So this isn't the final IP or anything - I'll probably burn it down and rebuild with a few more fixes. But it's nearly ready for prime time. At the very least it is light years better without any extra customization.
Update: So if you thought you saw the new version go live - you aren't crazy. I did a last minute re-architecting of things the past two days and tried to push it this morning only to find a few bugs - most notably that anonymous edits were allowed so someone change the main page within seconds of it hitting the net.
Just wanted to let folks know that the momentum hasn't died - just cleaning up hacks and making it production ready.
Arghhhh, the white! THE BRIGHTNESS!! Lol, was seriously expecting the same theme as here on PC, so the whiteness came as a shock. Any chance that there is a theme setting to change it from that?
Someone needs to make a skin. I'm up to my ears in work right now, can't devote to the wiki just yet. If no one else does it, I plan to make one. Anyone interested?
is the formatting odd to anyone else on some pages? Example in Environment - EnvironmentSculpting? Theres an image path but images arent showing up and it has a bunch of ><<>:
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Here are a couple images I fixed yesterday. First set of three is in a Gallery, the others are single images. Edit to see the markup. http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Normal_Maps
I think it would be nice if the wiki was more image centric. I seem to recall some pages being like that on the old wiki, kind of like a portfolio but for tutorials. For the technical stuff there obviously will have to be a big wall of text, but for tutorial pages it would be nice if it was just big thumbnails.
I don't mind doing some of the work if you decide to go down that route.
Btw, is there a reason that all categories and tags ect is just one word? For example CharacterModeling, is it because you can't have spaces in it for seach to work?
Edit: To further elaborate, I was thinking something like WoWWiki or the Dark Souls Wikia where there would be an extensive writeup, including images throughout but also embedded videos in the page for people who prefer to learn that way.
There's been a lot of really useful videos made, particularly on certain subjects like Normal Maps. I think we should have the option of embedding the most informative videos into the page instead of just dumping them in a massive list sandwiched between less useful but still relevant links.
It would be nice if the Wiki's icon was something a little different from the forum just to separate itself a little. With multiple tabs in my browser open I can't tell what's what!
No need to bug them, they already gave the go-ahead. Although if you want a db dump that's a different thing, and would require some of chesseplus' time on this end.
No need to bug them, they already gave the go-ahead. Although if you want a db dump that's a different thing, and would require some of chesseplus' time on this end.
Didnt realize you can just do view source. Will start migrating/cleaning up the content.
I wanted to do some updating of the Tools page, especially regarding Softimage, however did not have permission to do so:
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I plan on tackling the texturing pages(s). I think with the new format and readability the category pages should be shuffled to the back, and that main articles should contain more lists. I'm still deciding on an overall draft of what it should look like. Re-naming and adding the old pages to new ones is going to take me a long time, apologies if i end up breaking lots of links in the process.
In the old wiki, Category pages had a ton of content. This is bad, too hidden. That content should be moved to new non-Category "main article" pages. In the new wiki, Categories should only have short summaries inside, if anything. They're just automated lists.
Yeah, I mean that Category pages should have a ton of links in them, but ONLY because the category name is at the bottom of lots of pages. The Category page itself shouldn't contain a bunch of hand-added links.
This category page has too much info in it, it should just be a short summary, and move that content out into an article named something like "Character" (what is a game character, what is the process, etc.). http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Category:Character
But hey I don't want to impose a ton of rules or anything. That inhibits new editors. Better to keep it wide open and let people discover what works best.
Started a bit on the shaders stuff yesterday from TAO. A lot of the images are broken so might have to redo a lot. Might also try and see if maybe live webgl sandbox might be better option/addition.
I had forgotten that Category links are automatically included at the bottom for tagged pages.
The Game Industry page is a good example, I think "Texturing" as a main article will look something between that and a portal such as this, but not nearly so massive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Visual_arts
Define, refine, and expand, with links to related topics that would be too large to include in the main page. In the end, it should be easy for users to flow through the information, and future editors should have little to no question about where to add new content.
I was looking on the wiki formatting page, and it mentioned something about using black for tables, however won't we run into problems with this, if we changed the skin/colors of the wiki? http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/WikiFormatting
I would upload it at the original (highest) resolution, then use wiki formatting to make it as small as needed on the page. That way you can adjust the size easily.
For example:
* [[Image:TrackerKnifeTut.jpg|thumb|left|140px]] [http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118043 Tracker Knife - NextGen asset tutorial series] by ''[http://www.polycount.com/forum/member.php?u=41301 Joe Harford]''<br clear="all"/>
I goofed yesterday "fixing" the page for normal map, I misunderstood how case should work for article titles, but I can't delete pages. Only the first word should be capitalized. Searching for "normal map" won't land at the "Normal_Map" page.
At the most basic you can have easier images with captions, but you can really go to town. For obvious reasons I can't tell you what we use, but treat them as little bits of CSS style snippets for wrapping external links, warnings, pseudo code and so on, and you'll ensure common readability.
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http://162.243.134.94/wiki/Polycount
Fell asleep with the final commands in my terminal to build it. Will be working on the final push today.
Just wanted to let folks know that the momentum hasn't died - just cleaning up hacks and making it production ready.
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http://wiki.polycount.com/
Tiled Bricks and Stones
File:EnvironmentSculpting$sculpt IFoughtABear.png <
> ZBrush Tiling Sculpts - Zbrush methods to tile directly on a tool using brushes. One uses a double-size sculpt, the other uses WrapMode.<
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The old images have been uploaded already, but the image tags need to be converted manually to the new markup.
Lotsa help:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Rendering_a_single_image
Here are a couple images I fixed yesterday. First set of three is in a Gallery, the others are single images. Edit to see the markup.
http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Normal_Maps
Just an example tho.
I don't mind doing some of the work if you decide to go down that route.
MoinMoin automatically interprets CamelCase as a link, so that's what we used. MediaWiki doesn't do this. So feel free to rename pages.
Also we had a hierarchy of names, based on Art Disciplines, but a lot of people don't like this.
I'm cool with whatever consensus we evolve into. After all, it's your wiki!
Edit: To further elaborate, I was thinking something like WoWWiki or the Dark Souls Wikia where there would be an extensive writeup, including images throughout but also embedded videos in the page for people who prefer to learn that way.
There's been a lot of really useful videos made, particularly on certain subjects like Normal Maps. I think we should have the option of embedding the most informative videos into the page instead of just dumping them in a massive list sandwiched between less useful but still relevant links.
Ill bug one of the Rob's :P
No need to bug them, they already gave the go-ahead. Although if you want a db dump that's a different thing, and would require some of chesseplus' time on this end.
Didnt realize you can just do view source. Will start migrating/cleaning up the content.
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In the old wiki, Category pages had a ton of content. This is bad, too hidden. That content should be moved to new non-Category "main article" pages. In the new wiki, Categories should only have short summaries inside, if anything. They're just automated lists.
As an example, this used to be CategoryGameIndustry in the old wiki, but now its a main article instead, as it should be.
http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Game_Industry
This is what a new category page should look like:
http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Category:WikiInformation
This category page has too much info in it, it should just be a short summary, and move that content out into an article named something like "Character" (what is a game character, what is the process, etc.).
http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Category:Character
But hey I don't want to impose a ton of rules or anything. That inhibits new editors. Better to keep it wide open and let people discover what works best.
The Game Industry page is a good example, I think "Texturing" as a main article will look something between that and a portal such as this, but not nearly so massive:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Visual_arts
Define, refine, and expand, with links to related topics that would be too large to include in the main page. In the end, it should be easy for users to flow through the information, and future editors should have little to no question about where to add new content.
http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/WikiFormatting
That might be a good page to store helpful editing hints. Like how to format a picture, how to attribute, etc.
For example:
http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Normal_map
^Is the correct one, it currently resides at
http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Normal_Map
http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Talk:Normal_map
I'll fix this. I'll move the content to "Normal map".
BTW, that page is not my baby, neither is anything on the wiki for that matter. Please help edit it!
It'd be nice to have Youtube/Vimeo/etc. embeds. Probably requires installing an extension.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Templates
At the most basic you can have easier images with captions, but you can really go to town. For obvious reasons I can't tell you what we use, but treat them as little bits of CSS style snippets for wrapping external links, warnings, pseudo code and so on, and you'll ensure common readability.
I'll create a few for you, it's to the wiki gods to police them though.