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and all your base 
very early wip, but i'm hoping to put a T-101 into UT3 =] any crits, especially paintovers to show me what to change, would be awsome.
very early wip, but i'm hoping to put a T-101 into UT3 =] any crits, especially paintovers to show me what to change, would be awsome.
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keg, i'll get right on it.
look at this image
http://collateraldamage.warnerbros.com/multimedia/assets/wallpaper_1280.jpg
and now just compare it with what you've got right now.
the nostrils need more volume, the ears are too big and too close to the head, in front view they look almost elvish.
The mouth needs to be wider, the overall shape doesn't fit too. The chin has to be wider.
I mean what shall i write, he doesn't look like him at all, take any photograph of arnold and use a perspective that seams similar in zbrush, take a screenshot and use photoshop to compare.
and don't start with details like the sunglasses or wrinklestructures, just work on the proportion and overall volumes to match him more to your reference.
It's just way too early to really critizise, no offense.
Here's a good photo:
http://www.allposters.com/View_HighZoomR...p;imgheight=867
I thought it was Duke Nukem at first :-\ But mabye it's because I've seen so many requests for him lately.
Luckily there are plenty of pictures of Arnold out there, so you can do this for plenty of different angles.
i did get bored and moved up to a third division level though, not like i can't slide back down to change big proportion issues.
oh, and i watched terminator 2... again...
forhead = huge
lower jaw not wide enough
dont get me started on the nose
continue the work
Honestly, there are TONS of reference pics of arnold on the net. I'm not seeing much Arnold in you head sculpt, so you need to slide back down to a lower subdivision level and work some things out. Don't give up and don't make the mistake of continuing on to details before making the correct understructure.
now i see you were going for arnold :S
Can you show us your refs? Often if the front and side refs don't match up very well you can find yourself tweaking back and forth without getting anywhere.
Try to find a clip of him turning from face-front to profile (or vice-versa) and keep using that to check your progress against.
It looks like you're trying to nail the 'character' first, but try get the underlying anatomy right to start with.
i realise the importance of shaping the whold head, but to be honest the hair is placeholder at best as that will be low polied and alpha planed later anyway. so i'm concentrating on the face.
i think i have the lips down, i need to fix the nose, and move the bottom of the cheeks a bit higher. i think i have the brow ridge right though. i'm getting there with the chin.
trying to find refs all from the same time period is a friggin nightmare, trying to find ANY pics of him side on is even worse, the only "decent" one i found, is from T3... and yah, that helps a bunch :P
here's the refs i'm using for the most part, followed by my latest update.
Take a look at the Making of Moff, a character tutorial by our very own 'Daz' Pattenden - there's some invaluable hints in there.
Also I found a few refs which illustrate what I think is the key to nailing this likeness. Arnie's mouth sits on a ring of muscle (as I said previously) and when he's bulking out - as for T2, Predator etc - there's a definite 'change of planes' on his face which I've highlighted in green (you can see it on your first ref pic too). It gets softer and less defined as he gets older (as in your T3 pic). If you get that looking right, you'll be a long way ahead.
hopefully this looks a bit better?
i actually modeled the basemesh over the top of a skull too, so yes, i do know where the bony ridges etc. should be, the main difficulty i'm having is consistancy in references, when it comes to finding good pictures from T2, either the lighting is shitty, or the are all the same pose/facing the same way.
if i look for pictures from other movies, i'm sure you're aware that there is a difference of quite a few years between the films, so that's not much help either.
every crit i've been given, i've followed up on. so while yes i might agree with you, that i've a lack in fundamental understanding, my argument is this: it doesn't look horriffic, it only needs some work in the right direction to get it looking right (and if i could figure out how to set up lights in zbrush to emulate some of my references.... GRRRR). so, what would you change?
you at least need to understand the planes of the head, your forehead is very squared from the front and lacks real brow definition.
Stop looking at these crappy promotional shots and grab a copy of commando, terminator, last action hero whatever and watch it to get a real sense for the shapes of his head - then get screengrabs of him!