Christian Bale Character -- Constructive Criticism
polycounter lvl 6
Hey guys I'm new to Polycount. If you guy could tell me any anatomy mistakes or anything I should add to make this sculpt look better that would be great.
Program: Zbrush
It's supposed to be Christian Bale
Program: Zbrush
It's supposed to be Christian Bale
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For the arms look at the size of his hands, the volumes at the wrist and elbow transitions, and try rotating the hands to a more natural angle.
The nose feels really narrow and pointy.
Some other areas that could use some work: the wrinkles could be toned down a notch, and the edges on the fabric could be sharpened up a bit. Maybe make the shirt to pant transition a bit more well defined?
Keep it up!
1. Based on this image I see that his chin is round your 3d model has a squarish chin.
2. his nose in the reference appears to have a strong bridge (could be the lighting) your nose perfectly straight.
3. He looks like he's pouting, try relaxing the corners of the mouth, as always make a backup before making changes and testing what works and what doesn't. Just a heads up.
Best of luck and keep going.
Work on the arm's anatomy and give the wrists some mass, they are too thin.
Bale is a tricky one because he tends to change his bodyweight and musculature considerably for different roles which will mean that photo references on Google won't necessarily match very well. I think that might be what's causing problems with the face at the moment. I think the front is not too far off, but it needs some work from the side.
This shot here gives a pretty good sense of the shape of his face in profile.
1- Find Fold reference, it's important to try looking at what the real does and not what you think it should do. At least for the first tries.
2- It's very blobby and inconsistent, you could try using more the clay brush to help you out.
3 - Look into some tutorials on how to do folding.
Fold get created for a reason and on yours its just going everywhere without real reason ( tension or gravity etc)
It give the impression that the shirt has nothing under it because its pushing inside too much in certain area too. Do you have a full body under your shirt to prevent that?
Other then that nice job, tho there is a little something bugging me about that mouth
PLZ and THANKYOU
Keep up the work, you can see the progress through the pictures.
http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76733
try to find some more pics of him with heavy shadows then try to match your sculpt to the planes on his face. The shadows will tell you where the planes are on his face...
One thing that is sticking out at the moment is the jaw line and the jaw mass,at the moment it seems to go beyond the ear and kind of wobbly.
It is a pain trying to reference him as he never seems to stay the same size lol
good luck!
quick search:
http://www.bestindress.com/5719-24915-thickbox/shirt-man-r6c16ls-1s.jpg
http://www.designerjeansonsale.net/upfile/2011120114345820058.jpg
as far as the face goes, its getting closer to looking normal, but i feel like maybe you missed some of the "christian bale"-ness to it. id recommend looking at charicatures, as usually you want to exaggurate some of the iconic features a tad in order for it to read as being bale
i think you can get a lot fromm the expression in the eyebrows - closer together, with those wrinkles in the forehead, and with the shape of the upper lip - definitely giving it some more plumpness on the arches.
from profile also, his jawline looks a bit off - most of the recognition of a particular person comes from the shape of the head, the silhouette - nail that, and the rest of the features should fall in to place easily.
What should I do?
http://onesixthrepublic.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-09-04T20:15:00-07:00&max-results=7&start=1&by-date=false
You are doing a great job with this but I think you are moving too quickly with this. I would recommend that you keep evaluating this yourself over and over again before you re-post progress. The changes you have made have certainly made him look better, but you need to get more aggressive with fixing things and experiment on your own before asking for feedback. Just my 2 cents keep up the good work.
The body needs to those natural curves that it does to balance itself out when the body is standing. Especially on the legs, you would see some curvature on the calf there. And the wrinkling is overdone and somewhat doesn't make sense. The arms seems to curve outward at the front view, making the deltoid mass smaller than it should. You also need to define some sterno-mastoid mass as well, subtly.
I'd say get this on a lower sub-d and work it over more. You need to get a good feel of the larger forms before getting into detail. Look at more references, and get a good feel of the masses that the refs have and what your model is lacking. Good luck.
So cheeks I think he needs them. It's really interesting to see how sometimes his cheeks seem to disappear. Personally I think you should split the difference like this picture. right now as is you nailed the cheek bone but there is no mass for the cheek muscles? The chin is really bugging me, I'm pretty sure however you made the highpoly I would use a different brush for that area or something. Lower lip should be just a bit bigger Z axis. I did a paint over I hope you don't mind.
the more I worked on the paintover the more I relized how close you are to nailing it. I also had the advantage of painting what I thought looked right it prolly would never render this way. Also tone down them forhead wrinkles makes him look older than he is.
The elbow and back of the knee region is noisy in general and the folds are too lumpy and inconsistent. you want contrast when it comes to detail. look at this for example from uncharted 3.
the wrinkling is not overboard and its only on places where there would be movement. also wrinkles and fold are usually straight, diagonals even, i see a lot of circular or swirling wrinkles. try to make them more triangular than sweeping lines that curve. check this thread out for refs
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?104272-Uncharted-2-Character-Artwork
also study the different types of folds depicted in art such as half-locks, inert folds, diaper folds, pipe folds, etc.
look at the negative shapes that are found in the folds. good luck
Looking good!, was looking at the pictures at the start and was thinking 'his lips are sticking out too much' but it seems you have fixed it
work on your basic anatomy first. work on primary forms. study bridgeman's anatomy book.
its available online for free here:
http://archive.org/details/constructiveanat00briduoft
right now you are at a stage where it is not appropriate or not really constructive to provide specific feedback regarding anatomy or any part of the model. it would just be telling you what to do as opposed to knowing why you are doing it.
you need to get the basics right and that requires study. study the skeleton, study the major muscle groups and then slowly start sculpting facial details, clothing etc.
you can even look at 3d scan websites which are good reference for real anatomy.
also note that you are attempting a likeness of a real person. this requires high level of anatomy knowledge(specially facial anatomy). merely copying reference does not work. you need work on realistic anatomy and copy reference at the same time. right now you are just trying to copy without knowing why.
Wow MM now that's what I call CONSTRUCTIVE Criticism. I wish I came to you before I even posted Christian Bale. I will try reading some books or something. Do you have a portfolio I could look at? I was going through your threads and none of your images load up for me even on different web browsers and the comments on your work seem to be pleasing. I would just like to see some work on who I am taking advice from. You also have a thread of you trying to sell books so I guess you studied your stuff.
I will definitely take advice from you and if there is any good books you would like to recommend me please tell. Thanks a lot
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Oh and your elbows could use a lil'lovin.
But the jpg compression made your writing kinda hard to read
I'd reupload it as a png or something, if you still have the file.