Substance Painter Gradientmap?

leslievdb · Jun 2015

I was wondering if its possible to use gradientmaps inside of substance painter and if not if its something you guys would consider adding support for since designer does have gradientmap support.

i want to try a stylized workflow inside of painter and being able to apply gradientmaps that affect everything underneath it is pretty essential to the workflow.

also having a shelf for said gradients and maybe even just for colors would be great for consistency sake.

the gradient would be used ontop of a base like this (these steps could be a substance i think to create the gray base)

(example by Pior)

pior_bake_layering_zpsc73fcdb8.jpg~original

pior_bake_layering_zpsc73fcdb8.jpg~original

ceebee · Jun 2015

The way 3DCoat does gradients is pretty ideal too. You pick two positions in 3D space for foreground/background color on any part of the model and you fill it that way. Something like that for Painter would be pretty useful. We use gradients quite a bit.

Sometimes you want gradients going in very specific directions across the whole model or gradients going along an individual piece like an forearm armor or along an arm/leg, etc.

WarrenM · Jun 2015

++Upvote! Gradient support in 3D space would be really nice...

leslievdb · Jun 2015

the gradientmaps i`m talking about are more of the remapping the greyscalevalues below it to the gradient you pick.
like if you have a red to orange gradient your darks would be red and lights would be orange and every value inbetween would correspond to a value in between that gradient

but yeah 3d space gradients would also be a nice addition to you can do topdowns etch

Froyok · Jun 2015

Thanks for the suggestions guys, we will look into it.
Gradients are of course an essential feature.

WarrenM · Jun 2015

Ravenslayer wrote: »

the gradientmaps i`m talking about are more of the remapping the greyscalevalues below it to the gradient you pick.
like if you have a red to orange gradient your darks would be red and lights would be orange and every value inbetween would correspond to a value in between that gradient

but yeah 3d space gradients would also be a nice addition to you can do topdowns etch

Ahh right. Well, yeah, both would be useful.

arvinmoses · Jun 2015

OP I was wondering if you knew the algorithm for the edge detection method there. Looking at the crosspost I'm guessing it's using the EMB method in xnormal, but I'm not sure exactly how that works.

It looks like a really thick curvature map which I think would be really useful for getting a good hand painted methods.

And yes - Fabrice gradient maps in Painter would be awesome! The light node or maybe even a point light bake would be incredibly useful for this as well imo.

leslievdb · Jun 2015

thanks Froyok

arvinmoses: the thickness is mostly because of the great sculpt pior did , its basically just a cavity/curvature map

arvinmoses · Jun 2015

@Ravenslayer Thanks much man. That makes a lot of sense!

Gravedrinker · Mar 2016

This is by now almost a year old but I'd like to bring it back up. This would be great to have for several techniques. In fact I found this thread when googling if Painter already has this feature.

Froyok said:

Thanks for the suggestions guys, we will look into it.
Gradients are of course an essential feature.

Considering this reply from Froyok, I hope that now that Substaince Painter 2 is out this can be implemented.

Devon M · Aug 2016

Bumping this because I've been searching all over Google for this and this thread exists. Really wish we had gradient support

Please!

Jerc · Aug 2016

There is a gradient effect in Painter now, allowing you to colorize any greyscale map easily, so Ravenslayer's initial workflow request should be working.

anMori · Oct 2016

Jerc said:

There is a gradient effect in Painter now, allowing you to colorize any greyscale map easily, so Ravenslayer's initial workflow request should be working.

Big thanks for adding it to painter! Unfortunatly, blending only between 2 colours is extremly limiting. In our studio, we rely heavily on stylized work and try more and more to do as much as possible in painter but the missing gradient tool is still forcing us to go back to photoshop.

Gradients in photoshop example:

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5021068/uploads/editor/z5/fhudpcg2z8si.png

Is there a plan to further improve the gradient effect in painter supporting a full gradient with multiple colours within the value range?

Chimp · Oct 2016

+1 for a gradient shelf or some sort of preset system i can save to. It's a pain to re-input my colours etc. I've been half tempted to my own variants on gradient map and uniform colour that have what I want set up in advance.

Pabs · Jan 2017

bumping this. we need more that 2 colors for the gradient filter

leslievdb · Jul 2017

bumping this again, if we could get anything simular to the photoshop anmori references it would be great unfortunately the 2 color gradient doesnt add much benefit since you cant do a proper colortransition with them .

leslievdb · Oct 2017

seems like you guys added it ! https://www.allegorithmic.com/blog/new-substance-painter-autosave-gltf-and-felix-exports?utm_source=Allegorithmic+Newsletter&utm_campaign=6e207f25cf-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2e69063d82-6e207f25cf-330132977&mc_cid=6e207f25cf&mc_eid=c0c37d72e4

thanks

Froyok · Oct 2017

Yes, we have a dynamic gradient filter now !

Scroll down a bit on this page for more details : https://support.allegorithmic.com/documentation/display/SPDOC/Version+2017.3

leslievdb · Dec 2022

necrobump

have there been any discussions on implementing the same gradient editor as both photoshop and substance designer have or is there some technical limitation on why its not possible?

the current implementation is very unintuitive compared to just clicking and adding points/colors on the gradient

gnoop · Dec 2022

It non-stop amazes me how monstrously inconvenient all that software from former Algorithmic are after so many years.

Noise gradient from Photoshop for example. You even don't have to choose colors . Just need to set ranges in HSB and click randomize several times . Allows to set very subtle complimentary colors variations in a kind of harmony way easy and simple. Than save in a quick access library.

I am literally gasping for air out of inconvenience in everything while working in Substance Painter.

20 something years ago we did textures having a special white clay , ink , dry pigments on special frames , splashes of coffee and my favorite a dirty piece of rug smeared with oil paint :) .

I recall I did a height map by sinking a tablet with white clay messed on it into diluted black ink. It was most realistic textures I ever did.

Sometimes i think I need to go back to that approach. Tabula rasa of a sort. :)

Substance Painter Gradientmap?

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