Stereotypes = racism?
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I got banned from "eatpoo" for saying "scottish are well known as tighties, for example Scrooge Mac Duck by disney"
Apparently they feel this is against their anti-racism policy.
Petty bullshit more like, the forum mods there are on total power trips.
Apparently they feel this is against their anti-racism policy.
Petty bullshit more like, the forum mods there are on total power trips.
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oh, so you are against the Scottish, eh? You got something against kilts you racist prick?
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its the bagpipes i take issue with
some people are hyper sensitive. It's like saying "germans are serious" or "Sweeds are efficent" are racist comments. "scotish are tighties" - racist? Every Scotish person I've met makes fun of themself for being a tight bastard.
oh, i love the bagpipes!
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you smarmy bastard
by that I mean they have a very weak sense of reality. they appear to troll thier own forum! bizzare!
Did you hear how copper wire was invented? Apparently a Scott & a Jew were fighting over a penny...
It's been my experience so far that Scots tend to be more purse proud and generous than most races I've encoutered.
Now, when it comes to the stereotype of Scots being quick tempered and overly passionate thats certainly true in my experience.
I think stereotypes are cool, and mostly i think they are funny too, but if you want to take them seriously i think it helps to have lived in those countries so that you are informed as to which are true, which are not and how best o have fun with that heh
I think more than most, Scots are pretty cool with people making fun of their stereotype. Certainly, despite being a scot, I think we're a pretty funny bunch and well deserving of ridicule for certain traits, but at least we're down to earth about it and that counts a lot with me.
Nothing is worse imo, than a race that can't face the facts and are uptight about their 'issues' , I mean, wheres the fun if you can't point the finger now and then?
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Nothing is worse imo, than a race that can't face the facts and are uptight about their 'issues' , I mean, wheres the fun if you can't point the finger now and then?
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You could have just straight out said "there is nothing worse than the Germans" instead of beating about the bush, Ror.
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I'm glad this place exists, at least.
I think the difference between "stereotypes" and "racism" is vast, like a gaping chasm. You'd have to get one's head wedged pretty firmly up ones own arse to mix them up.
Pogonip: I'd never thought of it that way. Roundeye never posts art there anymore. I always thought his username comes from the Korean insult "hamburger roundeye" as in: "go home american hamburger roundeye!!"
(with the recipient of such abuse often thinking they said american, but actually its a korean word similar in sound that means "foreigner". "what go home and stop developing your country with my specialist knowledge in Bridges/Roads/Construction/Computers? OK then.")
Being a Mick myself, I can attest to the fact that I do infact have reddish hair, I like to drink, and occasionally fight.
scots are all red-haired, kilt-wearing tightwads
the welsh are all sheep-shagging choirboy rugby players
the english are all toffe-nosed bowler hat wearing polite people
the irish are all thick or terrorists
the swedes are all blonde sex-mad porn stars
the americans are all either cowboys, gangsters or in the military
the french are all cheese-eating, wine-drinking arrogant bastards.
oh, wait, that last IS true isn't it?
Disney made a cartoon series based on this Stereotype, with Scrooge McDuck and his massive vault of money living in America, pinching his pennies along the way, the mind boggles how what I wrote can be considered racism. I'm sure all the millions of fans of ducktales will be pleased that they have in fact all this time been watching racist propaganda.
Years ago it was deemed rascist that the woman in the Tom and Jerry cartoons was black, and she got changed to an Irish woman. This was at a time when there were MANY overtly racist cartoons, and some un-racist one got swept up in the changes. But is it less racist to use an Irish maid than and black one?
To address the Scrooge McDuck thing - it's not racist it a sterotype. And in a recent charity breakdown it was shown that Scottish people doanted more to charity per head than the English or Welsh - English being the lowest.
On a side not, I never knew Vassago or ScoobyDoofus were Irish. Where are you folks from?
*edit* looks like Rick beat me to it
PS: Ror just a note.. if your signature is "r.", you don't have to type in "r." after the post
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Daz: I get a lot of that ' Oh you're scottish, so am I dude!' , 'You mean, originally aye?' heh
I don't really agree with that stuff too much, my wee girl was born in scotland by a scotsman and belgian lass, but she's growing up in the states so she's going to grow up to be an american.
As to racism and stereotypes, well I think I've said my bit.
Stereotypes are too much fun to allow the politically correct age to convince us are racist, it's getting to the point where nothing is allowed to be funny anymore because it might offend someone!
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"Canadian!"
thnom: my nickname is a rorshach, a mongrelisation of rorschach, a rorschach is a mirrored image... work it out man!
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Haha you learn something new everyday. Rorschach is one of those blobs things.. and that its said raw-SHOCK. I thought it was ror-sash or something.. kinda like ash in ashtray with the a that weird ssh sound.
I do now see the significence of the .r--.r thing though
I have met a lot of racist pricks in my time( quite a few in the games industry) and the difference in both tone and language is fairly clear.
I was in a channel with some mod friends, and showed a picture of myself. One of the girls in the chat called me a mutt because she couldn't guess my background. I realized some of the others were from Italian, Irish, British, or other Eastern European families. You normally use mutt when refering to dogs of mixed breeds. But it also means a dull-witted person. I'm English and Native American (Blackfoot). So she's right, I really don't have a specific ancestry to be proud of. Just American, which I am not proud of. Although, like most mixed breeds, my health is terrific. But for the first time, I felt a bit of discouragement just for what I am when she used that word, even jokingly. And I realize, what I felt was insignificant to what others from all different races must feel at every moment. In many ways, being African-American is so much worse, because you're disconnected from your African roots. And the History that led you to become American still haunts your daily life. Even in this land that's considered a melting pot where many understand the Civil War is long gone.
I often feel jealousy towards the British and Irish, and the Greek, etc. They have such a long history to reflect on, and a country that fills them with pride. Racism isn't so much as issue. Not like how us Americans feel towards those dogsledding igloo dwellers up north. But you have to remember, the obese population of the US loves bacon!
Don't forget to mention the odd American predisposition to cling to distant ancestral origins. Unless I'm highly mistaken two Americans in this thread just pronounced themselves Irish ;-)
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I had a conversation the other night with a guy who is dating my roomate . He was talking and brought up the fact that he was Italion and I was like " oh your from Italy " ? and he said " no im from Jersey " and I said " Then your American not Italion " and he was like " well that's were my family comes from im proud to be Italion " and I said " well mine come from Ireland but ive never claimed to be anything other then American so 'll leave the Irish pride to the people living in Ireland and just be proud to be an American and you should do the same " he said " Yeah I guess I see what you mean " ...
I don't know why so many Americans cling to there Ancestry. I mean don't forget where you came from and how you got here ,but embrace what you have now is what I tell them . I mean hell if your going to play on your roots why not claim to be Northern African that's where we all come from if you go back far enough...
Don't forget to mention the odd American predisposition to cling to distant ancestral origins. Unless I'm highly mistaken two Americans in this thread just pronounced themselves Irish ;-)
*edit* looks like Rick beat me to it
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Indeed it is a bit strange of us Americans but I suppose thats just a part of American culture, to be proud of the 'Ole USA & your ancestral nation. Probably something to do with that Immigrant Melting Pot mentality. My Mom was born on the boat over from ye olde emerald isle, so It's not that distant an ancestry I suppose.
I don't know why so many Americans cling to there Ancestry
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Personally I'm into history so I really like tracing my family line back to who came over from where from which side of my family. It just interests me.
i love stereotypes, they make for great fun, and pretty much everyone knows them too.
the racism thing is retarded, there's a channel i idle in on irc where people have been banned for saying "japs" to refer to the japanese, but brits, scots, or even frogs don't even get a kick. nice double standard there ¬_¬
as for ancestry vs. nationality, that should be a personal choice, but i'm always disappointed to see people who aren't proud of their country. and i really hate it when the pc brigade try to turn being proud of who you are into something detestible, retarded fuckers stopped an indian taxi driver from having the union jack on his back window, because it might promote racial hatred or some such bullshit. and more recently during a re-enactment of the battle of trafalgar, the british, french and spanish where changed to red team and blue team so as not to hurt france and spain's "feelings". fucking self-hating bastards, the world would be better off with out them.
i rambled, but damn it, i'm proud to be british, i'm proud to be white, and i expect everyone else to be proud of who they are regardless of what their lineage is.
I had a conversation the other night with a guy who is dating my roomate . He was talking and brought up the fact that he was Italion and I was like " oh your from Italy " ? and he said " no im from Jersey " and I said " Then your American not Italion " and he was like " well that's were my family comes from im proud to be Italion " and I said " well mine come from Ireland but ive never claimed to be anything other then American so 'll leave the Irish pride to the people living in Ireland and just be proud to be an American and you should do the same " he said " Yeah I guess I see what you mean " ...
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If all his relatives are Italian and they moved to the US before he was born that makes him American by default BUT it depends on how you are brought up. Look at ror.. he accepts that his daughter is American. If you're brought up around the same beliefs and culture that your parents are from, you can say that..
But with this for instance.. if you're from a none-english speaking country.. at least learn some words from that language. I mean irish/scottish/english/etc its all well and good but learn the language if it isn't English. The only real exception is Welsh where the Welsh langauge is dieing (although it could be coming back again).
I'd also say Canada could be an exception, too. If you're parents are English.. you could say you're English, etc.
Looking back: you think Australians wanna say "Ye.. I'm english - my descendants were bad and they got shipped out here -- but I'm still English!"
Edit to follow on Marine: I fucking hate the government with flags at the moment. If you're Irish on St. Paddys day you can put the flag up, but if you're british on St. George's day you cannot. That's what pisses me off!
America-shmerica, I'm a New Yorker
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high five, if you say you're american that seems to bring up a different stereotype than if you were to say you're a new yorker.
i dont really feel anything about stereotyping one way or another, its not racist but i dont really find it that funny. i do make stereotypical accents though.
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I don't know why so many Americans cling to there Ancestry
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Personally I'm into history so I really like tracing my family line back to who came over from where from which side of my family. It just interests me.
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Nothing but bad times in my family history.
Now, when it comes to the stereotype of Scots being quick tempered and overly passionate thats certainly true in my experience.
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Quick to temper? WHAT THE HELL KIND OF CRAP IS THAT!?!
Wait, I see your point
Why is a fifty pence coin shaped the way it is?
So you can fit a wrench around it to prise it out of a scotsman's hand.
Even being scottish I found that one funny when my brother told me it
There was a tv ad in Italy years and years ago that had a scotsman hopping on one foot, his other foot had no shoe and they were advertising an expensive sports car that a scotsman couldnt afford because we are so cheap that we buy one shoe and hop to save money.
You wouldnt get away with that now, well not outside of scotland anyway, but everyone i know thought that was brilliant.
As bullshit as the penny pinching scots stereotype is, I still think its great fun, you know, short arms , deep pockets , nudge nudge
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Some folk need a 'crutch' and use patriotism as an excuse.
As bullshit as the penny pinching scots stereotype is, I still think its great fun, you know, short arms , deep pockets , nudge nudge
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I thought we had short arms because we were 'long' elsewhere
you see this could be funny if you like that sort of humour, but some scotsmen might be offended by it.
Being from the north East of england myself, we are quite often described as 'scotsmen with their brains bashed out'
Going back to the earlier post , 'japs' is seen as ofensive, because of the world war 2 connotations, whereas 'brit' is a trendy name for a british guy and has no offensive associations.
Well, I think theres a lot of different things I could have said; I chose not to say anything though
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Truly, a sad day for all.
Frank the Avenger