View Allods models?

TheAncientOne

Hi everyone.

First: fantastic work, its awesome all the work you do here. :thumbup:

Ontopic: Someone know a way to see the models of Allods? export the models to a program like maya, 3d max studio, milkshape, etc (with texture)? Im interesting in the npc models (monsters, bosses, mounts, etc), not in the characters or items.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOapP7eEqvM"]Allods Online - First Anniversary Animation Reel - PC - YouTube[/ame]

Thanks for all

TheAncientOne

no one?

uncle

How to put it... Reverse engineering is bad, illegal and you shouldn't even think about it.

TheAncientOne

uncle wrote: »

How to put it... Reverse engineering is bad, illegal and you shouldn't even think about it.

So, its illegal see the models? i only want to see the models, but dont exist a model viewer like wow model viewer or see the models of Lineage 2 in milkshape or umodel. Im not going to do a custom patch, modify the models or something, i only want to see them.

praetus

uncle wrote: »

How to put it... Reverse engineering is bad, illegal and you shouldn't even think about it.

Wat? Yeah if you're repacking and distributing the models yourself, or selling them, or some other nefarious purpose, then it would be illegal. For viewing purposes though? How else would people make machinima or mods?

I think the key thing to remember on that is "Don't be an idiot." If you were to pass off someone elses models as your own, you're begging to be blacklisted. That said, sorry man, I have no knowledge of any model viewer for Allods.

TheAncientOne

praetus wrote: »

That said, sorry man, I have no knowledge of any model viewer for Allods.

np, i search and dont exist a model viewer of Allods, thats is why i ask about a way to export the models to a modeling program to see it

GeeDave

You could try something like 3d Ripper DX:

http://www.deep-shadows.com/hax/3DRipperDX.htm

Which is a tool used to get DirectX or OpenGL data out of ... stuff. I don't know if there's a taboo when it comes to talking about this sort of thing, I should hope not.

TheAncientOne

GeeDave wrote: »

You could try something like 3d Ripper DX:

http://www.deep-shadows.com/hax/3DRipperDX.htm

Which is a tool used to get DirectX or OpenGL data out of ... stuff. I don't know if there's a taboo when it comes to talking about this sort of thing, I should hope not.

Thanks, i will try

TheAncientOne

A friend found this

http://forum.xentax.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9435

Its working, but the program has some bugs (some models dont appear, some models dont has textures and others has the texture wrong). I tried export it (one of this models) to milkshape but this appear when i open it "this ms3d file has invalid triangles/groups". So i send a mesagge to the page of the problem, i hope this work right soon.

Ace-Angel

You guys might want to reel in your expectations, since Allods models haven't been touched or researched since the very early releases of the game due to some legal complaint.

So any model you export or see as of now, is about as much as you're going to get most likely.

uncle

Yeah, I guess I made a mistake, clearly it is legal very often. But ethics are questionable, even for learning purposes. At least that is my opinion, I have strong regard for intellectual property. Modding encouraged by developer is one thing and decompiling stuff is another.
Game as a product is intended to be played, not taken apart. There is clearly a reason it is not shipped with psd files. Right, taking a look at the meshes is hardly a deep insight into creation process, but where is the line drawn?

Anyway, is it ok to take a look at the data just because there are ways to do it and it is more or less legal? I don't think so but, but that may be just a muttering of a bitter man.

cupsster

My personal statement would be reverse engineering is perfectly ok if you do it for educational purposes. If you own copy of game, there is nothing that can stop you. Problems may start when you start to showcase obtained models or textures. Till that time everything is ok.

Ark

Slipgatecentral did post a artdump a while ago which may help: http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74450&highlight=Allods

Also try the Xentax forums see if anyone has made any exporters/scripts: http://www.xentax.com/

TheAncientOne

Ark wrote: »

Slipgatecentral did post a artdump a while ago which may help: http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74450&highlight=Allods

Also try the Xentax forums see if anyone has made any exporters/scripts: http://www.xentax.com/

Thanks i will try

Neox

uncle wrote: »

Yeah, I guess I made a mistake, clearly it is legal very often. But ethics are questionable, even for learning purposes. At least that is my opinion, I have strong regard for intellectual property. Modding encouraged by developer is one thing and decompiling stuff is another.
Game as a product is intended to be played, not taken apart. There is clearly a reason it is not shipped with psd files. Right, taking a look at the meshes is hardly a deep insight into creation process, but where is the line drawn?

Anyway, is it ok to take a look at the data just because there are ways to do it and it is more or less legal? I don't think so but, but that may be just a muttering of a bitter man.

You are reacting as if there are any superdeep secrets to be revealed. we all work with years old workflows. there are no real industry secrets on the 2d - 3d content creation side. In the end it cones down to the experience of the individual artist who worked on the assets, i don't see how looking at their work can be a problem. Unless its used ti rip and resell someones work, otherwise the experience is something no one can just rip. they still will have to learn on their own and get their art better in their own.

uncle

I certainly agree Neox to pretty much everything. I guess it just comes down to personal rules. Maybe I am too zealous cause I hit my first gig just 3 months ago. Perspective will come with time probably, as for now I just can't get rid of bad taste thinking about that stuff.

Anyway, thanks for discussion.

Ace-Angel

Neox wrote: »

You are reacting as if there are any superdeep secrets to be revealed. we all work with years old workflows. there are no real industry secrets on the 2d - 3d content creation side. In the end it cones down to the experience of the individual artist who worked on the assets, i don't see how looking at their work can be a problem. Unless its used ti rip and resell someones work, otherwise the experience is something no one can just rip. they still will have to learn on their own and get their art better in their own.

You would be surprised at the number of studios who think they're the only ones ever to create a certain thing and be in charge of 'said technology' and can issue a D&C on that basis alone.

bugo

Just ask Slipgate, he did tons of models for this game :P

MainManiac

I tear apart almost every game I own and look at the models. Real cool to see how they approach topology on some shapes. I also like to put them in other engines to see if I can light them any better

ScribbleHead

Would personally love to see the topology of some of the models, but like Neox says, there's no real secrets - it all comes down to the ideas behind each character and the execution that lies in the texture work, no one can "rip" the talent behind all that crazy awesomeness.

That said, i wouldn't be happy to put out my psd's but you can't deduct and copy how a work of art was done just by accessing the different layers...

Either way what intrigued me the most when i saw Allods the very first time, was the textures - they're fucking brilliant! http://forum.ragezone.com/f745/tools-texture-viewer-816960/

pixelb

I've been looking for a way to extract models from Allods too- so far the best I've been able to do is use Machinima Studio to export them as obj and reimport them to my 3d app of choice (happens to be Blender). It works, but all of the model's LODs are merged together and there's no way of separating them other than going in and manually deleting faces. It's a pain but I've done it with a few of the characters and weapons...also for many of the models the texture links are broken and I have to find them using the texture viewer.

Like everyone says, stealing assets is wrong. I'm only doing this to see how the models are made, and not sharing anything I find.

TheAncientOne

No one will steal the models.

Machinima Studio is good, but much models havent texture and others are invisibles

Too bad Slipgatecentral dont response the messages i sent 5 days ago.