This is so sad... flu shot reaction
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Heart breaking really. 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM[/ame]
This brings me to my rant. I get a bit tired of people calling out others as "crazy conspiracy theorists" when it comes to not wanting to take flu shots. I'm positive the mercury in this stuff that goes directly into the blood stream is much worse then the same mercury in your food like fish or corn syrup because of how your digestive system can break it down.
While this Distonia condition may be rare, I work with someone whose kid has autism who strongly believes the shot given at 18 months old gave them that condition. Who am I to argue with someone who has researched this stuff? I believe there is a federal law (pushed by lobbyists) that protects big pharma from lawsuits against them for vaccines. It is strange that what used to be 1 in 10,000 is now said to be 1 in 96 or something... Alzheimer's runs pretty high in my family. I think I'll do everything I can to not provoke such a thing and avoid this stuff...never needed these shots before.
For those that trust in these shots and their nanny-state FDA to comfort them, it should be known that the majority of the people that work at the FDA are also former lobbyists for many big pharma companies.
It's all about making a buck. Because drastically changing how this stuff is administered (single dose versus multi dose vials) would probably effect the drug companies bottom line too much.
Anywho, end rant... Just a sad sad video up there. :thumbdown:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM[/ame]This brings me to my rant. I get a bit tired of people calling out others as "crazy conspiracy theorists" when it comes to not wanting to take flu shots. I'm positive the mercury in this stuff that goes directly into the blood stream is much worse then the same mercury in your food like fish or corn syrup because of how your digestive system can break it down.
While this Distonia condition may be rare, I work with someone whose kid has autism who strongly believes the shot given at 18 months old gave them that condition. Who am I to argue with someone who has researched this stuff? I believe there is a federal law (pushed by lobbyists) that protects big pharma from lawsuits against them for vaccines. It is strange that what used to be 1 in 10,000 is now said to be 1 in 96 or something... Alzheimer's runs pretty high in my family. I think I'll do everything I can to not provoke such a thing and avoid this stuff...never needed these shots before.
For those that trust in these shots and their nanny-state FDA to comfort them, it should be known that the majority of the people that work at the FDA are also former lobbyists for many big pharma companies.
It's all about making a buck. Because drastically changing how this stuff is administered (single dose versus multi dose vials) would probably effect the drug companies bottom line too much.
Anywho, end rant... Just a sad sad video up there. :thumbdown:
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Is it worse than dieing from the flu? Also the flu shot goes into your shoulder muscle not the bloodstream. Very unfortunate if true though, but still. 1 in a million come on. There's so many accidents that may have a 1/1000000 chance of happening, I think the fear mongering and distrust of doctors is worse.
what about the day today?
ummm, the capillaries carrying oxygenated blood to the muscle fibers make their way into the bloodstream.
On the topic of dying from the flu. A lot of people get a different strain of flu in the same year that the flu shots forgot to protect against. And these people make it out alive just fine. Tamiflu or anti-biotics have always cured up the nastiest of infections I've known people to have.
im sorry but im calling BS.
Like I said, you said "directly" and that's not directly. Other than that, in my opinion antibiotic resistant strains are much worse than anything else, so if there's something we should use less it's anti-biotics.
But imo the thing is, that people rather take the 1/1000000 chance of getting that weird thing this girl's got than go through all the sneezing and staying in bed etc. Don't ask me why, I always liked being sick and tended to. Not with H1N1, obivously, but still.
Hey, i don't get flu shots (i'm young and very healthy, not going to waste my time, money, or health avoiding a disease which isnt going to harm me) but your stance on the subject is weird.
A bizarre negative reaction in one case out of the millions and millions who've gotten the flu shot does not prove they're injecting you with soylent green or the hell ever you think is going on.
And i'm pretty sure you're wrong, but i'm no dietitian.
If not true then I guess the doctors who diagnosed her would have to be in on the scam to try and sue for money? I'd think it is pretty difficult to fake something like this in front of those with Ph.D's
edit: t4pan. I'm only aware of anti-biotics temporarily weakening the immune system. Has your research led to something else?
edit2: aww adam...jeez.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4gj5_PFbVo#t=0m16s
You know I haven't done any more research on the subject than you have, but I appreciate the sarcasm. What I'm saying is though, that bacteria and viruses, even moreso than other biological entities adapt to be more fit to survive.
What happens is, that everytime you use anti-biotic "a" to treat, let's say staph infections, that staph, which is never completely eliminated and some of it may recide on the surface of the hospital bed to be transfered to some other patient etc, adapts so it can resist antibiotic "a". And this is called a strain of the staph virus resistant to antibiotic "a" or whatever.
Watch House, he explains it better I think XD
House is good...
jbrophy,
I'll try to dig something up later. There are some great docs out there on the subject. I'd think people with kids would be all over this trying to research these things themselves?
The one thing you'll discover is that courts have thrown all of the links out. I tend to side with the thinking that judges are paid off. Such a ruling in favor of those with autism because of injections would cost drug companies umpteen billions upon billions.
Now I'm a strong believer in the 2nd amendment but didn't we discover something similar in that bowling for columbine movie? Gun manufacturers paying off the courts?
I don't think it is entirely irrational to think they do everything in their power to keep secrets at bay if it saves their own hide an assload of money. After all there are people out there who will kill others for a measly $200 and the reebok pumps on their feet.
And by the way. I'd hit it! LOL
Yeah I said it.
Dude chill out ... people with polio have an easier time walking with their legs crossed than regular walking. IT MUST BE FAKE!!
Who knows if she has it or not ... but calling stuff bs like that ... its a bit tiresome.
Crazy world huh.
It's a neurological problem. Running probably uses a different part of her brain than walking does. Same with walking backwards.
Pretty girl too.
you'd have to do it backwards though!
seriously though, we know only little on how the brain works, and how it is wired, its a complex thing, its not an impossible thing to have that effect.
and,
if she really was faking that, would it really be worth acting out as a braindamaged person for the rest of your life?
I believe something happened to her, and I believe the flushot had little to do with it.
are you kidding? shes just fine walking backwards. im assuming doing other things backwards works just fine too.
I've heard about some bad reactions to the H1N1 vaccine as well, I might've gotten the Swine Flu this last may after hosting a Cinco de Mayo party. After the party supposedly one person had a confirmed case of the Swine Flu, meanwhile about a dozen people got sick, myself included. But eh, I think I missed two days of work, didn't get it that bad, nor did anyone else, certainly no one died.
Especially when I see this kinda stuff.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BG9NOG0&show_article=1
Say Obama put his shoes on on Tuesday, and took a crap on Friday. Did he take a crap on Friday because he put his shoes on on Tuesday?
I totally agree. That's why I listen to medical professionals who tell me that vaccination is a good idea!
Anti-vaccination mania is weird and scary to watch. Diseases like polio, smallpox and scarlet fever didn't stop rampaging through the human sphere because they felt like it, coincidentally at exactly the same time that some pharmaceutical baron developed his scam to inject people with water. Vaccinations have made vast improvements in human suffering for millions of people, and accepting the rumor that it's all a vast lie is not to our benefit.
There is a lot of scientifically-unsupported fear being passed around about vaccinations causing terrible problems, but until those links are actually proven, they're about as relevant as the equally scientifically-unsupported fear that eating too many Pop-Tarts may turn you into an evil unicorn. You know, even in the bleakest, most sci-fi worst-case scenario where Jenny McCarthy was right where scientists were wrong, vaccinations will still have saved multitudes more lives than the few unfortunate families who have to deal with autism.
But you don't just get vaccinated only for yourself. As many people as possible get jabbed, and the disease doesn't have anywhere to go.
**pats Malekyth on the head**
good little socialist, believe the MSM kool-aid.
Alright I apologize that's rude...lol But that post was really funny. Jab as many people as possible because multi-billionaires say you should!
Maybe some vaccination has helped.
The most hilarious thing is how people think their own governments and pharma loves you and cares for you. You're no good to them dead but if you need treatments, you are a dollar sign. What better way to get people to develop money consuming ailments later in life then to jab em all early!
Government and large corporations look at you and I the same way a farmer looks at a cow. To say otherwise would make you a hypocrite if you've ever caught yourself saying "corporations are greedy" at some point in your life.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6531447125053615129#
If people want to be objective and read instead of rolling over and trusting the nanny state blindly I guess you can go here if you wish too...
http://drtenpenny.com/default.aspx
Or is it only doctors who are in favor of vaccination of all forms the only ones worth reading?
I'll race you guys there, that was brilliant. Pure evil but brilliant. XD
I think it's funny that he is tired of hearing "crazy conspiracy theorist" name-calling, then claims corrupt judges are being paid off by greedy pharmaceutical companies - which happens to be the exact definition of a conspiracy theory.
Also, notice that 2 minutes into that video it's edited to say SHOULD discourage flu shots instead of the original SHOULDN'T discourage flut shots. Uh, right.
Cows get treated quite nicely... especially dairy
It's hard to take seriously a plea to "be objective" from a post containing the phrases "good little socialist", "MSM kool-aid", and "nanny state". Hey, someone already pointed out the absurdity of warding against claims of conspiracy, while simultaneously insisting that our governments are out to get us ... right? Just checkin'.
Your informative doctor's link is from Sherri Tenpenny, who makes her living selling, among other things, professed alternatives to vaccines. By your own standards, that sounds a bit suspicious, doesn't it? Tenpenny's site hawks "Wellness Kits" instead of medicine, for $199 a pop. Each Wellness Kit contains ... um, vitamin supplements. Well, maybe the effectiveness of the Wellness Kit is in a Glyph of Banish Disease whose awesome healing power is released directly into the patient's lungs when he opens the box. They don't mention one of those on the packing list, but there must be something to explain the $199 price tag in a world where health food stores do not fill the same medical niche as, say, hospitals.
Tenpenny also helped found a company which pushes snake oil like homeopathy, acupuncture, miracle water and -- was she just the first hit you found on Google? -- fuckin' ACUSCOPE. Yes, we're talking vibraty, electro-magic tricorders here. The opinion of an Acuscope pusher deserves to be considered on the same level as that of the World Health Organization, the Center for Disease Control, the Mayo Clinic or virtually anyone else who paid attention in medical school? Dude. Come on.
btw, Tenpenny reposts the claim that pops up now and then, based on a Cochrane review that found flu vaccine cases were reduced in otherwise healthy adults by "merely" 6% (which at worst represents thousands of people). Cochrane's summary of its own review actually says that the vaccine was 80% effective when the strain of flu was correctly predicted, and 50% when it wasn't (as has infrequently been the case). The full text of the review is not online as far as I can tell, but when the summary reads as high as 80% and the Alex Jones set maintains 6%, and the failure rate of the vaccine is mostly down to human error (incorrectly predicting the strain, and healthy young bucks refusing to get vaccinated but then breathing on someone's unvaccinated grandmother), I suspect some serious cherry-picking of figures.
Nope, sorry, I don't look good in a tinfoil hat. I'm going to stick with the people who eradicated polio, and you can trust in your fish liver extract and colloidal silver. Don't worry, when we find out that the world is secretly run by werewolves, I'll remember that you told me so.
It was this final act that starved the brain of oxygen that ultimately lead to her condition.
There are so many big companies in that chain, she should be doing a happy dance, oh wait she is...
what was the Day Today, 1993 or 94 or something?
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You got the stuff about antibiotic-resistant bacteria almost correct, but still this is wrong. If you take your antibiotics according to the prescription all the bacteria die, and there is no problem. The problem is that after a week or so, a lot of people feel healthy again (a lot of the bacteria are dead) so they stop taking the antibiotics. So now we have killed off all the bacteria who can't stand antibiotics, and have left over the ones that can (up to a certain quantity) and they will be the only ones reproducing, leading to more antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
So if people where to take their antibiotics as they where meant to be taken there wouldn't be a problem.
But to get back on topic: I think what vig suggested is the most likely, her immune system was temporarily very low, and she got infected with something (virus/bacteria/something). I don't think it's a fake though, some crazy shit can happen to your body :P.
But I don't like taking flu shots when they aren't necessary. I want my body to build up it's own resistance against infection.
and damn adam, i feel guilty for even slightly smirking at that XD.
Just because someone questions the validity of injecting man made crap (that is known to break people even in small percentages), isn't stupid or tinfoil hattery, its common sense.
You should treat it like any other important medical decision. Take the safest healthiest approach if that looks to be going without the vaccine then hey guess whatcha do. If polio starts to make a resurgence then guess what you can probably get the vaccine then too...
But you don't blindly take whatever anyone is willing to stick you with just because a lot of other people do it. That mentality will have you eating spoonfuls of special pudding faster than anything.
As for the "1 in 1 trillion chance that some routine vaccines will jack you up so I'm not going to get it", you have a better chance of being jacked up in a car wreck, yet you still drive...
This girl has some kind of very specific neurological damage that happened to manifest a few weeks after she got a flu shot. We don't even really know if it was the shot that did anything to her, hell she might have had a stroke. Correlation is in no way causation, much like someone 'strongly believing' something doesn't mean they researched it.
If you have a need to believe in some crazy, dumbass conspiracy theory you go ahead, but for fuck's sake don't be surprised when those of us familiar with the concept of critical review and actual scientific inquiry reject your idiotic bullshit.
And this is all on top of the fact that Thimerosol, the mercury-based preservative you're so sure has been causing all kinds of horrible effects, has been removed from almost all vaccines for ten years now (except admittedly the inactive flu vaccine). Why aren't autism diagnoses down?
Oh right, diagnoses are up because of increased awareness of autism spectrum disorders, which also leads to earlier diagnoses for children, not vaccines. Silly me for forgetting the world is really that simple.
Frank the Avenger
And I am dead serious (HAH another pun)
If that were true, why do countries with government-funded health care systems like Canada and the UK bother vaccinating people?
In terms of the flu shot, who fucking cares? The flu shots don't even work half the time.
If you are super paranoid about vaccines, just space them out and make sure your doc uses the single dose versions (which contain less mercury).
Ironically, the people who are going to be hit the hardest if there is an outbreak of something caused by skipping vaccines are the people who skipped them, so it really has nothing do do with me.