Oh finally a SAI user! I love Sai but the lacks of any updates make me wanna change for paintstorm, It feel like the brush react similar to SAI, what's your opinion in term of comparison between those 2 softwares.
I liked Sai for a bit but the lack of updates and the way the software was designed makes it feel so "legacy" to me but I absolutely love the binary brushes. I hope Paintstorm gets some binary-like brushes at some point. For a little while I even reverse engineered Sai to give it additional features.
Coming from photoshop, I really hope to switch to paintstorm. I wish there was a forum or something to give feedback on.
I was under the impression that Clip Paint/Manga Studio 5 was by the same people that did SAI? Is this not true? It has a ton of similarities of UI and the way it feels. That being said.. I actually still prefer SAI to MS5 because of the shotcuts and how lightweight it feels feature wise vs MS5.
I gave paintstorm a try... really, REALLY liking how the brush engine feels. I just need to figure out the shortkeys here. Also, I'm getting a bug where my paintbrush will just randomly paint black.
Not crazy about the license being tied to my hardware. That's just a future headache when I upgrade my PC. Would have been nice to know that detail before I paid for it.
I also have this issue even with new 1.26 version. It can be fixed by deleting tablet preferences thought Wacom Tablet Preference File Utility. Unfortunately this works only until next windows reboot.
Yeah, this needs to be fixed. I use paint software to sketch quick ideas while I work. Deleting the Wacom preferences destroys my hotkeys.
Not crazy about the license being tied to my hardware. That's just a future headache when I upgrade my PC. Would have been nice to know that detail before I paid for it.
I should be clear. I don't know if I have to buy it again to activate it on other hardware, but I don't like having to contact someone to reactivate something.
Right now the demo gives you a unique hardware ID at startup, you have to email that ID to the guy after you purchase it and then he emails you a key to use. I'm guessing the ID is tied to the key so if I build a new PC I have to contact him all over again.
I was turned off by the hardware id lock as well when I purchased. Hopefully they can revamp their ID system to be something exact as Marmoset Toolbags way of doing system lock and let the user deactivate and reactivate their copies via email notification.
I would love to fiddle with it for lunch time at work and show my co-workers but I won't bother with the superstitious shenanigans of paranoia software developers who worry ever so about the lurking pirate x-force cracker. Which I can assure, X-Force and those of the like, don't prefer cracking software generously priced as low as Paintstorm provides.
I`ve picked it up too, looking forward to using this for coloring work due to the nice blending and brushes. Nice work there!
I`ve been using SAI a lot too and I`m surprised everyone complains about no updates/the software being abandoned. Has no one heard that they are working on SAI 2? There`s a preview build available too i think.
I`ve been using SAI a lot too and I`m surprised everyone complains about no updates/the software being abandoned. Has no one heard that they are working on SAI 2? There`s a preview build available too i think.
Just try it, the brush are really nice, but it lags way too much and i have a great computer. the only thing open was youtube. I usually paint with netflix + skype, + steam + tones of internet window open + maya. So i can't see that working for me ATM
Just try it, the brush are really nice, but it lags way too much and i have a great computer. the only thing open was youtube. I usually paint with netflix + skype, + steam + tones of internet window open + maya. So i can't see that working for me ATM
Paint storm or sai 2?
You should really try clip studio, that even performs well on my vivotab note (1.2ghz 4X intel atom). If it wasn't for the ram (2gb) i could do complete work with it.
Yeah, it should just use a key for protection, this is a bit much. And honestly, there's no guarantee you'll get an email back when you're trying to activate this on your next pc in a few years.
Sai seems faster becouse there is no hairy brushes. but if you try to use a large hairy brush in Corel painter - you will see that Paintstorm is much faster. And the main thing - SAI does not have ability to pickup underlayer colors.
Issue with several monitors is already solved. What about using one license on many PC's - where is the guarantee that you will not will distribute them to your friends? Such requirements seem strange. But you can buy 2 licenses with discount 50%.
You should really try clip studio, that even performs well on my vivotab note (1.2ghz 4X intel atom). If it wasn't for the ram (2gb) i could do complete work with it.
Paintstorm lags a lot and i have a really good pc and good memory, never lag on sai.
The last time i bought a 1-key software (it was a 3ds max plugin), i made an arguement with developer and got my second key for free. After that he understood the situation and made second key free for everyone. It's really a "must" as WarrenM says.
I know it's really bad to hear this but whenever Paintstorm got popular, you will see it on hundreds of pirate websites. Just give them a reason to buy it.
Photoshop needs to add this perspective drawing/painting function to the software I, I've seen a plug in which does something similiar but it only runs on windows as well
Not bad but the computer ID lock and UI make me rage, also i just bought Clip Studio which i really prefer so far even over openCanvas. Ohh and btw the SAI 2 beta looks neat also creator accepts feature requests.
As soon as the app gets a normal Key-Activation I'll buy a copy as well.
If you would like to protect it more, maybe you should consider a dongle like PMG's messiah studio. Where the user binds the license file to a specific USB Stick.
If you would like to protect it more, maybe you should consider a dongle like PMG's messiah studio. Where the user binds the license file to a specific USB Stick.
it is horrible and would stop nobody, if there is demand cracks will come faster, all it will do is make the experience for the legit buyers less enjoyable.
Well in my experience, the more you fear of something, the more of that something will come.
So to the Paintstorm guys. Evading the idea that you can prevent people from cracking your software is "inevitable". I'd say, make it reachable to as many people as possible and you will see your invested time come back in return with heighten amounts of gratitude and reputable reviews from your customers.
Because the underlying notion that you'd worry about people pirating your software is only due to the fear of not obtaining money for your work. Don't work for your money, make the money work for your work.
Prevention of cracking is only asking to be cracked. Its not rocket science...
What about using one license on many PC's - where is the guarantee that you will not will distribute them to your friends? Such requirements seem strange. But you can buy 2 licenses with discount 50%.
You're being too paranoid and it's turning a lot of people away. You have something special here and I'd hate to see it die off so quickly. If you want to insure that people pay for the software then you need to come up with a different method than hardware IDs and limiting installs. These days artists use multiple computers at random locations all the time.
What about a login system? Have people create an account when they purchase and use that account to log into the software when you open it. If you do not login in have the program switch to a bare bones limited version. This would allow installs on multiple machines and people will pay you to get full access to all of the features.
Of all the licensed software I own, Toolbag 2 handles multiple computers the best IMO. You log in from one location that isn't licensed, it sends you an email with a one click link that transfers your license to that computer. There's no limits, I can go back and forth between work and home or between my mobile unit and home whenever I want. I'd also say substances new rent-to-own system is pretty awesome as well.
There's a lot of good examples of how to approach this problem, I would do some research and find a better approach than you have now, like Count Versalot said, the current licensing method is turning away buyers, and that's a real shame since I think the software is quite awesome and would love to see it succeed.
Venain: That's still not great. Software like Modo or 3DCoat just checks if you have two licenses running concurrently, without the need to activate/deactive or click anything. I think Substance Designer/Painter do the same, but I'm not sure (I use the Steam version).
Still though, I'm in favour of just a key, no checks. As was said, whatever you do it'll be cracked anyway, so don't annoy your actual customers with security measures.
The Toolbag2 system doesn't bug you if you already have the license activated (completely silent if your license is attached to the comp), it's just super handy if you have to switch between different computers a lot. It don't find it annoying at all, since the only reason you see it is if it's the first time you're using it on computer A in a while after having to use computer B. No worries about whether or not you have to deactivate the license when you're moving around, no having to manually email anyone to request deactivations or reactivations.
But having said that, I'm not sure that system is appropriate for a painting software. I generally don't need my painting software to be that portable-- I only really do big paintings at two places ever, Work/Home. So two licenses that can be deactivated and reactivated in the event that a comp dies or I leave work seems like a better deal.
With Toolbag, I tend to take it everywhere and use it to check a lot of things on the go or on less than ideal setups (I think the most I've had to transfer licenses in a day was upwards of 4 times, all different machines), which would have been hell if the license didn't let me use more than just the two machines. I simply don't do this with the paintings I'd be doing with Paintstorm.
Still, I agree that the less hassle to the customer, the better. You're more likely to get people pirating out of spite by causing inconveniences than you are to get more paying customers, no matter how low the price.
While I do agree that hardware-locked licenses are awfully annoying, I honestly don't think that the argument of being able to install it "at work and at home" has any weight and just makes the conversation we are having here more confusing that it needs to be. After all, a studio is not supposed to allow you to use personal-licensed software for work-related tasks, and would get in trouble for doing so. Unless we are talking about lunch doodles here, but I that's a bit of a special case.
Anyways - very curious about the app, but when I tried it at the time of the OP it didn't seem to work on my setup (multiple monitors, Cintiq as main). I am not too surprised by that though, as most new 2D apps tend to have trouble with this kind of setup at first, but it usually get fixed after a few updates. Time will tell !
When I got to check for updates in Paintstorm it says it's up to date and I still have the dual monitor problem. Is there a new update? How do I get it? Do I have to email you?
Was going to be an instant buy for me after seeing the news on cgchannel.com and watching the videos.
Decided to give the trial a go, very good first impression.
Until the 'your trial time frame has expired'-message popped up, forcing me to quit the program and start again.
If you give a 15 day trial, it should work for that period of time without further restrictions. Makes no sense to me, is just annoying, and scares away potential customers.
Second: the hardware lock. A no-go for me. Of course you need to protect your software, but please do so without annoying customers.
Make the software check online periodically for simultaneous use of the same license, give a warning first, then block the license after continued abuse.
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I liked Sai for a bit but the lack of updates and the way the software was designed makes it feel so "legacy" to me but I absolutely love the binary brushes. I hope Paintstorm gets some binary-like brushes at some point. For a little while I even reverse engineered Sai to give it additional features.
Coming from photoshop, I really hope to switch to paintstorm. I wish there was a forum or something to give feedback on.
I gave paintstorm a try... really, REALLY liking how the brush engine feels. I just need to figure out the shortkeys here. Also, I'm getting a bug where my paintbrush will just randomly paint black.
Yeah, this needs to be fixed. I use paint software to sketch quick ideas while I work. Deleting the Wacom preferences destroys my hotkeys.
For real ?
This just turn me off from buying it.
Right now the demo gives you a unique hardware ID at startup, you have to email that ID to the guy after you purchase it and then he emails you a key to use. I'm guessing the ID is tied to the key so if I build a new PC I have to contact him all over again.
The application itself was fun to use, but with something like above I'll stick with the apps I already have.
I would love to fiddle with it for lunch time at work and show my co-workers but I won't bother with the superstitious shenanigans of paranoia software developers who worry ever so about the lurking pirate x-force cracker. Which I can assure, X-Force and those of the like, don't prefer cracking software generously priced as low as Paintstorm provides.
I`ve been using SAI a lot too and I`m surprised everyone complains about no updates/the software being abandoned. Has no one heard that they are working on SAI 2? There`s a preview build available too i think.
Yeah there is -> here: https://www.systemax.jp/en/sai/devdept.html
But Paintstorm Studio has a lot more to offer, even though it's a little bit slow on my machine sometimes.
Edit: The ruler thing is nice, but seem to miss a lot of feature from the old sai. Also apparently it's been the same beta since 2013..
^I can agree with this.
Besides what about people with multiple devices or computers? What if you experience multiple device failures like a graphics card?
2 times a year is a bit low.
Paint storm or sai 2?
You should really try clip studio, that even performs well on my vivotab note (1.2ghz 4X intel atom). If it wasn't for the ram (2gb) i could do complete work with it.
Please Mr Dev?
Or if not could you at least explain your reasons for it?
Issue with several monitors is already solved. What about using one license on many PC's - where is the guarantee that you will not will distribute them to your friends? Such requirements seem strange. But you can buy 2 licenses with discount 50%.
Paintstorm lags a lot and i have a really good pc and good memory, never lag on sai.
I know it's really bad to hear this but whenever Paintstorm got popular, you will see it on hundreds of pirate websites. Just give them a reason to buy it.
Integrated graphics card?
And its so called "skeletal' brush strokes.
Too bad Microsoft killed the soft and even made Windows version no more available, Their "Design' attempt is just a castrated original version.
on the gtx 570 it worked without any problems.
If you would like to protect it more, maybe you should consider a dongle like PMG's messiah studio. Where the user binds the license file to a specific USB Stick.
Why not? It's not that bad.
So to the Paintstorm guys. Evading the idea that you can prevent people from cracking your software is "inevitable". I'd say, make it reachable to as many people as possible and you will see your invested time come back in return with heighten amounts of gratitude and reputable reviews from your customers.
Because the underlying notion that you'd worry about people pirating your software is only due to the fear of not obtaining money for your work. Don't work for your money, make the money work for your work.
Prevention of cracking is only asking to be cracked. Its not rocket science...
Perhaps pay for additional dpi or pixels to add to your canvases.
Hah! Brilliant! :poly142:
You're being too paranoid and it's turning a lot of people away. You have something special here and I'd hate to see it die off so quickly. If you want to insure that people pay for the software then you need to come up with a different method than hardware IDs and limiting installs. These days artists use multiple computers at random locations all the time.
What about a login system? Have people create an account when they purchase and use that account to log into the software when you open it. If you do not login in have the program switch to a bare bones limited version. This would allow installs on multiple machines and people will pay you to get full access to all of the features.
There's a lot of good examples of how to approach this problem, I would do some research and find a better approach than you have now, like Count Versalot said, the current licensing method is turning away buyers, and that's a real shame since I think the software is quite awesome and would love to see it succeed.
Still though, I'm in favour of just a key, no checks. As was said, whatever you do it'll be cracked anyway, so don't annoy your actual customers with security measures.
But having said that, I'm not sure that system is appropriate for a painting software. I generally don't need my painting software to be that portable-- I only really do big paintings at two places ever, Work/Home. So two licenses that can be deactivated and reactivated in the event that a comp dies or I leave work seems like a better deal.
With Toolbag, I tend to take it everywhere and use it to check a lot of things on the go or on less than ideal setups (I think the most I've had to transfer licenses in a day was upwards of 4 times, all different machines), which would have been hell if the license didn't let me use more than just the two machines. I simply don't do this with the paintings I'd be doing with Paintstorm.
Still, I agree that the less hassle to the customer, the better. You're more likely to get people pirating out of spite by causing inconveniences than you are to get more paying customers, no matter how low the price.
It kind of takes the wind out of you when you get excited about a piece of software, but then the dev just argues when you try and have a discussion.
We are paying customers, and i would dare say that a very large proportion of his sales so far is coming from this side of town..
I don't know how aggressive companies get with suits over that kind of stuff, though
Anyways - very curious about the app, but when I tried it at the time of the OP it didn't seem to work on my setup (multiple monitors, Cintiq as main). I am not too surprised by that though, as most new 2D apps tend to have trouble with this kind of setup at first, but it usually get fixed after a few updates. Time will tell !
When I got to check for updates in Paintstorm it says it's up to date and I still have the dual monitor problem. Is there a new update? How do I get it? Do I have to email you?
Decided to give the trial a go, very good first impression.
Until the 'your trial time frame has expired'-message popped up, forcing me to quit the program and start again.
If you give a 15 day trial, it should work for that period of time without further restrictions. Makes no sense to me, is just annoying, and scares away potential customers.
Second: the hardware lock. A no-go for me. Of course you need to protect your software, but please do so without annoying customers.
Make the software check online periodically for simultaneous use of the same license, give a warning first, then block the license after continued abuse.
I did not buy the software.
Just my 2 cents.