Loving the current NP you're doing man! and love seeing your twitch stream! I think I'm gonna toss up my own next weekend. Any issues making one?
as for the treant, the proportions seem to be an issue right now. The concept is much thinner or taller which I think works nicely. Yours is getting a little too stumpy right now imo. and I love that concept by artypi but now that I'm seeing the model those hands don't seem to fit the design. Very clawlike and not deer like. If anything maybe they just follow the design cues from the feet (being stumpyier in the hand region)? or is that a rigging and animation limitation? As for those leaves, careful that they don't get too furry looking, keep those leaves flat instead of thick like bunches of fur.
Looking forward to seeing this get finished! its coming along great!
Streaming is super easy! OBS (Open Broadcaster Software) is probably the best software to do it, and it's also pretty straightforward.
Yeah, I got a bit carried away making it all stumpy, haha! I'll need to change some stuff around, I will get on that tomorrow. I didn't work that much on the hands, so it's not close to what I want, but I really appreciate the suggestions, and I agree that they're a bit stumpy right now. About the leaves, that's exactly the problem that I plan to solve tomorrow. They look too much like fur, and that's not what I want. I'll get some extra references of leaves from items currently in-game so I can make them look good
Thanks a lot for the feedback and for watching the stream!
Giant nose, begone! Now it actually looks like an eye, with a defined nose and ears. I'm also trying to get a look with layered leaves on the neck and back, and that's what I got so far. Would love some thoughts on it.
Hey Belkun,
really liked the ears, theres some small things I notice though,
the horns silhoutte is kinda different from the concept, the tail too but mostly when looking from behind, maybe making the tail a little more puffy on the sides would help, also the thumbs are little longer than the concept making it look more like a hand than a claw.
hope any of this crit helps
I did some slight changes to the horns angle, added some sort of nails and shortened the thumb and did some adjustments to the tail. They're still not quite where I want them to be, specially the horns, but they're a bit better.
I'm also thinking about starting those leaves from scratch. I don't like how they flow and they're a bit too simple right now.
I'm suuuper tired! I probably could have used a insert mesh brush for the leaves, but for some reason I decided to keep duplicating and placing them manually with transpose.
i have to say, i like the concept head alot more because its *more tree* and less animal.
Yeah, the original concept looks a lot more like a tree, but the eyes weren't reading that well, so we decided to change some stuff, like adding the ears and nose, so it reads more like an animal and also goes with our deer theme.
still the original concept is also more mythical in its designline. it gives the tree something that i would buy him. now the actual one looks like a boring pokemon sry for my harsh words.. i rly loved the concept.. and btw to me the eyes are very much readable.
I can't unsee nose. I think compared to the concept, your head is way longer. Pushing the snout in to make it more tear drop shaped instead of nose will help it alot.
I think the eyes should probably be a bit lower too? They seem correct for a natural/anatomical perspective, but in the concept they are way lower, like along the jawline.
I think any major tells you can add to separate this from a clear animal, to a summoned hunk of tree will help you push it out of the realm of "Shock Pokemon"
Haha, don't worry! Different opinions are always welcome! I agree that the concept is indeed more mythical, but everyone had different opinions about the old eye, so that's why we changed it.
They are indeed lower on the concept, but again, we changed it so it read better, since it wasn't looking like an eye. And about the face, I'm still messing with it. An elongated face looks more like a deer, which is the theme, but a more pudgier face is a bit cuter and different, so we're trying to go for something in the middle.
Here's a more recent paintover Arty did yesterday with the face:
I'm working really close with Arty, so we're always talking about it and possibly doing changes. Don't worry about me straying too far from the concept or anything like that, I always check with the concept artist first before doing any big changes.
Keep the suggestions coming! They really help a lot
Some refinement and extra touches today! Adjusted the face a bit making it less elongated, rotated the horns so they have a better silhouette from the front, made the ear more reminiscent of deer ears, added symmetry to the leaves, made the arm a bit thinner and repositioned it a little, more work on the fingers such as moving them so they look more like claws, work on the hooves and the flowers! So far me an Arty are both happy with how it's looking
Tomorrow I plan on doing lots and lots of clean up, especially on the wooden body, maybe adding an extra sub-d and start some details. I may also add some extra flowers to the arm to make it less boring, and if possible, lay down some base colors.
Sculpt is really close to being done! Just need lots of cleanup on the wood, which was really tough to nail, but thanks everyone so much who helped me with some tips and extra references
Hayes helped me A LOT cleaning up a bit of the shape, adjusting some proportions and on the face, which now resembles the original concept a bit more, with less of that "Pok
Here's one last update for the night. A lot cleaner, and thanks to some suggestions I angled him a bit backwards and moved his front legs a bit forward so it looks more balanced.
Still, if any of you can think of any suggestions or critique, feel free to say it! Otherwise, I think that I'll start laying down some colors tomorrow
Well, that's it for today I think! I believe that the treant and the set are done! Just need to wait for Arty to finish off the staff and I'll start on it right away
nice! those leaves are looking a tad repetative. Mostly due to the size of them all being the same and the colours all being the exact same. Maybe toss on some mask by polygroup and change up the size and colour of some? I think that would really make those sing. in case you didn't know I'm referring to this
Can really help to just break those up some more. Can't wait to see this finished up Belkun!
Yeah, I planned to do this as I said on the Workshop thread, but I forgot to do an AutoGroup, and now I have a 4m tris mesh with only one polygroup, if I try to do it ZBrush just hangs. I'll see if I can solve this, but if not, the colors can easily be changed once we get to texturing. Also, I'm not sure if I can change the size of them individually, even with a mask.
oh whoops! didn't see that answer there on that thread. As for the scaling, I'm mostly thinking just using the move tool to enact the scaling. It's not super direct or 100% consistent but since these are leaves I'm thinking that should work just fine
Starting on the staff for the NP set! Did some lowpolies for the set but didn't stream it, since I like to take a bit of time with the retopo instead of doing it all day as I do with ZBrush.
The bottom is supposed to be a hoof, but it doesn't look quite like the way it should, probably need to be less flat and more round. On the other hand, I think that I'm getting a quite nice wood sculpt, much better than the first try on the treant.
Nice Staff! Are you finished with the colors? Too much brown makes it not so interesting... make some break ups in the colors and you are golden :thumbup:
Nice Staff! Are you finished with the colors? Too much brown makes it not so interesting... make some break ups in the colors and you are golden :thumbup:
I'm going to make the part near the little hoof on the bottom more green tinted, along with maybe a more pronounced blue lighting on the staff's "head" some general color variation and some more saturation/vibrance on the wood, but I'll do that later on through Photoshop, since ZBrush doesn't have the best tools for coloring.
I think that I'm done with lod0 and all the bakes! Now onto lod1, organize the textures and rig it! Though I'm probably going to work on the treant before doing the rigging.
Been a week since I posted something, so here are some updates! Base textures on the NP set are done! Arty is now doing some magic on them, while I'm trying to fix some skinning stuff and finish the treant lowpoly.
I'm also working on a sword for Skywrath Mage with BladeOfEvilsBane!
ohh! i really like that skywrath sword! Curious, how much was done in zbrush and how much was done in a traditional modelling package? I ask cause the blade and similar details are so so clean I'm curious how you did em if you did them in zbrush.
Long winded question is long winded.
It was pretty much 100% Maya, haha! Blade didn't want any scratches or anything like that, so the only thing I'm doing on ZBrush is smooth out some edges and the polypaint.
Thanks! The animations were a problem that Blade though we would have and why he didn't give the concept to anyone, but I really liked it and it prompted me to check every single animation on the model viewer, and I don't think that I'll have much problems, the only one that may be awkward is the teleportation one where he holds the weapon with both hands, but all of the other ones should work fairly well. However, if we have any problems, we may do some custom animations
Treant lowpoly and base textures are DONE! I may do some tweaks on the mesh, but for now it's finished! I think that my work on the NP set is almost done for the moment, just need to do the masks later. In the meantime, Arty is working on the textures and hayes will soon begin some rigging and animations
We're still tweaking some colors and masks, and I still gotta deal with lots of stuff on the mantle skinning, but it's getting really really close to finished
Here's a shot from Marmoset:
Again, it's still pretty much WIP, especially the treant, but I think that it's coming along nicely
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as for the treant, the proportions seem to be an issue right now. The concept is much thinner or taller which I think works nicely. Yours is getting a little too stumpy right now imo. and I love that concept by artypi but now that I'm seeing the model those hands don't seem to fit the design. Very clawlike and not deer like. If anything maybe they just follow the design cues from the feet (being stumpyier in the hand region)? or is that a rigging and animation limitation? As for those leaves, careful that they don't get too furry looking, keep those leaves flat instead of thick like bunches of fur.
Looking forward to seeing this get finished! its coming along great!
Streaming is super easy! OBS (Open Broadcaster Software) is probably the best software to do it, and it's also pretty straightforward.
Yeah, I got a bit carried away making it all stumpy, haha! I'll need to change some stuff around, I will get on that tomorrow. I didn't work that much on the hands, so it's not close to what I want, but I really appreciate the suggestions, and I agree that they're a bit stumpy right now. About the leaves, that's exactly the problem that I plan to solve tomorrow. They look too much like fur, and that's not what I want. I'll get some extra references of leaves from items currently in-game so I can make them look good
Thanks a lot for the feedback and for watching the stream!
Yeah, it can be one way of doing that. I'm currently trying to go for something like this, which is a shoulder for Nature's Prophet:
I believe that this is pretty much a perfect match to the style I want, and i'll try to do something similar to it.
Today's stream is starting now!
http://www.twitch.tv/belkuns
guess what?! I know! ^^
really liked the ears, theres some small things I notice though,
the horns silhoutte is kinda different from the concept, the tail too but mostly when looking from behind, maybe making the tail a little more puffy on the sides would help, also the thumbs are little longer than the concept making it look more like a hand than a claw.
hope any of this crit helps
That is suuuper helpful! Thanks a bunch mate!
I did some slight changes to the horns angle, added some sort of nails and shortened the thumb and did some adjustments to the tail. They're still not quite where I want them to be, specially the horns, but they're a bit better.
I'm also thinking about starting those leaves from scratch. I don't like how they flow and they're a bit too simple right now.
Stream is up!
http://www.twitch.tv/belkuns
I'm suuuper tired! I probably could have used a insert mesh brush for the leaves, but for some reason I decided to keep duplicating and placing them manually with transpose.
As always, I really appreciate critique!
Yeah, the original concept looks a lot more like a tree, but the eyes weren't reading that well, so we decided to change some stuff, like adding the ears and nose, so it reads more like an animal and also goes with our deer theme.
I think the eyes should probably be a bit lower too? They seem correct for a natural/anatomical perspective, but in the concept they are way lower, like along the jawline.
I think any major tells you can add to separate this from a clear animal, to a summoned hunk of tree will help you push it out of the realm of "Shock Pokemon"
Haha, don't worry! Different opinions are always welcome! I agree that the concept is indeed more mythical, but everyone had different opinions about the old eye, so that's why we changed it.
@heboltz3
They are indeed lower on the concept, but again, we changed it so it read better, since it wasn't looking like an eye. And about the face, I'm still messing with it. An elongated face looks more like a deer, which is the theme, but a more pudgier face is a bit cuter and different, so we're trying to go for something in the middle.
Here's a more recent paintover Arty did yesterday with the face:
I'm working really close with Arty, so we're always talking about it and possibly doing changes. Don't worry about me straying too far from the concept or anything like that, I always check with the concept artist first before doing any big changes.
Keep the suggestions coming! They really help a lot
Starting the stream very soon: http://twitch.tv/belkuns
Not sure about that, it may be something in your end. I just tried to watch it using the TwitchTV app for iPhone and it worked fine
Tomorrow I plan on doing lots and lots of clean up, especially on the wooden body, maybe adding an extra sub-d and start some details. I may also add some extra flowers to the arm to make it less boring, and if possible, lay down some base colors.
Hayes helped me A LOT cleaning up a bit of the shape, adjusting some proportions and on the face, which now resembles the original concept a bit more, with less of that "Pok
Here's one last update for the night. A lot cleaner, and thanks to some suggestions I angled him a bit backwards and moved his front legs a bit forward so it looks more balanced.
Still, if any of you can think of any suggestions or critique, feel free to say it! Otherwise, I think that I'll start laying down some colors tomorrow
http://twitch.tv/belkuns
As always, thank you all so much for the support!
Can really help to just break those up some more. Can't wait to see this finished up Belkun!
Yeah, I planned to do this as I said on the Workshop thread, but I forgot to do an AutoGroup, and now I have a 4m tris mesh with only one polygroup, if I try to do it ZBrush just hangs. I'll see if I can solve this, but if not, the colors can easily be changed once we get to texturing. Also, I'm not sure if I can change the size of them individually, even with a mask.
Thanks a lot for the input!
Starting on the staff for the NP set! Did some lowpolies for the set but didn't stream it, since I like to take a bit of time with the retopo instead of doing it all day as I do with ZBrush.
Here's the stream! http://twitch.tv/belkuns
The bottom is supposed to be a hoof, but it doesn't look quite like the way it should, probably need to be less flat and more round. On the other hand, I think that I'm getting a quite nice wood sculpt, much better than the first try on the treant.
I'm going to make the part near the little hoof on the bottom more green tinted, along with maybe a more pronounced blue lighting on the staff's "head" some general color variation and some more saturation/vibrance on the wood, but I'll do that later on through Photoshop, since ZBrush doesn't have the best tools for coloring.
Thanks a lot for the feedback
I think that I'm done with lod0 and all the bakes! Now onto lod1, organize the textures and rig it! Though I'm probably going to work on the treant before doing the rigging.
I'm also working on a sword for Skywrath Mage with BladeOfEvilsBane!
Long winded question is long winded.
It was pretty much 100% Maya, haha! Blade didn't want any scratches or anything like that, so the only thing I'm doing on ZBrush is smooth out some edges and the polypaint.
@SLIMEface
Thanks! The animations were a problem that Blade though we would have and why he didn't give the concept to anyone, but I really liked it and it prompted me to check every single animation on the model viewer, and I don't think that I'll have much problems, the only one that may be awkward is the teleportation one where he holds the weapon with both hands, but all of the other ones should work fairly well. However, if we have any problems, we may do some custom animations
@Jarm
Thank you!
Thank you man
THE BLUE SUN WILL RISE
We're still tweaking some colors and masks, and I still gotta deal with lots of stuff on the mantle skinning, but it's getting really really close to finished
Here's a shot from Marmoset:
Again, it's still pretty much WIP, especially the treant, but I think that it's coming along nicely
I think the leaves on the treant can be more simplified and stylised and also more color variation as groups. Like this example you are giving here http://www.polycount.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2001346&postcount=155
Right now it just looks too uninteresting and a tad bit busy because of the leaf veins and the value variations on individual leaves.