Pimping and Previews/ Finished work.
polycounter lvl 18
Would be really cool if we had a forum for finished work.
It's exhausting going through all the half-finished hand models and "what do you think of my first draft of my first concept that is clearly not a drawing I actually did."
Pimping and Previews = cool and I love it, but sometimes i just want to see inspiring stuff that inspires me.
Thoughts?
It's exhausting going through all the half-finished hand models and "what do you think of my first draft of my first concept that is clearly not a drawing I actually did."
Pimping and Previews = cool and I love it, but sometimes i just want to see inspiring stuff that inspires me.
Thoughts?
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I think the cream always rises to the top around here. Although with the new site designs, maybe we could have a user select gallery of those images we all find awesome and inspiration folder worthy..
A gallery would be cool but I remember when it seemed like every post in pimping and previews was solid ... now it feels more like a dumping ground.
I miss the q2pmp model review thing too. That was fun. So maybe i do want more 2001
Or you set up a CGTalk like set up, where you have two galleries one for finished art and one for good finished art...
I would hate more sub forum to check. How about using tags or a naming convention in the title of the thread so they're easier to spot?
makes me sad and confused. i want my mommy.
I dont think we need a "finished" forum, we just need more people to "finish" stuff, and or be more confident to make threads
Part of me also things a thread structure similar to (sorry bearkub) a blog, where comments are attached to the root section showing progress are good flows, but not very good for our classic style of communication
//edit: forgot to finish that though! durp-a-durrr
or a thread full of someone being a jackass and lots of back and forth bashing.
but i guess that would be something considered cool or atleast least entertaining inside
Step 1: Does the thread have more than two or three pages? If yes, go to Step 2.
Step 2: Is the thread locked? If no, go to Step 3.
Step 3: Win!
That may actually be a good idea. Have the thread creator create "master" posts, then comments under each post. Would keep all the work together, and all the comments still intact.
Do you want to model, or just show off?
Me, I keep working.
When I show something here, it'll blow your fucking mind.. No it won't, but at least it'll be something I have put a lot of work into.
first there'll be boards for wips and finished work, then there'll be boards for 2d and 3d, then there'll be boards for high poly and low poly, then there'll be boards for hard surface and sculpts, then we'll be gameartisans
Don't swear like that, this is a fucking family friendly forum...
You want to see a gallery of finished work, go click on people's portfolios. Otherwise, this is a forum, not a gallery.
Of course there will always be exceptions, with some people you know even if they haven't started yet its gonna be a hell of a thread.
I like it the way it is. (but I do always add WIP in my thread titles, maybe make that a rule or something).
If you want inspiration there is always the WAYWO, besides, you could always start compiling an inspirational folder so you wont have to browse forums when you are in a drought.
a) b1ll never finishes anything
b) BoBo never finishes anything
Lol -nice dude
The general consensus seems to be that this is a bad idea. Which is fine.
I wouldn't go as far as to suggest that I don't have an "inspiration" folder on my machine
Problem for me is that new threads of nothing pop up all over the place and the stuff that contains all the good artwork or stuff that actually warrants looking at and critiquing gets bumped to page 2 a lot of times... Which is also fine i guess.
Perhaps when creating a new thread you can select a radio button that will prefix your thread with the appropriate [SOMETHING] for people to easily remember to flag their thread.
I'm talking about user experience here, more than anything. And while it is fine the way it is (for some/a lot of people) I think it could be better.
A radio button flag could also open the door to "filters" one of those radio buttons could read "Bull$*&t" and i could filter out all the bull$*&t.
I'm not just looking for a place to see finished work. I'm looking for a solution to knowing what i'm in for when clicking on someones thread ... granted the new "preview" system could solve a lot of that for us... but that's yet to be seen.
But I agree with a lot of the feedback to this question. Thanks for your thoughts.
If you want lots of good finished art, check out cghub.
^^ this or nothing. Its not difficult now anyway.
Simple..clean..easy.. Just how I like my women. What? No...who said that..? :poly115:
!! close!
Perhaps one of the dedicated fellow polycounter would just make this thread in pimp and previews and request to make it sticky?
Mr. Jeremy is correct. The pimp and previews are suppose to present finished work of art. But since many people just want to show what they have done so far and call it finished work, or open a thread and state that they are about to work on certain stuff (assuming that they think opening a thread in PnP would represent only them and their work in progress) they would just post it and request for crits.
(as you can see I have pretty much restated what you guys have talked about already because I am bored and wished to participate in this thread)
Thanks for reading.
That percentage would appear as a little "completion indicator bar" at the beginning of the thread name (kindof stylish that way!! can be black and green themed easily) and would give a very clear idea of where the thread is going, without the need of [useless tag ] tags in the thread name.
Obviously/hopefully people posting a wip nurbs hand model after a few weeks of learning Max would give themselves something like a 5/10% pregression status.
Someone just getting started on a model would give himself a low but gradually increasing percentage ; blocking out would be 10%, head done and body wip would be 30%, reaching UV completion would be around 50%, and so on.
This would even work very well for self improvement. We could see artists progression very clearly in threads like "trying to get better at environment concept art". It would likely generate great feedback too.
Also, having completion percentage as a thread property would allow PC viewers to easily filter stuff out if needed,
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Thats why I love our polycount so much. no need to search thousands of buttons just to find the forums below a layer of galleries.
One of the most valuable reasons why people use polycount is that as they're working they can get advice and course corrections as they go so they have something better to pimp off.
It's most beneficial if they post at the end of each stage.
Post the sculpt/model before unwrapping.
Post the unwrap before baking and materials.
Post the final model.
If they wait until the end they'll probably be told that they f-ed up an earlier stage and they need to go back and a fix it, which they'll hang their head in shame and never bother posting art again until its perfect, read: never again.
A good P&P thread has the OP come out looking like this guy or this guys. Notice the big smiles through bruised faces, that's a good thread, someone learned something and had something worth looking at by the time it was all done.
The whole P&P name thing came up when we discussed changing the name of "2D/3D Discussion" to "Technical Talk" because people had trouble figuring out where to post technical questions. P&P was left alone because WIP/Finished art was boring and holy hell you couldn't change two things at once back then without everyone soiling themselves.
Maybe its time for a newer more vanilla name that makes sense to the masses?
Also, for me, I learn alot more looking at an accomplished modeler's w.i.p. and wireframes than I do their beauty renders. I, personally, don't spend much time looking at finished renders. I want to see how people are modeling, texturing, their workflow, etc. I feel like I've learned alot thanks to the Polycount community. I can't really say that about any other 3d forum except maybe Zbrushcentral.
I do! I do! I miss the old polycount, more and more.
I'd like to see the WAYWO thread killed and people create single threads for each project they're working on rather than having updates that are spread out and are duplicated.
Clowns will post the same picture in their sketchbook, a dedicated thread in P&P and in the WAYWO threads. It's stupid. I hate everything new.
Polycount stands out amongst most of the other forums because signal to noise ratio, that being the genuinely useful post to "That looks good. keep going" is pretty good. If we have an entire forum that by it's nature is very low on actual content, theres a real danger that it'll spill out into the rest of the forum and we'll wind up like the rest of the forums out there where one needs to dig through pages and pages of worthless crap to find any genuine information. It'll also attract the type of poster who makes such inane posts like annoying, buzzing insects.
It's been quite a while since I got any sleep. This may not be the most coherent of rants.
SO TRUE. NEW THINGS ARE BAD!
Dude, you summed up why Polycount is the superior forum, perfectly.
And all because you wanted a finished work forum.
I'd like an updated polycount with some new features and some expanded content but I don't think it needs to fracture any more than it is. I think a tag system would help people who want to sort out and give everything its own category a tool to do that while leaving the site intact.
But I'll put it out here and see what you guys think (please quote this post so we can easily see who's commenting specifically on this idea).
Close the WAYWO thread, indefinitely.
And if you actually care about this, you'll read my oncoming wall of text
I love love LOVE that there's this avenue for people to quickly post something just for the sake of posting it, without the obligation of a thread all for their own. However, it does - in a way - defeat the purpose of posting on a messageboard.
You should be coming to Polycount to post your work to get feedback, comments, help, or praise. The WAYWO thread has this, but it has this at 1/10th of what you'd get in your own thread.
I would love to see threads made for everything you guys are doing. I actually don't go through the WAYWO thread too often because I don't like the habits it forces on me as a member.
I was going to save this for when the new site is going live, but I will mention it here: One of the features of the site I am trying to get developed is an image preview of each thread. So, instead of Thumbnails like other forums do, all you would have to do is mouse over the thread title and in a second or so, the first image posted in the thread is displayed on your screen. Right now if you do this the first sentence or so is parsed and displayed (Go on, try it...) and I want it to be the first image. So this way you guys can quickly and easily see whats posted, rather than having to open each thread.
I think that that feature, with the WAYWO thread removed, could be the solution you guys are after.
I just don't want to up and remove one of our most popular threads without first dissecting what it is that it gives to you guys, and coming up with an alternative solution that meets that needs and what we're after with P&P.
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So there it is - If that feature can't be done, I don't have a solution. And I am not sure I agree with what WAYWO does for Polycount, but this is our forum so I'd like it to be the right choice.
Thoughts?
I would like to see WAYWO revert back to just fluff, there have been some pretty deep conversations and detailed crits going on as of late and it's a mess to follow and discourages people from posting something new that is "off topic" as they probably don't want to rude.
I'd like to see it run something more like the "post one nice photo thread". Keep it to one image, keep the comments minimal.
Unfortunately that means some heavy moderation and moving posts into their own threads when people get chatty... It seems like too much work if you ask me.
is the problem there's too many wip threads popping up for you? Coz i like posting wips in pnp, getting aws feedback, improving and then finishing the project (well as much as i can). And there's been alot of really cool wip threads from cool artists that are just as inspiring as seeing their finished stuff (and yes there's been a number of... not as cool/inspiring threads too, but we all meant to be learning here right?).
you could try just going through the waywo thread, going to cghub or artist's folio's as has been said if all you want is cool finished stuff, not that hard to find cool inspiring stuff.
And yeah, keep mah polycounts clean :poly142: