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[Riot Art Contest] - Franken Annie

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  • ArtLearner
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    The bake still looks a bit noisy,
    I would suggest maybe ad some more geo,
    And good luck on the hand painting part :D:):thumbup:
  • DiegoTeran
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    ArtLearner wrote: »
    The bake still looks a bit noisy,
    I would suggest maybe ad some more geo,
    And good luck on the hand painting part :D:):thumbup:

    yeah was thinking about doing that as well :) taking a break from tibbers for now. Finished Annie.

    Annie high poly done.

    AnnieFinal.jpg
  • DiegoTeran
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    done with franken teddy :) did my own little version of him.

    TeddyDone.JPG
  • DiegoTeran
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    taking a break from texturing.

    started on Annies retopo.

    Annie_low.JPG
  • slosh
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    Looks like you're making good progress! I think Annie's ear is way too flat to her head though...
  • DiegoTeran
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    slosh wrote: »
    Looks like you're making good progress! I think Annie's ear is way too flat to her head though...

    She has hair behind and a little over her ear towards the front. didnt get any space in there for any extra needed topology :) Ill bake it tomorrow and see how it looks and adjust if needed.

    also thanx for the comment :)
  • Ro-Bo
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    Awesome :D love the idea and the result so far!
  • devingeesr
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    This is looking great man like the switch.
  • DiegoTeran
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    thanx guys! got some great feed back from some fellow artists here and i made some changes to annie.

    Im making her a bit more child like. i think she was looking too old and more of an adult then a little girl.

    so here is the new annie. :)

    UpdateAnnie.JPG

    just made proportion changes and worked on shaping her a little better.

    PS: have to restart the retopo -_-
  • slosh
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    She looks better man!
  • DiegoTeran
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    thanx!!!

    So started the retop again since i made those changes to Annie. here is what got so far.

    She is sitting at 3.000k Polys without the backpack.

    Annie_Low2.JPG

    Edit: Just noticed i forgot her bows....
  • DiegoTeran
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    Annie retopo done.

    Annie_Low3.JPG

    Unwrapping tomorrow then to the bakery!
  • EtotheRic
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    I wouldn't use colors sampled from a realistic palette rather use it as a starting point to bring your piece into the League art style inspired by classic reference.
  • DiegoTeran
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    EtotheRic wrote: »
    I wouldn't use colors sampled from a realistic palette rather use it as a starting point to bring your piece into the League art style inspired by classic reference.


    For sure (: I just really liked the classic green but you make a good point. If you look at my robbers I still sampled more from the in game model than that chart. (: ty good point
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    Finished the Bake for Annie, sorta... still working on the bake, having issues where i have small teddy in the same UV space but the bake itself seems to be overlapping somehow, not sure what the issue is but im working on it.

    Annie_Low4.JPG

    here is the issue im having with teddy which is in the same UV space.

    Teddy_low.JPG

    the circled uvs is the teddy.

    ideas anyone?

    AnnieUVs.jpg
  • slosh
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    Do you have annie's highres turned on while ur trying to bake mini tibbers? It looks like something is penetrating tibbers as you bake him...
  • DiegoTeran
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    what i have is: 1 Max file with both Annie and Teddy as 1 mesh.

    My low poly is also the same: Same 1 max file with both Annie and Teddy, and they are both in my same UV space. My teddy UVS are not overlapping annie and i have both meshes low and high selected correctly when baking.
  • slosh
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    Are you sure your low poly teddy is in the same spot as the highpoly teddy when you bake?
  • DiegoTeran
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    yep. i just re-unwrapped teddy and rebaked and got this....

    Teddy_low2.JPG

    lol half is baking now and half is not. i dont have symmetry on this, so no reason why this should be this way.
  • slosh
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    yea sorry i can't help ya. my only suggestion would be to try something else to bake like xnormal...
  • DiegoTeran
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    slosh wrote: »
    yea sorry i can't help ya. my only suggestion would be to try something else to bake like xnormal...

    thats what im baking in, also tried max but im having the same issue. Ill figure it out :)
  • slosh
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    Ok, last word of advice. Import each mesh into 3dsmax one at a time. Make sure your highpoly and lowpolies are correct. A lot of times, I think my highpoly is correct and then i get weird baking errors. So i import them back into maya and usually, i've exported something incorrectly.
  • kmactastic
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    I would do what slosh said and make sure you are baking teddy by himself. It looks like its grabbing annie and baking that onto him. Really like what you have so far (:
  • EtotheRic
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    Sorry to see you are having so much trouble baking things out. It may be your scale is very small so the min/max values set in xnormal are too large. You can check this in the 3D viewer in xnormal as well and see if your cage is extending too far out.
  • DiegoTeran
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    Thanx for all the help and advice. it wasnt any of those sadly.... look like an issue with my program. had to redo a few things, spent a few more hours working on it but i got it to work :)

    So Annie is almost ready for some base colors.

    Annie_Low5.JPG

    and finally Teddy... omg this dude and the issues its been giving me lol anyways managed to fix the bake and this is where its sitting so far.

    TeddyBase.JPG

    still a lot to do :)
  • DiegoTeran
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    testing things

    testShot.jpg
  • katzeimsack
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  • DiegoTeran
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    Like it :)

    ty :) 1st time with all this so im trying lol

    Starting to law down some colors for Annie. really just trying to find my way. critiques would be nice! (havent done anything with the dress, arms, bandages, or shoes)

    AnnieBaseColors.JPG
  • DiegoTeran
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    playing some more with the characters. added my light map to Tibbers and Annie.

    Still working on the textures for both and about to start on little teddy as well.

    CompShot.jpg
  • Kazefield
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    I love tibbers :D And the face he's making on the unwrap is incredible XD
  • TomGT
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    Sweet textures! The model is looking very clean too.

    I'd be tempted to tweak Tibber's color a bit so that he stands out more from Summoner's Rift (not sure about the new map), maybe have it turn to a different hue at certain spots. At the moment it looks like it might camouflage with the trees/bushes.
  • D_Wall
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    i like it so far but the face could use some more love. She feels very flat (which i suppose children's faces are alittle flatter but it just doesn't look appealing right now). Alittle more color variation throughout might really help. Good luck it's looking good so far! :D
  • DiegoTeran
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    thanx guys yeah having some trouble with the color and just color tones in general. havent really " hand painted" before. been looking at other posts that get some paint overs so im trying to pull some knowledge from there.
  • slosh
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    Just take it slow. I posted a progress of my texture in my thread if you want to see how I did mine...though I'm not a great hand painter by any means. For skin, just paint subtly cuz if you paint too heavy, it gets ugly fast...at least in my case. good luck!
  • DiegoTeran
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    Thanx guys my last message got deleted and dont feel like typing again lol but THANX EVERYONE!

    UPDATE.

    UpdateAnnie2.jpg
  • slosh
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    I think you're definitely heading in the right direction. Her face is too blown out right now...bring the levels down. And one thing is to make sure you are either painting out the AO with color or multiplying your AO as a color. I actually like to use gradient maps to convert all my AO to colors before I paint over it. You can see in the shadows on the neck that its very grey, muddy, and desaturated. i would paint over that with nice skintone reds. You can do the same to the dress too in the creases of the folds. Hair looks good! Maybe paint in some more secondary colors and add gradients.
  • DiegoTeran
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    thanx again man. :) been working some more on the texturing but wanted to get started to put together some ideas for some poses for the presentation. which one do you guys like?

    these are WIP of course.

    Option A.

    OptionA.jpg

    Option B

    OptionB.jpg

    Option C (gangnam style)

    OptionC.jpg


    * Thanx to brad for the help and tips and tricks with some rigging and posing :)
  • Goldo_O
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    Definitely not C :-/
    B would work if their backs were touching but with the height difference and Annie's hairdo preventing close contact, I guess I would go for A. The problem with this one though is that the perspective is messing up their scale ratio. You would have to put something on your ground to emphasize the distance between them. Or reduce the distance between the two to have Tibber bigger or Annie smaller.
  • DiegoTeran
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    yeah good point. What i need to do is movie Annie to the front of tibbers, that will give more of a height reference and will also make her hair not be hidden. :)

    i think mostly im going for A or B. C was just playing around lol
  • Goldo_O
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    Goldo_O greentooth
    And for the polycount logo, you should probably use the official one, this one has an alpha channel:
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wf2CKiSFqhw/Tan61zzYCvI/AAAAAAAAEME/50dC1xdHe4s/s1600/logo_polycount.png

    Good luck Diego, one last week!
  • DiegoTeran
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    thanx for that :) im swapping the logo for the new shots. I think i might just go for "A", you can see more of a complete character that way.
  • haZe
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    Agreeing with Goldo_O on poses, but these are fun!

    Did you bake your lights with hard shadows? For a moment I thought you were using a light rig when I realized those hard shadows appear baked into your texture on Tibbers. You may need to soften that up so that the lighting feels more diffused, as it is also making Tibbers appear very dark. If you can, I'd recommend clamping your shadows a bit and coloring your ao/light maps slightly [yellow highlights, blue/violet shadows] to get a nice warm/cool contrast and make them pop. Good luck!
  • DiegoTeran
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    haZe wrote: »
    Agreeing with Goldo_O on poses, but these are fun!

    Did you bake your lights with hard shadows? For a moment I thought you were using a light rig when I realized those hard shadows appear baked into your texture on Tibbers. You may need to soften that up or possibly re-render so that the lighting feels more diffused, as it is also making Tibbers appear very dark. If you can, I'd recommend clamping your shadows a bit and coloring your ao/light maps slightly [yellow highlights, blue/violet shadows] to get a nice warm/cool contrast and make them pop. Good luck!

    thanx for that and yes, I already went back in to soften that shadow bake on tibbers and made him a bit brighter. i actually redid most of tibbers after i posted this last night. next shot should be much better :)
  • DiegoTeran
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    Im thinking something like this. still working redoing tibbers textures. sadly its delaying a lot of things but I think it wll look better in the end.

    Pose_Wires.jpg
  • Oniram
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    annie is looking great. there are a few things that stick out to me about tibbers:
    -his stitches on his head look like they're glowing, or at least they dont match from his hands (which also have 2 different colors).
    -his fur is looking a bit too plain considering its all one color,. you may want to do some slight hue shifts or maybe even just color the ao/lightmap so it softens up those darker recessed areas.
    -youve got a few artifacts from your lightmap/normal map (bolts on his head, weirdness going on with his claws).
    -since his pants are a bit dark, maybe make them a little bight of a lighter color. maybe even a blue? instead of just grey. annie really pops when in front of him, from head to toe. whereas your gradient on tibbers seems to be way too dark.
    -his teeth/tongue kind of feel like they were painted on after the fact. very bright solid colors. they should have some shadowing from being inside the mouth.
    -the shadow being cast from his arm should be extremely softened or gotten rid of entirely. i think its contributing heavily to him being too dark.

    for the teddy:
    -make him hang. he's defying gravity :P
    -thats a pretty nasty light seam running down his side, id say either paint it or rebake that.

    as for your presentation, id honestly say make your text and logos smaller, and reduce the amount of grunge in the background. you want all of the focus for this to be on the main subject, not whats going on around it. id save wires for their own sheet entirely. put these guys against a nice color/gradient background with a low opacity grunge, some vignette, and keep your text minimal and out of the way. use these as an example

    https://pp.vk.me/c624421/v624421531/dc69/UL-8_01mo50.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/HhWH1sC.png

    gl. its comin out great so far. just keep pushing.
  • Goldo_O
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    For the polycount logo, remove the two squares on the right, they were color swatches for Dominance war! :-P
  • DiegoTeran
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    thanx for the great feedback. Im running out of time and im working on a freelance that i have to turn in this week as well.... so Im trying to fix as much as possible :)

    so kinda juggling fixing the textures and at the same time coming up with a good presentation.

    this is what i got so far.

    ***** its really hard to fit all 3 front and back because tibbers is so huge... so im working on a solution but any ideas would be great.

    I did fix some of the issues Oniram and Goldo mentioned. still a few to fix.

    what i go so far. (in game shot will be done last)

    Pose_High.jpg

    Pose_A.jpg

    Pose_Wires.jpg
  • slosh
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    I actually asked if we can do separate sheets for annie and tibbers and they said it was fine. I'm not sure how the submission process works so hopefully we can still turn in our sheets even though we will have twice as many.
  • DiegoTeran
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    slosh wrote: »
    I actually asked if we can do separate sheets for annie and tibbers and they said it was fine. I'm not sure how the submission process works so hopefully we can still turn in our sheets even though we will have twice as many.

    yeah that kinda worries me. i dont want my submission to be like 10 sheets :/ how are you going to turn this in? Im thinking for now ill just keep it as is to save the judges going through so many shots.

    on a side note: Im working on some highpoly renders and still cleaning up tibbers textures.

    this one might be a bit to dark - going to play with the lighting

    Highpoly.jpg
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