walking upside down and having to look "up" for enemies will take some getting used to. At first I didnt think I was going to like that part of the game, but after playing the demo I can see where it will make for interesting puzzles/gameplay. I too wasn't crazy about the Native American approach, but the whole spirit walk and life recycle concept works so thats good enough for me. I'll be looking forward to the retail release. Any news on the date yet?
I think that the ship is the main intelligent bad guy and that its basically eating all the humans for fuel or whatever.
Either that or it's some sort of hivemind or psionic overlord. Come to think of it, controlled by a hive mind, razing planets eating all life, organic technology... Sounds familiar.
Cool. Hats off to the devs. May actually pick this up. Other than the issue of system lockups (which was happening with HL2 as well, so it's something with my system and not the game), it played wonderfully. My gripe about the outline of the bodies killing the high poly work applies to some areas of the game, but not enough for me to not buy it. If the full game has half as fun as this I'll love it. The physics (wall / ceiling / SPHERE!) walking I love, as it's something I've felt a long time coming. The teleporting's nothing new, but is well implemented. I'm digging the weapon design (the whole 'organic assault rifle scope clamping onto your eye' bit freaked me out (in a cool way) when I realized it was doing that). The Indian religious stuff was very well done, hopefully no Jack Thompson-style whiners will surface.
I Loved it. Two favourite bits were: Bad guys rockin to Judas Priest deep within the alien architecture, and the random portals in multi-player (they really ramped the adrenalin up). I also liked the alien doors and such - very reminiscent of 'the many' in System Shock 2 - no bad thing.
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Right yeah it's pretty bothersome, but the scene with the exploding and impaled 8 year olds is fine right?
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I think I missed that one, where did this happen? But that's a point you got there Daz. I'm still thinking about why religious content bothers me more than violence. What you mentioned was something I didn't do as a player, those I fight against did it. That makes a difference for me.
At the end of a corridor there's a cell to the right with two children in it. The cell force field won't deactivate before the seuence is over so you must have been busy with something else.
awesome.. This demo definately convinced me to buy it!
One thing that I thought was wierd though, when I first saw jenny I thought she might be an elf or something. her ears are kind of.. odd. Same with gramps to some extent. Brilliant fun though, and I guessed the box part might be done but I was still pretty surprised, especially when the alien runs in.. he looks normal size then gets closer.. bigger.. bigger.. whoa!
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awesome.. This demo definately convinced me to buy it!
One thing that I thought was wierd though, when I first saw jenny I thought she might be an elf or something. her ears are kind of.. odd. Same with gramps to some extent. Brilliant fun though, and I guessed the box part might be done but I was still pretty surprised, especially when the alien runs in.. he looks normal size then gets closer.. bigger.. bigger.. whoa!
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Start the demo up again and leave the toilets to see your grandad... croch and down and look at his Jaw. Its _REALLY_ odd, it looks like there's no actual model bit for the underneath and the neck extends past it.. - can't describe it but maybe I'm seeing something differently..
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My biggest disapointment with it is that it seems they didnt even try and use anything else but the base shader for all materials. This is a major lose imo.
I don't like the way it's shiny. I also don't like the very evident normal-map look of everything (black shadows). You would think that, by now, these engines would have been tinkered with to make the visuals even better and less abrasive.
When I first started the game, I was a little miffed that I could get out of the pre-scripted scenes. Then I was frustrated that I had to walk around the bar numerous times to simply trigger the even that lets me proceed in the demo. I could have turned the game off right then and there. Luckily, a co worker was watching me play and told me that I'm supposed to trigger an event.
Then POW! Lights... then WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH it's DOOM 3 AGAIN. The same shiny looking game lit by the same cyan colored lights with bright red underlighting... with a Native American. WTF?
The only thing that would save this game for me is if Steven Segal was in it and he would chant Native American hymns while kicking ass.
In all seriousness, this game has been presented to me before. And there's nothing interesting this time around that makes me want to play it.
Why, why, why must normal mapped shadows have to be black? It's been 2 years since doom 3, where's the progression? Are they developing this game on an unmodified D3 engine?
well i dunno i managed to look past it's "doomish" looks and i found it to be quite enjoyable and immersive .. there is a lot of detail and thought put into the lever design and gameplay ..
even though i was following hte progress of this game i was still pleasantly surprised ..
One thing I've noticed in this game and FEAR, particularly on the female characters is there's HORRIBLE deformation around the shoulders and elbows. When the indian love interest is talking to your character in the bar there are several moments where her elbows deform badly and stretch the texture a bit. I know those spots are tough but cmon!
Another small gripe I had with a technical aspect is there are several objects (again, including the woman) where you can blatantly see the seam right down the center where they mirrored the textures.
Kind of dissappointing to see an otherwise well polished game have some bad flaws like that.
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Why does it bother you?
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To make this clear in advance, any reply that involves some sort of sterotypical ultra-secular Euro atheist cliche that takes a position against religion in general will likely result in my going on a rant, with all sorts of scorn and name-calling for having such an absurd reason not to play a video game. Just FYI
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Haha, no it's rather because I'm christian and I don't want to play practicing another religion. I just don't enjoy it
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Well, that's less inclined to make me bang my head on the keyboard in despair. Is it specifically playing a character based on an actual world religion that you object to, or is it any sort of non-Christian overtone that you avoid? If you tell me that you won't play a priest or shaman class in World of Warcraft, for instance, I'm going back into Rant Mode!
but do native americans really believe you can pop out of your body and shoot people with a glowing bow-and-arrow? It's not really playing as a religion, its just a fun gimmick to give the game some identity.
lordscottish, i think you are being a little presumptious .. i dont think of it as something religious but something spiritual .. and spirituality is a theme that is explored in all kinds of media ..
it's not as if you are playing an actual religious propaganda game of sorts .. I think it's just their way of being creative and introducing spirituatlity as a gameplay element as well as a plot element..
verm, I don't think full-on rant mode is required.
If he doesn't enjoy assuming the identities of people of other faith, why deride him? I know people who won't play games if you have to be a woman. I won't play games if they have a peregrine falcon in them, because I loath them with ever fibre of my being.
Personal taste isn't really anything to rant over. I doubt it ever changes anyones minds.
Those damn injuns and their heathen religion . What about a missionary simulator where the object is to teach those savages the one true religion, and turn them into civilized, upstanding members of society like us white folk? Now there's a video game I'd be interested in.
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do you... do you still get to kill them afterwards?
Only the ones who refuse to convert to Christianity. If a few should catch the measles or smallpox from our fine quilts that we so generously offered them, well... we'll just consider that God's will.
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verm, I don't think full-on rant mode is required.
If he doesn't enjoy assuming the identities of people of other faith, why deride him? I know people who won't play games if you have to be a woman. I won't play games if they have a peregrine falcon in them, because I loath them with ever fibre of my being.
Personal taste isn't really anything to rant over. I doubt it ever changes anyones minds.
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Err... yeah. And that's why I didn't rant about it? In this case, I am cool with someone simply being uncomfortable with it - the Great Spirit that gives Tommy his powers is going smack up against hte First Commandment and all that. I don't share the discomfort, but I can understand the perspective. When that kind of opinion extends to some sort of zealotry, though, I'm not on board with it. I mean, if someone tells me he can't play Populous because it blasphemes our one true God, an argument I've heard before... yeah, that gets scorn and ridicule.
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Don't worry guys, stereotyping people based on their continent of origin will not faze him.
Great demo. Had a blast. The skin weight painting on the humans was pretty bad, is that left for late in the development? That and Jen's paint-on ears were the only things that really took me out of the game. Great level design.
The last time magic or religion in a game bothered me was when that blasted red wizard shot the food.
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I don't have a completely thought through concept, but I think it bothers me as soon as the religious aspect of the game is actually practised by people. Shooting at ghost beings with your spirit bow is not, but spirit walking or leaving your body is used by different religions and esoteric movements.
The thing is though, that you propably don't find many things that aren't practiced by anyone on this planet, I'm thinking about the jedi movie.
Grim Fandango for example didn't bother me, although it used names and words from existing religions.
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lordscottish, i think you are being a little presumptious .. i dont think of it as something religious but something spiritual .. and spirituality is a theme that is explored in all kinds of media .
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From my point of view (which I agree that it is biased), there is no relevant difference between religion and spiritual things, both try reveal the supernatural. Religion is just more organized and institutionalised.
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I thought about using that example in my first post actually I think many people propably wouldn't enjoy playing it while others wouldn't mind because it's just a game.
played the bar intro, moved a few selected objects, squirted soap from the dispenser straight onto the floor ... saw scripted anims, saw metal, saw flesh, saw sphincters, saw everything covered in thick black shadow and semen lighting, hit things with a red wrench and made them twitch, saw railings ... corridors ... got to the first switch ... shut it down. I just can't be arsed with FPS games any more.
I loved the sheer quality of things like the spirit walk... when you approach your body floating there you don't see jagged polygons clip through the surface...the surface of the character burns away. The puzzles within the game. I've been waiting for an FPS to incorporate brain teaserish puzzles.
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I don't have a completely thought through concept, but I think it bothers me as soon as the religious aspect of the game is actually practised by people. Shooting at ghost beings with your spirit bow is not, but spirit walking or leaving your body is used by different religions and esoteric movements.
The thing is though, that you propably don't find many things that aren't practiced by anyone on this planet, I'm thinking about the jedi movie.
Grim Fandango for example didn't bother me, although it used names and words from existing religions.
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lordscottish, i think you are being a little presumptious .. i dont think of it as something religious but something spiritual .. and spirituality is a theme that is explored in all kinds of media .
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From my point of view (which I agree that it is biased), there is no relevant difference between religion and spiritual things, both try reveal the supernatural. Religion is just more organized and institutionalised.
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I thought about using that example in my first post actually I think many people propably wouldn't enjoy playing it while others wouldn't mind because it's just a game.
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Sorry, i just find it hard not to respond to this, this will be all though. I'm agnostic... but it doesn't bother me when people make reference to or art, or games with religious themes or undertones. Religion is a way of life. Might aswell get used to that.
Native american religion is one of the coolest religions in my eyes as well totally based off of nature as opposed to the man in the sky who's going to save us from burning for all eternity if we believe in him garb.
sounds like a standard misconception of nearly all monotheastic Abrahamic religions to me, not limited to but including christianity, judiasm, and islam.
I agree that indian religion is pretty cool and good to have in a video game. Who cares if its strictly accurate or whatever, the game has something about it that makes you want to play it. All too lacking in many game these days.
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Either that or it's some sort of hivemind or psionic overlord. Come to think of it, controlled by a hive mind, razing planets eating all life, organic technology... Sounds familiar.
The gameplay was awesome, but the indian religion stuff bothers me, so I'm not gonna buy it
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Right yeah it's pretty bothersome, but the scene with the exploding and impaled 8 year olds is fine right?
Kudos to the HH guys, it's a nice piece of work.
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Right yeah it's pretty bothersome, but the scene with the exploding and impaled 8 year olds is fine right?
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I think I missed that one, where did this happen?
At the end of a corridor there's a cell to the right with two children in it. The cell force field won't deactivate before the seuence is over so you must have been busy with something else.
One thing that I thought was wierd though, when I first saw jenny I thought she might be an elf or something. her ears are kind of.. odd. Same with gramps to some extent. Brilliant fun though, and I guessed the box part might be done but I was still pretty surprised, especially when the alien runs in.. he looks normal size then gets closer.. bigger.. bigger.. whoa!
Thank you, whoever made that demo. You just wasted 15 minutes of my (and co worker's) lives that we'll NEVER GET BACK.
WHY IS EVERYTHING SO FUCKING SHINY?!
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Doom3.
awesome.. This demo definately convinced me to buy it!
One thing that I thought was wierd though, when I first saw jenny I thought she might be an elf or something. her ears are kind of.. odd. Same with gramps to some extent. Brilliant fun though, and I guessed the box part might be done but I was still pretty surprised, especially when the alien runs in.. he looks normal size then gets closer.. bigger.. bigger.. whoa!
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Start the demo up again and leave the toilets to see your grandad... croch and down and look at his Jaw. Its _REALLY_ odd, it looks like there's no actual model bit for the underneath and the neck extends past it.. - can't describe it but maybe I'm seeing something differently..
It doesn't have to be shiny just 'cos it's Doom3 though. I guess people feel that if the specular is available use it. But yeah, it is odd.
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My biggest disapointment with it is that it seems they didnt even try and use anything else but the base shader for all materials. This is a major lose imo.
When I first started the game, I was a little miffed that I could get out of the pre-scripted scenes. Then I was frustrated that I had to walk around the bar numerous times to simply trigger the even that lets me proceed in the demo. I could have turned the game off right then and there. Luckily, a co worker was watching me play and told me that I'm supposed to trigger an event.
Then POW! Lights... then WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH it's DOOM 3 AGAIN. The same shiny looking game lit by the same cyan colored lights with bright red underlighting... with a Native American. WTF?
The only thing that would save this game for me is if Steven Segal was in it and he would chant Native American hymns while kicking ass.
In all seriousness, this game has been presented to me before. And there's nothing interesting this time around that makes me want to play it.
Why, why, why must normal mapped shadows have to be black? It's been 2 years since doom 3, where's the progression? Are they developing this game on an unmodified D3 engine?
SouL doesn't like black anymore!
Grown out of the goth period or what mate?!
even though i was following hte progress of this game i was still pleasantly surprised ..
i think soul needs a hug
Oh, and I didn't think they were that bad, anyways. They worked.
Another small gripe I had with a technical aspect is there are several objects (again, including the woman) where you can blatantly see the seam right down the center where they mirrored the textures.
Kind of dissappointing to see an otherwise well polished game have some bad flaws like that.
this, much fun to play and that is what count.
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Why does it bother you?
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To make this clear in advance, any reply that involves some sort of sterotypical ultra-secular Euro atheist cliche that takes a position against religion in general will likely result in my going on a rant, with all sorts of scorn and name-calling for having such an absurd reason not to play a video game. Just FYI
BRAVO for HUMAN HEADS .
Haha, no it's rather because I'm christian and I don't want to play practicing another religion. I just don't enjoy it
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Well, that's less inclined to make me bang my head on the keyboard in despair. Is it specifically playing a character based on an actual world religion that you object to, or is it any sort of non-Christian overtone that you avoid? If you tell me that you won't play a priest or shaman class in World of Warcraft, for instance, I'm going back into Rant Mode!
it's not as if you are playing an actual religious propaganda game of sorts .. I think it's just their way of being creative and introducing spirituatlity as a gameplay element as well as a plot element..
to each his own i guess though
If he doesn't enjoy assuming the identities of people of other faith, why deride him? I know people who won't play games if you have to be a woman. I won't play games if they have a peregrine falcon in them, because I loath them with ever fibre of my being.
Personal taste isn't really anything to rant over. I doubt it ever changes anyones minds.
Those damn injuns and their heathen religion
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do you... do you still get to kill them afterwards?
verm, I don't think full-on rant mode is required.
If he doesn't enjoy assuming the identities of people of other faith, why deride him? I know people who won't play games if you have to be a woman. I won't play games if they have a peregrine falcon in them, because I loath them with ever fibre of my being.
Personal taste isn't really anything to rant over. I doubt it ever changes anyones minds.
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Err... yeah. And that's why I didn't rant about it? In this case, I am cool with someone simply being uncomfortable with it - the Great Spirit that gives Tommy his powers is going smack up against hte First Commandment and all that. I don't share the discomfort, but I can understand the perspective. When that kind of opinion extends to some sort of zealotry, though, I'm not on board with it. I mean, if someone tells me he can't play Populous because it blasphemes our one true God, an argument I've heard before... yeah, that gets scorn and ridicule.
To make this clear in advance, any reply that involves some sort of sterotypical ultra-secular Euro atheist cliche that takes a position against religion in general will likely result in my going on a rant, with all sorts of scorn and name-calling for having such an absurd reason not to play a video game. Just FYI
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Don't worry guys, stereotyping people based on their continent of origin will not faze him.
The last time magic or religion in a game bothered me was when that blasted red wizard shot the food.
Is it specifically playing a character based on an actual world religion that you object to, or is it any sort of non-Christian overtone that you avoid?
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I don't have a completely thought through concept, but I think it bothers me as soon as the religious aspect of the game is actually practised by people. Shooting at ghost beings with your spirit bow is not, but spirit walking or leaving your body is used by different religions and esoteric movements.
The thing is though, that you propably don't find many things that aren't practiced by anyone on this planet, I'm thinking about the jedi movie.
Grim Fandango for example didn't bother me, although it used names and words from existing religions.
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lordscottish, i think you are being a little presumptious .. i dont think of it as something religious but something spiritual .. and spirituality is a theme that is explored in all kinds of media .
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From my point of view (which I agree that it is biased), there is no relevant difference between religion and spiritual things, both try reveal the supernatural. Religion is just more organized and institutionalised.
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Those damn injuns and their heathen religion . What about a missionary simulator where the object is to teach those savages the one true religion, and turn them into civilized, upstanding members of society like us white folk? Now there's a video game I'd be interested in.
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I thought about using that example in my first post actually
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I don't have a completely thought through concept, but I think it bothers me as soon as the religious aspect of the game is actually practised by people. Shooting at ghost beings with your spirit bow is not, but spirit walking or leaving your body is used by different religions and esoteric movements.
The thing is though, that you propably don't find many things that aren't practiced by anyone on this planet, I'm thinking about the jedi movie.
Grim Fandango for example didn't bother me, although it used names and words from existing religions.
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lordscottish, i think you are being a little presumptious .. i dont think of it as something religious but something spiritual .. and spirituality is a theme that is explored in all kinds of media .
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From my point of view (which I agree that it is biased), there is no relevant difference between religion and spiritual things, both try reveal the supernatural. Religion is just more organized and institutionalised.
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Those damn injuns and their heathen religion . What about a missionary simulator where the object is to teach those savages the one true religion, and turn them into civilized, upstanding members of society like us white folk? Now there's a video game I'd be interested in.
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I thought about using that example in my first post actually
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Sorry, i just find it hard not to respond to this, this will be all though. I'm agnostic... but it doesn't bother me when people make reference to or art, or games with religious themes or undertones. Religion is a way of life. Might aswell get used to that.
Native american religion is one of the coolest religions in my eyes as well totally based off of nature as opposed to the man in the sky who's going to save us from burning for all eternity if we believe in him garb.
...as opposed to the man in the sky who's going to save us from burning for all eternity if we believe in him garb.
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Which religion is that?