Overdose Character Models

Xaltar · Apr 2007

Well, I'm helping out Team Blur with the overdose project and I'm starting work on the Grunt character for the game.

Heres the concept

Heres my start on the armor, I'm sure most of you can recognise Arsh's base man

I'm modeling all the tech bits for normal mapping in Max and then I'll do the organics and cloth in mudbox.

The poly budget I'm going for is 4000 tris btw. This is going to be a great learning experience for me, sticking to a rigid concept and style whilst still adding a touch of my own style

Crits welcome as usual.

Davision3D · Apr 2007

Nice start on the Armour.
Buuut...where are his big muscels?? You should do the organics first, at least make a basemesh that is similiar to the concept. Would be annoying if you got to squeeze the guy in a tiny armour!

Japhir · Apr 2007

cool stuff!
your not following your concept very accurately, and i like the concept better than the way the armour geometry is right now. (for instance; in the concept you have 5 plates on his belly and in the model 7.)
keep it up!

Joao Sapiro · Apr 2007

id recomend practise with lowpoly geometry first, achieve as much shape as possible with very few triangles . Beause so far you seem to lack that base.

Xaltar · Apr 2007

Thanks guys, great crits, I have (I think) adressed most of them, heres an update

Jaco · Apr 2007

That armour still looks a bit tight and thin, I can't imagine how he puts it on

Japhir · Apr 2007

nice start on the head! i would still add some more muscles like the other guys suggested.

Xaltar · Apr 2007

Here ya go Japhir

Jaco - This is all base stuff for normal mapping

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Bit more form tweaking. Just trying to muss out the major forms before I stuff it into mudbox (saves me time hehe).

Xaltar · Apr 2007

Bit more

Sam Hatami · Apr 2007

Duuuuude.... (y) I need you on msn later on.

Japhir · Apr 2007

cool! i like the armour on his calves a lot! your working fast!

Xaltar · Apr 2007

Thanks

Been busy with other stuff for a while but I'm back at it now. Heres todays progres so far.

Still have a lot to do on the boots, smoothing group errors, shaping etc. It will be a while before I'm ready to mudbox this sucker...

Xaltar · May 2007

Well, due to miscommunication, I was doing the wrong concept lol. Decided to start fresh on the right one. The concept I'm following is the one on the far right.

[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2658/marineconceptwz1.jpge]"]http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2658/marineconceptwz1.jpge][/url]

I decided to do the low poly first this time around. This is what I have so far, just under 5000 tris without the standin pipes and clasps, those are from the old medium poly and are just to help me with forms.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6452/image2tc4.jpg

wires from the front, more shots later when I get there lol.
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7293/image1eu5.jpg

Not sure which of the Blur guys did the concept atm but I'll post a name for credit sake as soon as I find out.

crits welcome :P

Thanks again to Arsh for the base male model, I'm sure most of you can see bits of it here (some big bits...)

conte · May 2007

that guy's name is Markus?

odium · May 2007

OD pre-dates GOW, even the early media of GOW, lol. Its a good few years old now.

Xaltar · May 2007

Thanks for clearing that up dude

Yeah, the concepts for Overdose have been arround for quite some time. Besides, when you are doing this kind of character its hard to make it not look like something else.

Anyways, this should help make it less like any other models :P

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7525/image1oe6.jpg

Let rip

PolyPutty · May 2007

just a minor note on some of the anatomy of the model. the most obvious thing being that he has the crotch of a woman. Make it look like a cup or something.

cholden · May 2007

Some quick things to man-up this guy

Carrying all this heavy gear is going to build up a strong upper back and neck, either you armor is silk thin or he has no traps
Raise up the armor on the shoulders, thicken his neck and widen his jaw line for aesthetics

On a personal preference, I lowered the top of the skull just a tad. I felt he looked a bit egg-headed.

Reduce the taper at the bottom of the torso armor. It'll make him appear thicker and more flexible as well as complimenting the silhouette.

The hips and crotch of this guy are in bad shape. Thicken out everything in this area. Not only will he have to have a powerful core and hip flexors to carry all of his gear, but again, the armor isn't paper thin. Thicken and pull it off the body a bit, and it'll also add a nice profile enhancement. Next and most importantly, drop the crotch and build a cup shape as PolyPutty said. Not only does his manhood have to be in there, it has to rest comfortably.

Finally, thicken the thighs a bit to balance out the overall body strength and effective appearance of the armor.

a quick illustration
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5412/xaltcopyps7.jpg

btw: these changes were based on looking at your concept.

Xaltar · May 2007

Sweet, thanks for the pointers and the paintover

I'll work them in as soon as I have time to look at this guy again,hopefully tomorow.

The only thing from your crits I have already planned on doing was the nutt cup

That part of the model is not finished to the same level as the rest yet. The rest of the tips weren't even on my radar

Gotta love having a few extra sets of eyes to find the problem areas lol.

Stay toooned, more to come

Xaltar · May 2007

Update

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/2666/37641097rz6.jpg

The face is crap, I'll be redoing it once I have the rest of the body right.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5005/65043086bp9.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5454/73979216bc2.jpg

Some wires

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5837/53969742jx2.jpg

Changed a lot of stuff from the concept cuz it just wasn't working in 3d. Spent a lot of time on MSN with the project lead artist to nail down the design. Only half way down the body atm, still have to tweak and fix the leg armor and figure out what the hell to do with the belt detail...

C&C welcome as always, need more eyes on this.

Slaught · May 2007

What I´m missing here is the general boldness of the concept.
Especially in the middle and lower body also the head seems too big.
I´d say keep closer to your original concepts and you´ll have yourself a fine model.
The overall meshflow of the body looks okay but the head let´s it down a bit...too many loops,not enough form.

Keep it up!

Xaltar · May 2007

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The face is crap, I'll be redoing it once I have the rest of the body right.

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http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3491/89173716cm7.jpg

There, thats better, I'll get to the face when I'm done with the rest. Just droped in Arsh's base man head for proportion sake.

Hehe, yeah

I have only actually finished (well for this stage anyway) the torso armor, the rest is going to be getting the treatment shortly

Thanks for the input

diZzyWalnut · May 2007

excelent mesh.
add some more details on armor, boots and it will be cool.

Xaltar · May 2007

Thanks diZzy, thats the idea

Couldn't bare looking at a faceless model lol

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2784/84321220ak1.jpg

I think this is better

Xaltar · May 2007

More

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9207/35334343oa3.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2356/63040658iw6.jpg

Starting to come allong now

Xaltar · May 2007

Love turbosmooth and stacking tools

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9894/61143104kj7.jpg

Trying to get a better feel for this kinda modeling, I'll add as much detail as I can this way before I go into mudbox and add "texture" and small details to the armor. I really need to get a tablet..

This is turning into a fun project

Xaltar · May 2007

A little mudbox work on the head, only doing large detail due to the fact that the texture for the head will only be a 256x512 or possibly a 512x512 if I'm lucky and the rest of the dev team agrees.

If anyone has any advice on working with such low res normal maps please speak up, I'm in unknown waters here and would hate to make this just another shite model on my hard disk...

cholden · May 2007

My main suggestion is to edit all your older posts and changing the image tags to url tags. This thread is getting heavily cluttered with pics so it takes a while to load, and this way, people will be able to get feedback to you quicker.

Also, his eye appear too large.

Xaltar · May 2007

Thanks for the advice, I changed all the images I could to urls (except current), much easier on the eyes.

Could a mod delete my posts before the first post with urls? I have scrapped that model entirely so theres no point in it being here. I can't edit them anymore....

Xaltar · May 2007

Well, thats about as good as I can get it at the moment. Did I miss any large details? I have hit a blank lol.

Crits would be great

Xaltar · May 2007

Normal map baked to a 512x512 and textures at 512x512, normal, spec, diffuse and height map (for self shadows in the game engine).

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8758/63525553ls5.jpg

Japhir · May 2007

looks nice! beard seems a bit blurred and the ear normals could use some definithion but i really like the eyes/nose/mouth etc. :P great stuff!

Xaltar · May 2007

Thanks for the comment

still need to redo the ears but heres a bit more of an update.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/111/73267899fc4.jpg

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updated pic with new ears.

Xaltar · May 2007

Last update and off to bed lol. This is fucking addictive lol

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8862/75486505cu3.jpg

Xaltar · May 2007

Done, on to the next bit.....

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1416/19155178zw1.jpg

Xaltar · May 2007

OK so I played more

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8599/66004780zp6.jpg

I'll post some flats when I get the chance

Xaltar · May 2007

Ok, texture sheet for the head (scaled down)

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7541/texlu8.jpg

Xaltar · May 2007

Moved on to the arms, figured I'd get all the organics done.

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/9734/81021982ho1.jpg

Xaltar · May 2007

New normal map for the head and I have unmirrored the face. Still need to remake the diffuse to match the new normal map.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3388/32045662ym2.jpg

Xaltar · May 2007

Getting there

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/274/45046971dx7.jpg

Joao Sapiro · May 2007

the anatomy is very off in my opinion, pointy eyes ,nose , mouth could be bettered

Xaltar · May 2007

Care to elaborate? I am still quite a n00b, I have looked at reffs for this thing till my eyes hurt but I just can't see errors as well as some of you guys can

I want this thing to be as good as I can make it, its already better than my domwar entry but its not good enough yet...

Brutality won't offend (so long as its a propper crit

)

greenj2 · May 2007

I'd say it's looking pretty good so far man, although I think I understand what Johny is getting at. It would be really helpful to see a 45 degree and side render of the head.

Xaltar · May 2007

Cool, here.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1264/19220379qv2.jpg
I think I see Johny's point on the eyes, the corners are pretty sharp, I need to round them out a bit.

Xaltar · May 2007

Johny - thanks dude, didn't see what you meant right off, I had a look after a days break and it started popping out at me.

anyways, this any better?

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7867/24271940ve9.jpg

Jaco · May 2007

It's looking better. I've done a paint over, if you don't mind:

Some things to note: The 3 main colour zones of the face, the position of the iris and pupil, dont shade with black, the upper lip is wider but thinner than the lower lip.

Joao Sapiro · May 2007

you should look at the bone structure of the face, and look at real lips , yours dont read as lips . Jaco paintover is cool althou i wouldnt make the nose like that nor the lips eheh , keep it up ! ill try to do a paintover too but i rarely have free time ugh

Xaltar · May 2007

Wow, thanks for the input guys

Xaltar · May 2007

Here's a little update, thanks again for the paintover Jako dis lekker

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4940/79527804ii8.jpg

This is as close as you would really get to the guy ingame so I'll keep my renders at this size from now on. If anyone wants a bigger render just let me know.

Xaltar · May 2007

More

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6706/16681009td0.jpg

Xaltar · Jun 2007

My PC has been giving me a hard time so things have been really slow on this guy. I'm buying a new system in a few weeks so things should move faster then. I'm looking into buying a tablet but all I can find here is a genius 3x4. Is that any good or should I order a bigger/ better one? I'm on a fairly tight budget sadly

Anyway, heres a small update.

Overdose Character Models

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