harsh , but in my opinion thats the best critics you can ever ask for . Suprore for some reason is acting like a pretentious prick, but it doesnt mean he doesnt have valid points, and i would reread the critc that were made to make your piece better
Kind of the point of posting something here for critiques is to get criticism. It's great for people not working in production currently to get feedback from other artists, just as they would in a work environment. It's this type of exchange that has elevated a lot of the hobbyists here to top-notch industry pros.
Why you are getting upset about some people's critiques is beyond me. They are trying to help you with the quality of your work, whether they are right or wrong in their suggestions. Feel free to disagree with them, as there's nothing wrong with that. But to turn this into some sort of personal conflict is just silly.
Either take their advice, or don't. It's your art, and you can do what you want with it. There's no call for insults or anger.
kiril0t's paintover screams style. I'd take that and roll with it. Additionally, SupRore has valid critiques for you. He isn't your art director, but he is a member of this community, like you. The only condescending/personal attacks I've seen are coming from you. Chillax, take it in, and let it help you create better art.
@davision3d: Lookin' kickass bud, is that snot coming from his nose or maggots? Do you plan on stopping here or going full out lowpoly/texture? Love the decaying ear. Needs more boils!
first of all, i was rebutting the ensuing posts, otherwise i wouldn't have posted anything.
second, hmm, if this was a forum for writers and some hackass poet started making crude comments about a piece from a better writer that he'd never spoken to before, would it be beyond assumption to think that that writer might feel a tinge of hostility towards the comments? hmmm. tinker tinker.
i'm going to say this one more time. i have no, *no* issues with people critiquing my work. if you look back you'll see that me and ruz had no problems...i'll leave it to you guys to figure out the rest. i think it's bullshit, and i think alot of this rock throwing is political. so, whatever. i'm not saying the points critiqued were not valid, but i think the delivery was total b.s. *end*
Are you still talking? SupRore NEVER said anything to warrant the kind of response you gave him. A wise man just mentioned that you should have left your squabbling to pms or email.
I think it's likely that you blew everything Sup said out of proportion and turned some otherwise helpful criticism into an attack that never happened.
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would it be beyond assumption to think that that writer might feel a tinge of hostility towards the comments?
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No, because it's always safe to assume that someone completely lacks the ability to receive good, constructive criticism. That, however, is their own fault and shouldn't stop people from offering it. It also helps weed out the immature folk from the forum (which has nothing to do with age, experience, or skill level), such as you.
Your hostile response was completely out of the blue and not even the slightest bit warranted. I had to go back and read the previous posts to find out what the hell you were talking about and I still can't find it.
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Some texture reworks/touchups for xrucifix. Left is original, right is rework. Characters will also apparently be in game at < half that size, so feel free to ignore the texture seam on the purple guy's shoulders. >.>
a little slow going on this guy. decided to work the bod a little more to make things look more natural. still just prep work before zbrush.
He's looking real nice. Couple things look odd. His right side is very crisp which screams "cg". As for likeness, I'm sure you've come across more ref than I found, but from the few pictures on this site, his head looks longer than how you've modeled it (maybe it's the hat). Also, the eyebrow strands are long and scattered instead of looking like one mass. But if you're calling it finished, thats fine by me! =]
By the way, your Sam is looking wicked.
tennis, tores: Tugs at my low-poly heart strings
obson: Been diggin' the progress on this guy!
BoBo: oh mai gawd, so cute =3
how do you texture those things,looks like just planar mapping in some places?
Love your work, and especially your models. Someone needs to hire you to make a game, because you've got way too much style to ignore.
Anyway I finally lit my guys head on fire.
adjusted the proportions to make him look more intimidating/thug like:
would you say he passes as a hitman at least?
Not quite done with the texture.
I think the look you are going for is kind of stylised and works fine. you could bulk him up though and turn him in to more of the 'bouncer' kind of thug. it your call really.
I see him more of a sniper right now, rather than a piano wire man:)
Suggestions for making him more ugly are welcome!
perhaos his pants could be slightly baggier, more folds gathering etc
I think his hands are a bit thin/childlike also and his legs are a bit spindly.
Quite ofen you see these bouncers in night clubs where they can barely fit in their suits, like gorillas
Aside from that, looking good.
anyone besides ruz have something valid to say?
anyone besides ruz have something valid to say?
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Let me rephrase, then.
His neck is thicker than his upper arms, and he has the shoulders of a 15 yearold boy. That doesn't read as menacing thug, it reads as someone who is trying and failing to look tough. I see those as being valid things to point out, unless you want your hitman to look disproportionate and fragile.
Take their advice and try not to be so defensive... gonna have to learn how to take harsher crits than that if you ever want to be a happy professional artist.
They gave you solid, decent crits demoncage, chill. I didn't really sense any insults or condescension in their comments.
Take their advice and try not to be so defensive... gonna have to learn how to take harsher crits than that if you ever want to be a happy professional artist.
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Truth.
eh, that's fucking horseshit. the truth of the matter is a. this is not a work environment and he's not my art director. b. there are alot of artists registered on these boards that are better than me, but i'm one of the better artists on these boards, and if i were well established in the industry suprore would be eating the jiz out of my garbage can, which is not to imply that that's what i want because i don't really give a fuck, but some prior acknowledgement would be nice before you start making cocky remarks. c. even if the person making that critique had the credentials to back up the attitude and it was the first time they'd spoken to me on a public forum i'd be like "what the fuck is wrong with this dude?" d. this guy is not even in the same league as me but he's coming at me like he's got years on me after i've busted my ass for 4 years to get as good as i am. e. you can critique my model all you want and i'll take all of it in, that's why i post, but if you're going to be coming at me like that out of the blue on a public forum, your shit better be as good or better than mine, otherwise fuck you.
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When exactly did waywo devolve into 'my art is better than ur art!!!'?
I'm not even going to get into childish squabbling over which of us is more proficient, it's completely irrelevant. I gave you valid critiques in a civil manner, and you've taken them rather horribly. Why you're still even posting about this is beyond me, you've made it clear you aren't interested in crits from me on this model and i've stopped giving them. No need to reduce yourself to personal attacks and idiotic ranting just because your feelings got hurt, or whatever.
Let's try and keep this out of this thread, though? If you just want to rant about how much better of an artist you are than me, and how that invalidates any critiques I might give you, it's probably better to clutter up my PM box instead of this thread.
demoncage , i would look at the paintover that was offered to you and seriously consider doing cloe to that , so right now your model doesnt seem beeffy
Also people in this board tend to be harsh , but in my opinion thats the best critics you can ever ask for . Suprore for some reason is acting like a pretentious prick, but it doesnt mean he doesnt have valid points, and i would reread the critc that were made to make your piece better
PEACE BITCHES
Why you are getting upset about some people's critiques is beyond me. They are trying to help you with the quality of your work, whether they are right or wrong in their suggestions. Feel free to disagree with them, as there's nothing wrong with that. But to turn this into some sort of personal conflict is just silly.
Either take their advice, or don't. It's your art, and you can do what you want with it. There's no call for insults or anger.
QQ less...refer to Geezus' signature.
kiril0t's paintover screams style. I'd take that and roll with it. Additionally, SupRore has valid critiques for you. He isn't your art director, but he is a member of this community, like you. The only condescending/personal attacks I've seen are coming from you. Chillax, take it in, and let it help you create better art.
@davision3d: Lookin' kickass bud, is that snot coming from his nose or maggots? Do you plan on stopping here or going full out lowpoly/texture? Love the decaying ear. Needs more boils!
stop cluttering the WAYWO with this trash
first of all, i was rebutting the ensuing posts, otherwise i wouldn't have posted anything.
second, hmm, if this was a forum for writers and some hackass poet started making crude comments about a piece from a better writer that he'd never spoken to before, would it be beyond assumption to think that that writer might feel a tinge of hostility towards the comments? hmmm. tinker tinker.
I think it's likely that you blew everything Sup said out of proportion and turned some otherwise helpful criticism into an attack that never happened.
would it be beyond assumption to think that that writer might feel a tinge of hostility towards the comments?
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No, because it's always safe to assume that someone completely lacks the ability to receive good, constructive criticism. That, however, is their own fault and shouldn't stop people from offering it. It also helps weed out the immature folk from the forum (which has nothing to do with age, experience, or skill level), such as you.
Your hostile response was completely out of the blue and not even the slightest bit warranted. I had to go back and read the previous posts to find out what the hell you were talking about and I still can't find it.
My little stinker Naomi
Davidson..cool zombie head