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Fanservice/Sexism in Anime and How Anime/Otakus Are Seen By Society

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  • .nL
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    You're both full of it. I've never seen a single man alive more than 98% dude. As much as we hate to admit it, we're all at least 2% bro.
  • Steve Schulze
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    Perhaps he's had dude implant surgery.
  • FullSynch
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    No dude's implanting in me fellows.:poly121: D.E.H., Dude Enhancing Hormone, it's totally natural.
  • TAN
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  • Justin Meisse
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    Morris: how do you feel about news reports about Otaku being socially stunted shut ins? Using your own logic, that means manga, anime and Japanese games are bad.

    The maddening thing about you is not that you don't like certain things, that's fine but you always have besmirch people who like things you don't like. I like the Elder Scrolls series, I must be an emotionally damaged shut-in that has to escape to fantasy land. Every time you join the hangout you mention One Piece, what horrible backstory is behind your need to escape to a nautical fantasy of pirates and magic fruit?
  • eld
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    ... a childhood involving a copious amounts of meat.
  • valuemeal
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    Justin Meisse
    I told you beforehand, I thought that these hikikomori weren't productive people. More than often these fellows cannot deal with society as a whole and often just give up. That's no good, you have to have the strength to care on.

    They don't really take the messages held within the shows and often fantasize about the ladies within the show; hence why I brought up the "dudes you wish you were and the girls you wish you could date" mantra. Also lurid figures are made due to that, that's no good at all.

    Also by my said logic, I wouldn't classify animation from a certain area as bad; however I find certain genres of animation bad. Harem,eechi, and moe-highschool drama are escapist narratives based in fanservice, and that won't do at all.
    Not all games either
    There are well made platformers, and other games made in the US.
    However there are a myriad of violent video games and woodland games as well.

    There are good games made in Japan, yet there are lurid titles such "love plus" and bishojo games as well.


    I am not so much jeering at the people, but the product.
    Believe me, I read through a D20 book a long time ago, and all of the things that I thought looked rather interesting were marked as this evil or chaotic archetype, while everything good was either based off of average everyday mammals, dudes with beards, or pretty fellows. It just didn't appeal to me as much; and when I came here everyone sang it's praises.

    Well you aren't a shut in kinda dude, but many fellows are and that's a problem.

    I usually mention one piece because you usually come in on Thursday, or the weekend.
    The manga is out on Thursday, and the anime adaptation is sometime between Saturday and Sunday; hence these are usually topics of discussion, for me at least.

    I am not really escaping while watching this one, nor would I want to place myself there.
    I just like seeing interesting techniques, bizarre designs, interesting areas, and strange takes on established basic super abilities. Also there was no fan service nor bisho type of people until a couple of years ago.
  • Justin Meisse
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    valuemeal wrote: »
    I am not really escaping while watching this one, nor would I want to place myself there.
    I just like seeing interesting techniques, bizarre designs, interesting areas, and strange takes on established basic super abilities. Also there was no fan service nor bisho type of people until a couple of years ago.

    yes, now take that thought and imagine you're a "woodland fellow" or fan of any other genre you don't like. They like it because they like it. There is no deep psychological problem behind it.

    there are shut-ins for every hobby. I'm sure there's a guy living in his mom's basement right now who's totally obsessed with One Piece.
  • AtticusMars
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    valuemeal wrote: »
    Also there was no fan service nor bisho type of people until a couple of years ago.
    lol wat

    Joking right?
  • Fingus
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    Morris, you're a good fellow. And I mean that, your heart is in the right place.
    But you need to stop categorizing everything in absolutes. It's really limiting your thinking.
  • polymator
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    This is all really fascinating but I get the feeling the word "Woodland" has nothing to do with trees...
  • Justin Meisse
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    When he says "woodland fellows" he means anyone who likes Tolken-esque medieval fantasy. I don't know if that applies to Final Fantasy.
  • polymator
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    Then why not Medieval Fantasy or High Fantasy? Why Woodland?
  • polymator
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    Ok so I skimmed through some of his other threads and I think I've got the gist...:whyme:
  • ikken
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    it looks like this with khia shamone BGM

    [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z7rA7rfO3I[/ame]
  • GarageBay9
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    TAN wrote: »
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    We could put that on T-shirts and sell them like hotcakes, y'know?
  • valuemeal
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    Justin Meisse
    You are right. There are fanatics for everything; perhaps I was being a bit too general.
    That's no good; perhaps I have seen too much of the lazy side and of the whole fantasy fandom; but ignored the hardworking fellows on poylcount who are medieval fellows, who make detailed crafts.

    Final Fantasy isn't woodland at all; even the early incarnations of the series had the player fighting robots, and high tech things in certain areas. It seemed to be a more displaced era sort of environment than a medieval fantasy; Final Fantasy 4 had hovercraft for goodness sake.

    AtticusMars
    Up until the 2 year time skip there was hardly any fan service, there still isn't any shipping and there wasn't bishonen in sight either. Not a fan of Nami's new design at all.

    ikken
    This more or less what I was talking about in terms of unrealistic expectations; this dude is sparkling,
    and girls won't go for any other dudes besides these types.

    Fingus

    Thanks indeed, to tell you the truth, this sort of thinking is really only used for rather lewd anime, and the tough guy games. Almost all other things are up for debate.
  • Skamberin
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    Heres a fun thing: Using evocative and fanservicy imagery to illustrate the dangers of being an extreme version of hikikomori and how it can damage your life. NSFW

    This is how art works, while intent and context can be used to communicate a certain idea or message, it is not inherently bad nor is it meant to suggest that consumers of such media are bad in any way.
    Shaming people for what they like is incredibly childish and constrictive to any growth.

    Also fanservice has existed for DECADES.
  • TAN
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    Skamberin wrote: »
    Shaming people for what they like is incredibly childish and constrictive to any growth.


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  • valuemeal
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    While trying to broaden my horizons on such things I happened upon a title called "Heroes of the Storm" by these frozen Blizzard fellows everyone seems to rave about.

    It doesn't seem as woodland as the other titles I viewed, to tell you the truth it seems more akin to He-MAN,Pirates of Dark Water, or Mighty Max than a woodland tale. This seems most interesting indeed.
  • kanga
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    Skamberin wrote: »
    Heres a fun thing: Using evocative and fanservicy imagery to illustrate the dangers of being an extreme version of hikikomori and how it can damage your life. NSFW

    This is how art works, while intent and context can be used to communicate a certain idea or message, it is not inherently bad nor is it meant to suggest that consumers of such media are bad in any way.
    Shaming people for what they like is incredibly childish and constrictive to any growth.

    Also fanservice has existed for DECADES.
    I really enjoyed that video. That was some kickbutt art and animation. Is this what all the fuss is about? Art porn? I'd rate the quality of the images I saw in the animation above any skin flick I have ever seen. Am I now become derangement itself?

    I would horse whip myself,.. if I had a horse :)
  • Skamberin
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    valuemeal wrote: »
    While trying to broaden my horizons on such things I happened upon a title called "Heroes of the Storm" by these frozen Blizzard fellows everyone seems to rave about.

    Why are you judging peoples taste in games when you're so out of the loop about them?

    Like, really? "frozen Blizzard fellows"? Really?
    Fuck it I'm out, I can't deal.
  • kanga
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    Skamberin wrote: »
    Like, really? "frozen Blizzard fellows"? Really?
    I think its just his sense of humor.
  • GarageBay9
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    kanga wrote: »
    I think its just his sense of humor.

    He's the poster Polycount deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
  • Hazardous
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    I remember the last thread got hammered with pictures of deli meats, and i think some of us got told off.

    This time, I'm steering clear of the hams, juicy bacon and just going to post this very *very* tiny salami.

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  • Joao Sapiro
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    wow that actually looks tasty , what other delicassies you know of ?

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    you should try the "porco preto" chorizo.
  • adam
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    Do try and avoid thread-shitting if you're going to at all participate in the thread. I'd like to avoid editing posts and/or closing threads if at all possible.
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