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It starts May 12, and ends Oct 17. Let's see what you got!
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It starts May 12, and ends Oct 17. Let's see what you got!
https://polycount.com/discussion/237047/the-brawl²-tournament
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Re: [FIXED] Problems with baking high to low poly between marmoset 4 and substance painter
Well ... if your bake doesn't shade like the high, then it's wrong. If it shades exactly like the high, it's right.
Sure enough this dark area on the dagger shouldn't be there :
Sure enough this dark area on the dagger shouldn't be there :
pior
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Re: The Bi-Monthly Environment Art Challenge | November - December (93)
Hey this is really cool! I think it's good that you have a strong plan going forward. I think there are only two things still holding this scene back though - the UV distortion on the rug, and not quite enough time spent on the lighting. If you look at the original concept, there's a lot of bloom on the lighting, and they actually reflect in the floor and window. In other compositions it wouldn't be quite so important, but this scene is really being carried by the very bright lights and very dark shadows.GroovyDaft0 said:
I’d love to hear your comments and critiques. Thanks for all the feedback and support during this challenge, it’s been an awesome learning experience!
Otherwise, very well done. There's a lot going on in this scene, and the modeling (even at the slightly reduced level of detail that you've chosen) seems accurate and well-thought out.
Paxwort
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Re: [FIXED] Problems with baking high to low poly between marmoset 4 and substance painter
First of all congratulations for sticking to it and approaching things carefully, you'll definitely get there. However there are many things you still need to adress.
- Knowing how to model-for-UVs, how to model-for-baking, and how to UV-for-baking are skills not aquired overnight. IMHO you're biting off more than you can chew with this asset in its current state. Perhaps just focus on one part until you get it just right.
- Sharing your files is necessary for people to help you out. But you'll also need to share your high, otherwise no test bakes can be done.
- You have a lot of work still ahead of you modeling-wise as the asset is just not looking clean at the moment with poor shading, uneven polygon distribution and improper UVs. Try to find an equivalent asset from a game with similar specs for reference - Fortnite weapons are probably a good fit.
Whereas on yours the shading issues are immediately apparent :
Of course knowing how to do things cleanly may seem subjective when you're not used to it yet. So to get there you'll just have to share clean screeshots of your progress for poeple to point things out, little by litte. Baking comes later.
- Ditch the UDIMS. Admittedly they are irrlevant to the problems you still need to wrestle with, but anything unnecessary will just get in the way. Just put everything in one well-organized square sheet once and for all.
- Put as much care in your UVs as you put in your modeling. Treating them as an afterthought like you're doing so far is only getting in the way of a clean bake.- Knowing how to model-for-UVs, how to model-for-baking, and how to UV-for-baking are skills not aquired overnight. IMHO you're biting off more than you can chew with this asset in its current state. Perhaps just focus on one part until you get it just right.
- Sharing your files is necessary for people to help you out. But you'll also need to share your high, otherwise no test bakes can be done.
- You have a lot of work still ahead of you modeling-wise as the asset is just not looking clean at the moment with poor shading, uneven polygon distribution and improper UVs. Try to find an equivalent asset from a game with similar specs for reference - Fortnite weapons are probably a good fit.
Whereas on yours the shading issues are immediately apparent :
Of course knowing how to do things cleanly may seem subjective when you're not used to it yet. So to get there you'll just have to share clean screeshots of your progress for poeple to point things out, little by litte. Baking comes later.
pior
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Re: [FIXED] Problems with baking high to low poly between marmoset 4 and substance painter
Always love Pior crits.
Eric Chadwick
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Re: [FIXED] Problems with baking high to low poly between marmoset 4 and substance painter
Hehe yay !
pior
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Re: Marmoset to Substance Painter - Normal seams
The best tangent space in Toolbag to use would be Mikktspace. When importing a Toolbag baked normal you would want to select OpenGL in Painter, or invert the green channel before importing and select DirectX. Triangulating is always a good idea as well.
If none of that solves it I'm not sure what the problem could be. Is it a solid mesh along this seam line or is it split into two meshes? Is this a single UV layout or are you using multiple texture sets, with sets split along this UV edge?
If none of that solves it I'm not sure what the problem could be. Is it a solid mesh along this seam line or is it split into two meshes? Is this a single UV layout or are you using multiple texture sets, with sets split along this UV edge?
EarthQuake
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Re: Help - Mesh is causing flipped normals across axes in substance (non overlapping UVs), nothing works
Well, you mention following a tutorial (which seems to be a solid ressource https://hatchery1.gumroad.com/l/QZemE ) but then you mention "painting across the seam" and that "the blue is kind of upside down on the right". These do not sound like things from the actual tutorial but rather the outcome of an attempt at fixing an issue caused by *not* following the instructions.
There is a long list of things that can go wrong with this process : baking setup, color space, and many, many other things. And we cannot guess what the instructor says in a paid tutorial since we can't access it.
But regardless, before attempting to "paint over" anything your model needs to look the way it should with its normalmap applied ... which clearly isn't the case here. You are probably introducing variables not present in the course, like different software or different settings.
And yes, the colors of tangent-space normalmaps will nearly *always* shift colors across a UV seam as the color data is relative to the surface and the UV coordinates. Do a test bake on very a simple model, and then another test bake after rotating a UV island. You'll notice it that all the colors of the part will change.
But regardless, before attempting to "paint over" anything your model needs to look the way it should with its normalmap applied ... which clearly isn't the case here. You are probably introducing variables not present in the course, like different software or different settings.
And yes, the colors of tangent-space normalmaps will nearly *always* shift colors across a UV seam as the color data is relative to the surface and the UV coordinates. Do a test bake on very a simple model, and then another test bake after rotating a UV island. You'll notice it that all the colors of the part will change.
So, ideally you'd simply contact the author of the course and ask him about your issue. But you could also simply upload your low and high for an isolated part and have people here have a look at what is wrong with the setup and how to fix it ... and thankfully It won't involve painting over anything 
pior
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Re: Sketchbook: Zetheros
Happy new year! Hope everyone has an amazing 2025. May it be better and worse than 2024 in inscrutable and incalculable ways.
I added more veins as well as trypophobia to the infested race.
Have a great week!
I added more veins as well as trypophobia to the infested race.
Have a great week!
zetheros
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Re: [WIP] - Arthur (Character Model)
That is a super improvement on the figure! It was kind of lumpy like the bag above. Switching up the detail makes all the difference. Well done.
kanga
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Re: [FIXED] Problems with baking high to low poly between marmoset 4 and substance painter
While the high looks decent, in my opinion it is not quite hitting the mark with how thin and tiny many things are. By that I am not saying that they should be stylized or exaggerated but rather that they should be making sense in terms of scale, thickness and roundness for things to look like actual sheet metal and/or machined steel, in order for the surfaces to catch light like they should. This only comes with knowledge of IRL hardware in general and firearms in particular.
Here is what you have at the moment (high, low wireframe, low shaded) :
This valve for instance just look way too tiny and easy to break. Same for the connection of the blade to what looks like ... a pressurized gas tank ? Of course these are comments on the design itself rather than the technicalities of baking but things like that pile up. Had this been based on a real item these inconsistencies wouldn't have been as much of an issue. In a way the visual design itself has consequences all the way down to the baking process.
In production a highpoly like this would receive an extensive paintover pass indicating where to thicken things and what to adjust.
On the low you are shooting yourself in the foot with all these interpenetrating pieces serving no purpose. This will lead not only to an unnecessary increased workload but more importantly to discontinuities in the textures, causing issues for baking but also for texturing/weathering. And overall there are many inconsistencies with how various edges are treated.
Personally I think focusing on just 3 parts and getting them right could be a good point of entry : building 3 clean and continuous lows, 3 well-crafted corresponding highs, all of that gathered on a solid UVs sheet treated as if it was a real asset.
Here is what you have at the moment (high, low wireframe, low shaded) :
This valve for instance just look way too tiny and easy to break. Same for the connection of the blade to what looks like ... a pressurized gas tank ? Of course these are comments on the design itself rather than the technicalities of baking but things like that pile up. Had this been based on a real item these inconsistencies wouldn't have been as much of an issue. In a way the visual design itself has consequences all the way down to the baking process.
In production a highpoly like this would receive an extensive paintover pass indicating where to thicken things and what to adjust.
On the low you are shooting yourself in the foot with all these interpenetrating pieces serving no purpose. This will lead not only to an unnecessary increased workload but more importantly to discontinuities in the textures, causing issues for baking but also for texturing/weathering. And overall there are many inconsistencies with how various edges are treated.
Personally I think focusing on just 3 parts and getting them right could be a good point of entry : building 3 clean and continuous lows, 3 well-crafted corresponding highs, all of that gathered on a solid UVs sheet treated as if it was a real asset.
pior
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