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Arm and Wrist Pain - how did you dealt with them?

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Recently I decided to get back into 3D after abandoning it for as much as a decade, and today after only 6 hours of Blender, I was swiftly reminded why I had to drop it in the first place - arm pain, specifically in these two places here:



I already know how this is going to play out - my arm will feel weaker and the discomfort increase day after day, until just 1-2 hours will be enough to shut me down for the day, and I'll see no choice but to put 3D aside again.

I really don't want this to repeat, I'm kind of desperate to do more, and I know mentally I could do this 12 hours a day no problem, but my body just won't allow that, so I'm looking for solutions to this.

This is probably a common issue among artists, so I would like to hear from people that suffered from this and recovered, and to know what worked for you, before I try something stupid and risk to injury myself further.

Also, having asked something similar a decade ago, I know one of the reactions can be "why you're asking us instead of a specialist?" - and that's fair. 
...this is a bit embarrassing to say, but being a hikikomori, that's essentially outside the things I can put up with.

So please, share with me what worked for you so that I can try something different this time.
Thank you in advance.


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  • GioChrono
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    GioChrono polycounter lvl 10
    I made a custom mouse matte, fabric style top layer and added a medium firmness sponge under layer, so its gives in to the shape of my wrist under its weight, but is still firm for the mouse to track correctly. This combo works for me so i dont need a fancy mouse, or those wierd gel lumps supports.
  • ghost-d
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    ghost-d polycounter lvl 19
    Ah, colleague, I see...
    Hi, I´ve also abandoned 3d for almost 10 years for very similar reasons (my problem was more palm oriented, "trigger finger"). There´s this thread that could have some answers/tips for you: https://polycount.com/discussion/comment/2731090#Comment_2731090
    I also posted there, if I were to sum up my advice:

    1 - Use vertical mouse - it helped me a lot and seeing which areas are your areas of concern - this might be the game-changer. If you haven´t tried it yet, you´ll notice the relief very quickly. Make sure you´re holding it correctly, I´ve seen people having a vertical mouse and they were holding it on the top as a regular mouse.

    2 - Try to avoid mouse clicking (especially clicking and holding mouse wheel - you won´t even notice it, but you´ll need to use more force to press it/keep it pressed and it´s a huge finger/wrist killer. even switching the position of your finger from left button to wheel is hurting your hand) and use pedals instead (I use usb triple foot switch - you can have your left/right/middle buttons programmed to it and it´s a huge hands saver)

    3 - exercise. I haven´t met a doctor who´d suggest any stretching exercises (and I asked...). So I went "F them all" and googled. I followed this video and it helped me a lot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSZWSQSSEjE

    4 - sticky keys - I stopped using it completely, the first two points helped me to a point I completely stopped even doing the exercises, but using sticky keys is very helpful for repetitive actions. Mostly organization of your folders etc., but you could find other use for it too, like having your "shift" or "ctrl" button "pressed" for selecting multiple objects or vertices in a scene etc.

    5 - if you´re using tablet, make sure you´re holding the pen right. I´ve been holding the wacom pen the wrong way and I´d love to travel back in time and kick my own a** for that.

    I´d like to hear whether you´ve tried any of these already (especially the vertical mouse - as cruel as it sounds, but I really hope you haven´t tried it yet, because it is a game-changer when it comes to health of your hands/arms and if you haven´t tried it - there´s a huge hope, almost certainty that you´ll find a relief for your hands/arms). Good luck!
  • Benjammin
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    1. Mechanical keyboards were one of the culprits for me, especially after a day's work in Unreal where I'm holding down WASD keys and mouse buttons.
    2. Compression gloves/braces and the equivalent for the elbow. 
    3. Vitamin supplements with ingredients specifically for joint and tendon health as well as exercises to strengthen the tendons. 
    4. This one's obvious but we all forget to do it - take breaks. 


  • マルコ
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    マルコ polycounter lvl 6
    @GioChrono  I don't have the skill to do any of that, although it's an interesting approach.

    @Benjammin I'm thinking I'll be setting a timer, take a 15 minute break every hour, how does it sounds? Too much?

    @ghost-d Tanks for all the tips, I've also checked the longer version in that other topic, and implemented the one about no mouse wheel and better shortcuts. 
    Previously I had Pan(Mouse side-button), RotateView(RMB), Zoom(Shift+RMB), so most of the strain was on the mouse hand - I've rebalanced those to be: Pan(Mouse side-button), RotateView(Space), Zoom(Q). And also will be consciously avoiding scroll wheel, I might just go and disable it actually.

    Never used a vertical mouse, but having a 60gr mouse, I worry switching to an heavier one will cause a different type of strain (as I've seen some Vertical Mouse users complaining about).
    I'll keep it on the table as an option, and gauge how the shortkey remapping will affect things first.

    Clearly those are all things that aim to alleviate the symptoms, but I think the root cause is simply that my forearm don't have enough endurance, so figuring out the optimal exercise to build that up is key.

    With that in mind, I've tried to reach out to them.
    But to be honest I'm very skeptical, like in one of the question when you try to book a consultation, they ask "How many USD $$$ have you spent in trying to solve the issue"?
    And I'm like "...why are you trying to gauge the size of my wallet? Can we just focus on solving the issue?"

    And then you get a mail saying:
    "Our team is currently reviewing your responses to determine whether
    you are a good fit for the program. Once the review is complete, you
    will receive an approval or decline email with next steps."

    ...I'm just trying to obtain a balanced forearm exercise sheet written by a professional specifically for these kind of problems, but it starts to look like a closely guarded secret to milk money from E-sport teams...


  • ghost-d
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    ghost-d polycounter lvl 19
    マルコ said:
    Never used a vertical mouse, but having a 60gr mouse, I worry switching to an heavier one will cause a different type of strain (as I've seen some Vertical Mouse users complaining about).
    I'll keep it on the table as an option, and gauge how the shortkey remapping will affect things first.

    Clearly those are all things that aim to alleviate the symptoms, but I think the root cause is simply that my forearm don't have enough endurance, so figuring out the optimal exercise to build that up is key.
    I don´t want to spam here, but I strongly recommend the vertical mouse. If you´re afraid of different type of strain - valid. But that will be THEN. Your problem is NOW and based on the areas the root of your problem is the rotation of your arm with regular mouse. It´s your choice, your call and I´m not going to try to persuade you - but I myself have been postponing it because I was worried it would be just waste of money, so I understand your doubts. I have two vertical mice in front of me right now. Left-handed and right-handed (I learned to work with left hand at one point as my pain was quite severe in the past). And I wish I had done it a lot sooner. So definitely don´t forget or underestimate this option. I´ve tried several types over the years - my cat chewed on the cable of my favorite one so I have a wireless version and even though the shape/size is the same, it doesn´t feel the same (nuts. It felt heavier, but turns out the wireless version is 5g lighter than the corded one - weird). So it might take a few ones before you find the one that fits you best. But even the worst vertical mouse is still better than a regular one - for me at least and I would bet some serious money that you´re the case too.

    Vertical mouse users that complained - are you sure they had some health problems before buying it? because people who don´t have a health problem and switch to a vertical mouse probably don´t use it properly in the first place (yes, I´ve seen people holding the vertical mouse just as a regular mouse - most likely THAT is the cause of their issue with the vertical mouse AND could cause even harm doing it, because they strain their healthy hand holding it wrong). And yes, it can be inconvenient to hold the mouse correctly at first (not in terms of pain, but sort of getting used to the movement or "aim" with the cursor). Look at it this way - It´s like wearing glasses. If you don´t have eyesight problem - it´s inconvenient, you forget where you put it, you need to clean it because of smudges etc. But if you need glasses to actually see - THEN you appreciate what it gives you. You won´t forget where you put it because you need it all the time. If those people bought vertical mouse for "fashion" or to try something different/to be interesting and not out of necessity - it´s easy for them to overlook the benefits and even use it improperly. Don´t let them discourage you, because they most likely aren´t the right group to give you a health advice as they never needed it for health improvement in the first place.

    Anyway, keep us posted on your progress and sorry for the rant :D
  • GioChrono
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    GioChrono polycounter lvl 10
    I just buy a cloth mouse mat and some sponge and cut a piece and lay it together. actually nothing complicated at all.
  • pior
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    pior grand marshal polycounter
    Get into the habit of not using the Gizmo, in order to not have to use any click-hold-drag.
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