Turok - Next Gen my arse...
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I think out of a lot of games to hit recently over the past few months, this has to be the biggest let down. Just watching the game, you see that they could of pulled off something so good... But no. From the awful last gen graphics (I'm talking 256x256 res skins on people), to the out dated control, it just takes the mick.
Let me tell you why I hate it so much. Is it the game itself? No. The graphics? No, as poor as they are, no. Its the view, or lack of should I say. The FOV in this game is zoomed in, all the time. Think about playing Quake 3 or something with FOV 60 and your about there. Its THAT bad. The controls are so poor that you cant hit anything. Drop the sensitivity down to the lowest, and your crosshair jumps a mile even with the smallest nudge. So, the fact you cant see anything combined with the fact you cant hit anything... Makes... for an awful game.
Honestly, games design took a bad seat on this one. Why, oh why, should I walk up to a ladder, and be treated to an extreme close up of the back of my lead guy, just so I can see how bad the artwork is, for example?
Seriously, the guys that made this, they need to not make anything else for a while until they get a little bit more of a clue, I'm THAT pissed. The artwork for the most part is ok, the Dinos look good. The animation isn't half bad, and when watching it, you see it trying to shine so bad, trying to impress... But alas, every time, it falls so short.
Has anybody else played this mess of a game? What do you think? Have you managed to play it for about 20mins without having to look away because it hurts your eyes thanks to the FOV?
Let me tell you why I hate it so much. Is it the game itself? No. The graphics? No, as poor as they are, no. Its the view, or lack of should I say. The FOV in this game is zoomed in, all the time. Think about playing Quake 3 or something with FOV 60 and your about there. Its THAT bad. The controls are so poor that you cant hit anything. Drop the sensitivity down to the lowest, and your crosshair jumps a mile even with the smallest nudge. So, the fact you cant see anything combined with the fact you cant hit anything... Makes... for an awful game.
Honestly, games design took a bad seat on this one. Why, oh why, should I walk up to a ladder, and be treated to an extreme close up of the back of my lead guy, just so I can see how bad the artwork is, for example?
Seriously, the guys that made this, they need to not make anything else for a while until they get a little bit more of a clue, I'm THAT pissed. The artwork for the most part is ok, the Dinos look good. The animation isn't half bad, and when watching it, you see it trying to shine so bad, trying to impress... But alas, every time, it falls so short.
Has anybody else played this mess of a game? What do you think? Have you managed to play it for about 20mins without having to look away because it hurts your eyes thanks to the FOV?
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with so many other good FPS already out *cough* COD4! It's going to be a hard sell.
Gav
ass creed was a turd anyway!
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UR a turd, I say!
ass creed was a turd anyway!
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The more you talk, the more i fall in love with you.
i have a good friend who made some of the environment art. I'll give him a nuggie.
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Which reminds me, I got an art book free with the game, and I have to say its all fucking awesome. They show you pics of say, Turok, that look GREAT, then you compare them to the final model and its shite. The same goes for all the people and weapons too... They just lost the plot and went with the easiest version it seems.
I expected great things, I think someone owes it to the gaming community to make another good turok game.
I'd really rather play the original turok...
Bah, I think someone should just make a turok mod for Crysis.
ass creed was a turd anyway!
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I like calling it ASS and Sin: The Creed
Would make for an awesome porno methinks...
you never know... there's a slim chance fellow devs from propaganda might be actual members of this forum ... imagine that !
Trouble is, with Turok, the problems could be pushed aside with just a few fixes, such as configurable controls, better sensitivity settings for both normal aim and zoom, and of course, giving us a proper FOV and not that POS we had at retail.
Of course none of it will matter. They have the money now.
It has nothing to do with "sucking off" devs but realizing that people can work just as hard on a mediocre title as people on a prime title. So a person can work very hard but unfortunately not please you in the way that you wish.
There is some good quality artwork on Turok so it would be a disservice to people's hard work to just open your mouth with nothing but rants and run-on sentences.
Remember, be courteous ... You are in a place full of devs from all kinds of places. Some of them worked on some grand AAA titles and some may have not.
People have learned to stay respectful of eachother's work, especially on the artistic level. Because aesthetic quality of art doesnt determine whether or not the final product is popular.
That's something you should learn too. At the end of the day, these people still put their names behind their work, only for you to spread your verbal diarrhea and hide behind your online anonymity.
The bottom line is Turok is a mess. Half of its great art wise, the rest is so old it looks like a throw back to the PS2 days. Its random, and its annoying. But thats not the major problem, as I said. The major problem is the fact the devs took the time to make things worse. The FOV was made more narrow because it helps to combat frame rate loss, since less is drawn, obviously, but was it a good move? No. What about the aiming? Was this game play tested at all?
Turok has a lot going for it. If you re-read my post you will see thats what I think. Unfortunatly I'm not about to "play nice" just because a few devs are on here. I'm a dev myself, and I've had harsh words given towards me in the past just as much. Trouble is, I know those harsh words were true.
I'd much rather see Turok 2 fix all these flaws, rather than release it with the same ones just to make a quick buck.
I agree in that Turok was a disappointment.
I was fortunate enough to see the game through its development process as the company I work for worked on the multiplayer for the game. The earlier stuff we saw was a HELL of a lot better than what made it in to the game so there are definite reasons - outside of the control of 'artist' - that made the game ship in the state that it did. What that was exactly I can't say that I know. I can say though that the guys at Propaganda put a LOT of effort in to this product only to get a rather lack-luster result in the end which makes me believe it was more technical reasons over aesthetic ability.
Again though, I think the MP turned out great. I wasn't on the Turok team specifically so please don't think my opinion is a biased one. I really think it turned out to be quite fun. A bit 'oldschool' in its design but fun none-the-less.
The same goes for my feelings on Ass Creed (sorry, I know it's kind of unrealted to this thread topic) I think it's great that they put it out and they must be really proud of themselves. I'd kill to be a part of the series as a developer...huge gold star on the resume. But as a gamer, especially one who was expecting something PoP-ish...I hate the game.
I just assumed this was from a gamer's "I want to have fun playing this / I want to enjoy this" point of view rather than a technical analysis. But it does fall short, for sure, technically. Although it's definitely out of the artists control, it's still a valid flaw.
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I read that as "2 penises" and it was hilarious.
AC haters.. I don't get it
...Shame about turok...The N64 version is what got me wanting to make games
This doesn't really count, but I don't think I should be punished for stabbing a crazy guy that pushes me into a guard. He deserves it. Prick.
It'd be REALLY cool if it were all open world and you could just roam around doing your thing (c'mon Batman game!) or if it were the opposite and each kill was a Splinter Cell type thing where sneaking around actually mattered and you progressed to the target. Whatever, I know I'm the minority...I still like you though Adam
I've got a lot of beefs with AC, knowing I'm the minority
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i'm with you man, didn't find too much i liked about that game, the traversal was cool, but the gameplay didn't do anything interesting with it. the combat was pis poor and the ai was non existent..
god and the turok demo was atrocious.. this i think is a good thing, the more shitty shooters the better, people will eventually get tired of the barrage of shit and move on to the next genre .. reminds of the old platformer days, remember how many shitty platformers there were? and now(for the most part) only good ones are made, cause they know thats all thats going to sell.
the more shitty shooters the better, people will eventually get tired of the barrage of shit and move on to the next genre .. reminds of the old platformer days, remember how many shitty platformers there were? and now(for the most part) only good ones are made, cause they know thats all thats going to sell.
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Don't count on it. The issue isn't exactly that simple, and neither of the genres have ever come even remotely close to a state you could call 'becoming unpopular'. Like every other genre, they simple evolve.
Only genre ever to hold that dubious honor is the Puzzle/Adventure Genre... And Space Sim. : (
Quick! Someone call the waaaaambulance!
L-O-FUCKIN'-L.
It's a fun game, albeit a bit too repetitious at times...
But fun.
I don't understand why everyone hates Assassin's creed so much.
It's a fun game, albeit a bit too repetitious at times...
But fun.
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Exactly. And it's SEXY!!!!
Back on track. I was really let down with Turok. Art wise there are some really nice things I could see but the demo in the cave....please that was not even fun or a way to show off how cool / pretty the game could be.
FOV was really annoying for me as well.
This game was a big miss for me. I had high hopes but compared to other titles floating around it has to take a back seat.
Oh and about Turok, I played the demo a while ago and hated it, but decided to play it again later. The first time I missed the first weapon pickup in the caves so I didnt have the dual wielded weapons, the game is insanely hard with only one machine gun!!! They should have placed that pickup in a more obvious location, because I gave up after I died 5 times in the same spot in the caves. The second time I played it I found the second machine gun and played trough the caves level in one run! I liked the small/big friendly dinosaurs, things like that really add to the immersiveness! I also loved the knife-killing animations
Seems like odium got raped by the first dinosaur he saw and threw the controller down.
Quick! Someone call the waaaaambulance!
L-O-FUCKIN'-L.
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Spot on that is mate. Really. Because even though I've beaten some of the hardest games on 360, even managed to beat Gears on the hardest by myself, I cant do Turok on easy, when when the enemy "stands there" in front of you... But is that my fault, or the fact its next to impossible to aim in this game?
As for the MP, its probably the best part about this game. Its very well done. Just a shame you cant hit anything because of the aiming.
Dicking around aside, I didn't like the Turok demo. I'm not sure why I even downloaded it since I really had no interest in the game. I really enjoyed the first one on the N64, though. I turned the demo off after about 2 minutes. I didn't even get to kill anything. Hahaha
It's too dark and too monochromatic for my taste. That level was a poor choice to base a demo on. Am I correct to assume that it's near the beginning (if not the beginning) of the game?
Quick! Someone call the waaaaambulance!
L-O-FUCKIN'-L.
Sorry couldn't resist. Seriously there is a lot of hate around these forums just because someone says they like the game. For fucks sake if you don't like it and someone else does why would you care?
I don't give a flying fuck if some dude wants to fuck sheep if that's his thing. I'm not into it so I just wont do it. Same goes for games. If you don't like it. Don't fucking play it.
Now back to turok.....
For instance, I hate U
We can hate all we want.
For instance, I hate U
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I wouldn't have expected nothing more than a smart ass comment from you. You seem to post a lot of them.