Fps Pistol

Alex3d

Hey guys, been quite some time since I posted here. I've been busy with contract jobs and finally got permission to post this pistol while I was on commission for Ironbelly. Long story short, the original designer wasn't up to the task and couldn't complete the job properly, so I had to step in and redo everything completely. Still, the design credit goes to Vitali Ivanov (so don't grill me if design sucks, not my prob). The client was satisfied, but I'm always looking for an improvement. Critiques & suggestions are always welcome!

KartoonHead

Hi Alex, love the weapon. One thing I would say is that the scratched black metal texture is reading a bit like worn leather to my eyes. Particularly near the muzzle in that first picture. Another thing, which might just be down to the design, is the top of the grip, it just looks a little odd to me, like the texture doesn't fit the geometry. I understand that you're bound to someone else's design, but don't let that stop you suggesting improvements for the model, it's much better to be the guy who's always getting involved and throwing ideas around than the guy who just gets on with it.

Alex3d

Hey, thanks for reply Yeah you are right, normal map came in too strong with the scratches, I planned on re-doing that part anyway. As for the handle, I'm not sure what you mean :P You mean there is no grove where the seam between 2 parts is supposed to be? And for design part, actually no. I wasn't working directly with the client (i got outsourced) and I got the job pretty much 1 day before deadline...

nicafornica

There is too much scratches on the edges, cool design but tone it down on the white scratches.

OtrickP

Nice gat! I agree the edges look a little too scratcy. Sick design though, you concept it yourself?

Alex3d

Thanks guys, I'm already fixing the scratches Pat, read the intro I made, I rescued this gun from the brink of abysm :P

Computron

leather gun will kill you slowly with it's edges.

Alex3d

Haha you bet! But for now we'll have to stick to old fashioned pistol wiping :P
I've fixed up normals, touched up on normal map and made the handle part more believable. Made the texture more metally and a touch worn. I'll add some wear on it tmr. But for now Guten?

nightshade

Much better, i can see what it is now

Computron

I think the edges are too tight to show off the specular. And the metal is a little boring.

RexM

Big improvement on textures.

Now work on material definition. Check out a lot of pistols. Some are all black, all metal. Some have stainless steel slides or gun black slides and plastic trigger assembly housings, or even metal trigger assembly housings. Push the contrast. Add dots, lines, whatever you need to create a sight picture to the sights (look up 'sight picture' on google images).

What is the button above the trigger? Is that the safety, a takedown pin or button, or....?

Think about how this would fit in your hand. Think about how easy it is going to be to press buttons. If it looks like the button is harder to access than it is, things like that. For example, the button right behind the trigger is the common spot for releasing a magazine. It looks like it would be hard for someone with a bigger thumb to hit it when considering the size of the overall firearm.

Think about the purpose of everything, and then think of ways to make that purpose realistically plausible.

The slots on the back of the slide are there to grip the slide to pull it back. Might not get a good grip and slip with the slanted indents. These are just my thoughts and experiences with shooting / owning firearms, and also just general things I look for when I am purchasing the most usable, reliable, and user-friendly gun.

This ended up longer than I thought it would. I hope it helps. Even if you don't take my suggestions directly it should give you a lot to think about to also improve the look of your creations. A more usable firearm is simply a more attractive firearm, even when just considering looks.

Snader

The design of the pistol is very 2003. As in 'we designed it to be blocky to save polygons'.

KartoonHead

RexM wrote: »

What is the button above the trigger? Is that the safety, a takedown pin or button, or....?

This just set a spark off in my brain, and not about that button, but about the little lever-thing to the right of it. The purpose of this, as found on many handguns, is to hold the slide back when the magazine is empty. This does two things; indicates to the user that it's empty, and holds the chamber open ready for the next round so that when a fresh magazine is inserted there's no need to re-cock the weapon, you just pull the lever down, it releases the slide, and the chamber receives another round.

The reason I'm saying this is that there's nowhere on the slide for that lever to catch, so it wouldn't actually do anything

You can see how it would work here;

Might not be a big deal, but any gun-nuts checking this out might have beef about it lol.

Alex3d

First of all, Thank you guys for your design suggestions and knowledge you provided me with, it will greatly help me on my further gun projects!
As I said before, the design is not mine.

Long story short, the original designer wasn't up to the task and couldn't complete the job properly, so I had to step in and redo everything completely. Still, the design credit goes to Vitali Ivanov (so don't grill me if design sucks, not my prob).

I got the job with direct orders: "Do exact same thing, but better; No design changes".

The design of the pistol is very 2003. As in 'we designed it to be blocky to save polygons'.

Thank you for the design suggestion. Again, not my design and just putting this out there:

Does that not look blocky?

KartoonHead - Good spotting! I'm thinking the slide lock can also be internal

KartoonHead

I quite like the blockyness, myself. Very Deus Ex.

ES_139

Glocks arnt that blocky, there are a lot of large chamfers on Glocks i.e the frame and the slide which catch the light. The edges on this design are all hard, the only area that is an exception is the back of the grip. Thats possibly why people are saying they see quite a blocky model but as you say you couldn't change the design so id say you done a pretty good job, looks like a clean bake.

MrNinjutsu

I really like the improvement, think it would suit a not so far into the futuristic fps game. But i agree with Rex, maybe get some colour definition going on, although i really do like it as it is.

Alex3d

I was very inspired by Orb's shotgun and tried to achieve the same quality. I've tried playing with colour schemes, unfortunately I could not find one that works, and returned to the original one. If you could think of an awesome theme that would be great
Anyways, I boosted edge specs and added a bit of wear to the gun. No mess like before, just clear to the point.

Alex3d

Well if no one will object, I'm going to wrap it up and move on to other projects :P

Mistry10

looks nice man, good lighting

RexM

Hmm.. seems like the color of the brass is off? A lack of any engraving on the base of the rounds in the magazine is odd too.

Still needs dots or something for a sight picture..

Cases: http://www.reviewsofthings.com/images/fired_9mm_primers_in_cases.jpg

Ideas for sights: http://theshootingedge.com/store/images/product_images/2612.jpg

Alex3d

Hey Rex,

Yeah I thought of fiber optic iron sights, but did not wish to add an extra texture sample for something so minor :P

As for the bullets, yes they seem a bit light yellow (most likely due to lighting), however not all cases have serial stamps on them. That being said, its cool to have stamps on rounds, and I'll definitely add some on my next project! Good spotting!

Jessica Dinh

Oo, nice gun, nice and clean, pretty render too!

Alex3d

Thanks Jess

jeremiah_bigley

Not feeling the metal man. It is sitting somewhere between a polished concrete and metal. Bringing up the glossiness could help and maybe some more scratches and details in the spec map. Overall pretty nice. And you could tweak on projects forever. Sometimes it is just best to move on and apply the knowledge to a new project. Keep up the good work.