The BRAWL² Tournament Challenge has been announced!
It starts May 12, and ends Sept 12. Let's see what you got!
https://polycount.com/discussion/237047/the-brawl²-tournament
It starts May 12, and ends Sept 12. Let's see what you got!
https://polycount.com/discussion/237047/the-brawl²-tournament
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Re: The Bi-Monthly Environment Art Challenge | May - June (96)
Congrats on finishing!
I think you could tweak some things to look more like the concept and it would help the overall look. We're losing the details of your walls and other rock engravings, making them slightly darker would bring them back. The concept also has some cracks that are adding interest.
The lighting and shadow colors are also a bit different from the concept. The concept has darker shadows that makes the water stand out, when looking at your water we see it has similar color value to everything that's around it.
Finally your image lacks elements near the camera. Maybe try to get the broken stairs at the bottom closer to the camera and I'd also do the arch thing at the top of the concept.
Grindy
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Re: [Finished] Saxon
oh thank you so much for sharing this. I will try to test it 
Cheers man
Cheers man
disanski
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Re: [Finished] Persian Guard
Hey thanks @drvoseca995
Here is the lighting, its mainly one big spotlight, mimicking the midday sun, with a few others to support and balancing the overall lighting, lighting is all about cheating 
I moved the lighting around per render to get things optimally lit
The environment piece uses an alpha yes, I gradually increased the alpha in substance painter, a lot of back and forth there!
The intention was to support her pose without it taking too much attention of the overall shot
Pav3d
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Re: AI Art, Good or Bad? A (hopefully) nuanced take on the subject.
d1ver said:
The data sources for initial training are as ethical as it's realistic for any company to establish at this point.
So, it's been fed unlicensed art, and is therefor unethical. 'Bad business' or 'we couldn't exist otherwise' doesn't excuse anything, and phrasing it vaguely to limit legal liability doesn't help either.
Michael Knubben
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Re: Looking for any advice on finding buyers for a powerful workstation in UK
Overclockers forums maybe, or Facebook groups for specialist tools e.g. Houdini Artists would be my suggestion. I doubt you'll have much luck on Facebook marketplace for such a powerful machine.
Axi5
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Re: AI Art, Good or Bad? A (hopefully) nuanced take on the subject.
Axi5 said:I think if an artist uses these AI tools then wherever possible people should reverse image search the assets produced and name drop any contributing artists that produce similar work or style, not just for credit but because it expands everyone's knowledge, artist included.
I was just thinking this. An AI powered image search engine for human made art would be incredible.
zetheros
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Re: AI Art, Good or Bad? A (hopefully) nuanced take on the subject.
Well, I need to get to work, but the last thing I'll say for a qualifier is likely consent; so if one does wish to use generative AI to give feedback, one should ask beforehand. Using genAI to give feedback, then promoting one's own services for said genAI is really not cool.
Side note, but I don't like how you're using your background of growing up impoverished to leverage emotional appeal as well as your social rank of having worked at Naughty Dog, and using that to police online behaviour @d1ver .
You have no idea what other people had to go through - I don't go around telling people how I worked on Path of Exile 1 & 2 (Ooooh, wow, amazing), how my mother had to live in constant fear and seclusion in case police forcefully aborted me due to China's one child policy, and how suicide felt like a great idea for 1/3 of my entire life. Oh yeah, I also grew up impoverished. Nice childhood we've had; nostalgic, truly.
Not to downplay our traumatic pasts or accolades, but none of it is relevant to giving meaningful feedback.
You have no idea what other people had to go through - I don't go around telling people how I worked on Path of Exile 1 & 2 (Ooooh, wow, amazing), how my mother had to live in constant fear and seclusion in case police forcefully aborted me due to China's one child policy, and how suicide felt like a great idea for 1/3 of my entire life. Oh yeah, I also grew up impoverished. Nice childhood we've had; nostalgic, truly.
Not to downplay our traumatic pasts or accolades, but none of it is relevant to giving meaningful feedback.
zetheros
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Re: AI Art, Good or Bad? A (hopefully) nuanced take on the subject.
Well, I’m not the decider here, the community is. We can provide rules of thumb, but you all decide whether you trust those guidelines, or chafe at the restraints.
Personally, I’m ok with people providing feedback however they like, as long as it is respectful.
However, as far as I can see AI image generators have not yet proved they respect artists.
Personally, I’m ok with people providing feedback however they like, as long as it is respectful.
However, as far as I can see AI image generators have not yet proved they respect artists.
The majority of these systems are trained on huge datasets of copyrighted content, without having acquired any consent.
AFAIK only Adobe has claimed to do this, and yet their dataset was scraped without what I would consider to be truly informed consent. So, they don’t meet the standard.
The irony is that these AI systems would not exist today without the vast amount of training data they started from. Which was in turn never meant to be used for anything other than for purely research purposes.
It seems to me that d1ver’s own AI model, however well-intentioned, is trained using copyrighted materials (movie stills, etc.).
The irony is that these AI systems would not exist today without the vast amount of training data they started from. Which was in turn never meant to be used for anything other than for purely research purposes.
It seems to me that d1ver’s own AI model, however well-intentioned, is trained using copyrighted materials (movie stills, etc.).
At some point it may come to pass that this kind of scraping falls within fair use, but it’s not quite clear at this point in time that these systems have met that bar.
The creative potential these tools promise to provide is perhaps too beguiling to easily ignore the implications of their (likely, but not proven) unethical provenance.
However I don’t think it’s ultimately my decision whether to allow or disallow the use of AI generators here, at least not quite yet. It’s still very fluid.
But at the very least, I think some caution is warranted. I’d like to hear more opinions, how would you all like this to be handled?
Would it be enough to add a credit line indicating when ai has been used?
Maybe also which tool was used, so people could be informed whether it used
ethical scraping? Or should the use of AI be prohibited outright?
I don’t think we’re there yet.
(lol at all
my qualifiers!)
However I don’t think it’s ultimately my decision whether to allow or disallow the use of AI generators here, at least not quite yet. It’s still very fluid.
But at the very least, I think some caution is warranted. I’d like to hear more opinions, how would you all like this to be handled?
Would it be enough to add a credit line indicating when ai has been used?
Maybe also which tool was used, so people could be informed whether it used
ethical scraping? Or should the use of AI be prohibited outright?
I don’t think we’re there yet.
(lol at all
my qualifiers!)
Eric Chadwick
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Re: AI Art, Good or Bad? A (hopefully) nuanced take on the subject.
Eric Chadwick said:That's my feeling on the use of AI in posts here. Personally I dislike most AI-generated content. I find it mushy inconsistent and often tacky. But I do see the benefit of incorporating it into thoughtfully-curated content, it can help speed up the process of generating new content, but this requires a heavy hand in editing.
As a solo indie dev I did a fair amount of research into generative AI, as the technology would absolutely level the playing field against triple A companies. A lot of early concepts for Project Nova were made using early builds of stable diffusion, which I've since removed from my sketchbook.
I came to the realization of "Why am I using generated art for reference when I could just download someone else's work to use for reference?"
Like why the heck am I using this for ref
When I can use this
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/NGd6X5
I came to the realization of "Why am I using generated art for reference when I could just download someone else's work to use for reference?"
Like why the heck am I using this for ref
When I can use this
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/NGd6X5
Great art already exists. Tools for asset creation already exist. I don't need AI in my pipeline for pre-production or asset creation. It doesn't speed things up or help at all; if generative AI is unable to produce clean, highly optimized models with PBR texture sets, UV layout with 95%+ efficiency, and non-destructive highly iterative scalable workflow, it is worthless to me.
And, if such technology exists, I'll simply wait for the free, open source version that can run locally. Generative AI is not here to help produce art. It is here for the creators of genAI to make money through subscriptions to their ill-gotten services. It is here to reduce overhead costs for companies like Sony Interactive Entertainment and Microsoft.
zetheros
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Re: AI Art, Good or Bad? A (hopefully) nuanced take on the subject.
@Eric Chadwick Well, let's say I've had this very topic on my mind for a little while now 
Especially a few days after a group of elected officials from a nearby town granted an art prize to a scammer spitting out (very, very obvious) AI art by the truckload, and no one seems to be aware of it, or even have any suspicions about it. Peak cultural stagnation.
Especially a few days after a group of elected officials from a nearby town granted an art prize to a scammer spitting out (very, very obvious) AI art by the truckload, and no one seems to be aware of it, or even have any suspicions about it. Peak cultural stagnation.
pior
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