Wacom 22 HD!
Lovely new tablet, 1080p 22" with the old 21UX stand 
$2000 from what I understand, or 1599 pounds in the UK.
Standard replaceable cables this time and not the one bulky proprietary one as well which is great.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/10/wacom-cintiq-22hd/
$2000 from what I understand, or 1599 pounds in the UK.
Standard replaceable cables this time and not the one bulky proprietary one as well which is great.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/10/wacom-cintiq-22hd/
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I red that this new 22" screen is actually the same old one that was in the old 24HD one, with 92% aRGB. The new 24" version got a new screen with 98% of aRGB though.
The prices on these are still fucking insane!
But its not as insane as the new 24HD that got added touch support and with that went up 1000 dollars!!
I thought the samsung Slate 7 was using wacom tech for the pen input?
If it was made by Wacom them selves it would probably end up costing $5k, and have some sort of "authenti-feel" screen to make it feel like paper and eat up your pen nibs faster so you would end up having to buy even more of them from Wacom.
Personally I´m waiting for a cheap 15" 1080p panel so I can just DIY a cintiq from my Intuos 4L hehe
I had the Cintiq 12WX and could not stand it as a display tablet, and ran it as a regular old tablet most times due to low resolution on their screen and the cursor being very very jittery when the screen was turned on.
But, I've been thinking about a DIY to, that would be awesome. From the stuff I red on that Cintic DIY forum the main problem with it seams to be jittering in most cases..
This new 22HD is tempting though. I love the screen res and size. The 24HD is super heavy (60 lbs) and the new 22HD (20 lbs) is much lighter. Looks a bit more mobile. I wish they would have updated the 12 with better res and newer form factor.
I've been turned off by the 24HD...screen is nicer I'm sure, but the stand, weight, and higher price were turn offs for me. Besides the better quality screen...the 22HD is pretty much what I wanted...a 24HD but smaller, lighter, cheaper, and with a rotating stand.
I've been getting interested in getting a Cintiq for myself...I'd likely be going for this one..(or maybe an old 21ux since prices might be down while people try to get rid of inventory??)
I actually prefer widescreen to 4:3 its better for toolbars.
I also noticed after the wacom announcement alot of the folks that were selling the 21ux for 1700 have gone back up to 2000. I dont really understand that tactic. people are going to just wait for the 22HD for the same cost and they will end up getting stuck with the old model.
the 21ux is still a nice piece of hardware so im trying to feel better about it. I do have buyers remorse now though.
You can get those for fairly cheap. Mine was about $1200. The downside is that if the screen goes out Wacom cannot replace them due to not having any spare parts for that model.
I am still waiting for Wacom to release a thinner, rbg-LED backlit cintiq. I still dont know why they insist on shoddy LCD panels from a few generations back.
http://frenden.com/yiynova-budget-cintiq-alternative/
Just as an FYI...
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I bought one of those and returned it just as fast.
It is not very good, at all. Dead pixels all over the place, not entirely accurate, bad driver support and very springy tip. The screen is highly pixelized so when you draw on it, it doesnt look right.
I would rather suggest people get many of the used 15-18 inch cintiqs from years ago...on ebay they for less than the yiynova anyhow.
sltrOlsson - i logged in to newegg which is where i bought it from and it says I cant return it. this is common policy for laptops there and expensive items. they dont allow returns once its opened.
its not a common thing to own so im just gonna suck it up and be happy i was able to get one at all. there are alot more deserving artists believe me.
is it really that crazy? I know tons of people that dump that amount of money on car parts, concerts, travel, musical instruments, etc... basically just their hobbies. This is for making art and art is my life.
Still it seems like a crazy amount of money considering how gadgets and technology prices tend to go down yet Cintiq's never do.At least not substantially.
And for that amount of money I prefer to travel to an awesome beach TBH.
great you can join me in the you got porked club. I got mine about a week before you and newegg wont do a return. I knew i should have chosen amazon when i bought it.
if you can try to return. i would if i could.
or the many others who see this as a completely reasonable and legitimate tax write-off.
I hope someone comes along soon with a nice thin slate, I can pick up and throw around, a tilt enabled stylus and has about 1024 pressure levels. Basically, an oversized Ipad with Wacom digitizer technology. Surely surely XD thats doable right now and for less than £1000 ???
Until then I'm more than happy with an Intuos
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Because they can, and your willing to fork on something that lasts. I've had my Cintiq for about 4 years now, and easily paid for itself, and I don't plan on buying a new one for the next 4 years. (Although the 24HD tempted me)
Also I don' think they solved the "heat" issues w/ the big cintiqs. Until they do that, I don't think you have a overly sleek one.
And what you described is already out there. Table's/slates and around the price your looking for $1000. Although the pressures levels aren't on the same level, it's still usable. I had a Asus asus ep121 slate for awhile. Ok, but just not big enough after going cintiq. (also tried the similar HP convertible Tablet, and Samsung's? slate with same effect)
Also - keep in mind that a 4:3 ration is something quite unique and useful. For some kind of work it is actually quite useful in portrait mode (I love it that way for character portraits - it feels BIG !)
If anything both the new 22 and the old and revised 24 seem to eat just too much space. And none of the videos of the 24 touch seem to bring anything really new to the table workflow wise since it is still limited by the touch capabilities of the software of course.
Now I didnt try the 24 hands on but saw it in real life and yeah - it just feels too big.
So - no big deal really. 1700 sure is appropriate for a 21 and the size is very right. I think!
After using it for the last 4 years, there are so many downsides that aren't really fixed in later releases. and their drivers are pretty terrible.
example: with the latest drivers I encountered an annoying issue, where every 15 strokes or so, one stroke would loose its pressure sensitivity. So you get a big hard blob of a stroke that messes it all up. So now I rolled back to driver version 6.1.4-3 I think (Thnx Pior for pointing me to the correct driver) and this problem is now fixed (a driver from 2010 ffs), but now another problem arises. The later drivers have much better calibration tools, 4 point instead of 2 point. So at the moment there are places near the edges where the cursor is about half a cm off from where I put down the pen.
Maybe once I don't have it anymore I will recognize what I have then would be missing, but at this moment, there are enough disappointing things that dissolved my trust in Wacom. Its a cumborsome overpriced piece of tech and the latest versions arent that much different from the older models. This and the cheapness of tech these days should have put the price of a cintiq 24" to 999 euro.
Can't agree more. I don't know what they're doing but the driver programmers are horrible. There is a youtube video of a guy hacking his own drivers, and fixing things that should've been done in the first place.
For reference I'm using 6.1.1 drivers. The latest drivers just makes the Cintiq unusable...
I have the 12WX and its just too small for me.
I really want a bigger one but I'm a college student so thats not gonna happan anytime soon.
It seems Wacom really haven't been up to their standard of late.
Although minimally different I do prefer the Intuos 5 to the 4 though.
I actually emailed Yiynova and asked if it could ship to EU. Toke like one sec and I got an email saying there EU representative would come back to me. I think there tablets look very sexy! For 300 and 500 dollar it's not that much to fight about!
I see these bottoming out at around $750 in about 10 years or so.
yeah I agree...
When it comes to tools, I would rather be amputated at the knees then live with the gnawing pain of compromise. ( because I went cheap. which I have with the graphire I have suffered with for the past 8? years )
On the other hand, prices have dropped for everything over the past twenty years ( even Thailand flood prices r letting up now on hard drives )
And although there haven't always been Cintiqs for as long?? In general it seems Wacoms get away with monopolistic murder. ( serves the rest of the industry right if their only answer are cheapo knock-offs)
But as every enthusiasts filled their rigs with ssds in answer to Hard Drive Flood prices...
Slate's self contained portability provide as an exciting alternative.
I am going to suffer without an onscreen digitiser solution until windows 8 myself.
( just seems obvious that the Slate competition will produce performance and price selections very soon )
Depending how powerful a Slate can become? ( multi-tasking between Z-brush - photoshop and Maya ) I might easily end up spending a lot more then $2000 if something empowering comes along like a gtx 680m/i7-3xxx ivy slate with a 24 inch screen?
Thats just waiting to slide off onto a floor
The worse scenario I ever experienced predates my computer usage...
Where hip art students used 4ft homosote panels as their portable push pin friendly drawing surface made portable with make shift shoulder straps to carry your drawing surface everywhere.
( sort of like Andrew Jones does with his Wacom slung with a guitar strap )
Problem was I drove to college everday on a motorcycle and as aerodynamic as I tried to pack my supplies...
High Speed winds would invariably catch my drawing surface on the highway and whip me without warning onto the next lane of traffic. ( enough terror to wet my painting pants )
Compared to impoverished analog days everything today is gravy.
I am hoping there are some VESA quick release articulating mount stands for Tablet and keys depending on what customization can do for comfort. Maybe when win 8 comes out custom stands will become more popular/available?
Have alternatively been doing alot of research/following the custom touch table culture that seems to be gaining alot of steam/maturity/interest. Just wish I knew somone personally who has tried as much. ( even if sensitivity and lag was still an issue the projects seem like a lot of fun )
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No worrys about touch desk falling on the ground when the surface is yer table to begin with!
Not very portable tho ( I suppose a portable solution could be customised? )
As far as I know, u can't just plug n play the custom multi touch software into Z-brush and Photoshop? I do not know if as much is true with Microsoft's expensive "Surface" multi-touch table? ( I would imagine a Photoshop solution would be ready for which ever touch tech that Microsoft Surface uses? Google seems to infer there is a Photoshop solution I just can't find as much in action?? )
http://nuicode.com/attachments/download/115/Multi-Touch_Technologies_v1.01.pdf ( free e-book )
http://wiki.nuigroup.com/Main_Page
http://wiki.nuigroup.com/Comparison_of_rear_projection_films
http://wiki.nuigroup.com/Frequently_asked_questions
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Oh yeah, this guy's not heading for shoulder strainville at all.
maybe uncomfortable isn't the right word. i'm comfortable with it now after years of doing it, but it still doesn't feel NATURAL. i've always preferred drawing/painting on paper. so i see a cintiq as the ability to do that, but digitally.
so finally the opportunity has come up that's given me the funds to do it, we're buying a new house and put some money aside for "nice shit" that we want. and the Cintiq is one of those things. i'm choosing to look at it as an investment in myself, a way of helping me produce better work through a more natural feeling tool.
the question i have though: how important (if it is at all) is it to make sure the cintiq is running that the same resolution as your regular monitor? i remember back in ye olde days running two CRT monitors and one was a slightly different resolution, it could be a total ball ache.
my current monitor is a Dell U2312HM, 1920*1080. so should i go for the 22HD cintiq which has the same resolution? or the 24HD which has 1920*1200?
and finally, do we really think the additional touch features are going to make that big a difference? personally i don't see it... but i guess some guys here might have more experience in the matter.
ouchee I can feel my neck hurting just looking at the strain now.
Looking at the videos the guys look equally uncomfortable
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kind of odd looking at my own desk I have my monitors further back than pictured ( 3 27 inch monitors in surround needed to be pushed back that far ) but with my elbow on the corner I can easily touch my monitor while my elbow and wrist are both bent ( not extended ).
( either they r tiny or I got gorilla arms? )
Solidworks 3d CAD showing a bit of 3D manipulation (1:30) looks promising but still too much lag.
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I wonder if the lag is coming from underpowered hardware or software without the benefit of mature adoption? From the camera? or translating the infrared fingerprints? I am willing to bet that performance will not be sorted out anytime soon in an affordable way unless these custom multitouch projects become more popular.
I get the same disconnect
enough to resort to scanning if drawing is more important than painting.
I can imagine touch being very useful if creative uses are implemented. I have not tried any touch yet but I am hoping for right and left contextual pallettes. or spinning/panning the canvas with left touch while drawing with the right pen. Alternatively I would rather zoom be a combination of right and left touch instead of the finger zoom. I think drawing and erasing or drawing and smudging with touch would be more productive than gimmick and mirror the interactivity and speed I have with my pencil and pink pearl/fingers/plastic eraser pencils. More would be better and I imagine the third party customizations will also add the best evolution.
Autodesk Labs/ MultiTouch
http://labs.autodesk.com/technologies/multitouch/
I have a older dell 27" 1920x1200 and the 21WSX cintiq 1680x1050. Although the screen scale is slightly larger on the Dell 27, I've never felt the disconnect transitioning from the two. Mainly because I look at the 27" at a distance, and the Cintiq close up when I'm using it. I think you should be fine running the monitors native resolutions.
what are the cintiq's like colour wise when compared to ips monitors like the dell?