jramauri's 3d sculpting practice

JR

Hello folks. After the Brawl, I decided to study and practice 3d a bit more. So, I'm sharing my studies with you Polycounters. I hope I can master this some day.

This is a monster of rock I started some days ago.







And this is my attempt to do a stylized old guy.



Thanks for visiting!

Dan!

hey cool stuff- there is a clarity and smoothness in your 2d that I personally think you are lacking in your 3d(i dont want to pigeon hole you, however)- maybe resist the temptation to go too detailed and concentrate on the medium to large details. Keep up the good work!

JR

Thanks for the tip, Dan! I usually don't go too high on my sculpts, because I really don't care about pores and wrinkles. Generaly, I stay around 100k, 200k polys in an complete figure. But maybe it should interesting make more low poly meshes on Maya, to preserve the clean aspect of my drawings. I'm gonna try it.

dogzer

well, good thing you're only 'trying', those 3d models look just terrible... NOT! they look freaking amazing, dude! But I'm not surprised on the very least because people who are good 2D artists usually do really well at 3D. Anyway congrats! Hope to see more!

*saves screenshots to concept art folder (for inspiration)*

Allan-p

Brothers in arms! Kick ass sculpts man! I have yet to extensively tamper with sculpting, but you're kicking butt at it!

I'm finding my anatomy knowledge even more useful know when I do 3d as it really works you at it. Keep it up mate!

JR

Thanks dogzer and Allan-p!

Before I get back to the previous models, here's my 3d version of Sailor Moon concept by Dirk Erik Schulz, AKA Themrock. This guy is a monster at drawing.

http://cghub.com/images/view/63635/


It's not finished yet.

PHArt

Awesome sculpt. Would love to see that one get ingame.

JR

Thanks PHArt!

Some more work on the old guy.

daphz

that sailor moon thing is great, really wacky and true to the concept. I like that old guy too, nice stylization

JR

Thank you, daphz. In fact, this guy is a caricature of Costinha. He was a very famous humorist here in Brazil. Died some years ago.

Andreas

Widen up his face some, especially his nose, his face is perfect for caricaturing (it's already caricatured :P)

JR

Thank you for the tip Andreas.

Not much time to practice this week. Anyway, there's a head.

JR

Too bad to receive comments? Or too regular that doesn't deserve crits or some love?

PHArt

Since it's very stylized it's hard to comment on and give a critique.

The guy reminds me of Rick Astley.

JR

Thanks PHArt. But in fact, I think it receives no comments because it's really bad... I can see it now.

Well, I've watched the trailer of new Conan's movie, and I felt not happy. That guy is NOT Conan! So, I decide to make my own rendition of him, to make him more justice

I want to push my strenghts and really learn with this one, so if you guys could give tips or comments, I'd be grateful.

JR

The idea, of course, is to make a caricature of the REAL Conan on the movies, Mr. Schwarzenegger. The funnier, the better. Problably I'll not make an animatable model, just studying modeling, texturing, lighting and rendering in Zbrush.

Mark Dygert

Hahaha thats great, nice work. You nailed the jaw and the neck along with most of the face, that's instantly recognizable.

Crits:
It might help to emphasize the tightness of the headband by puffing out the hair/head above and below it?
If you're going to animate it (sounds like you won't?), the teeth could be problematic, but not impossible (Kyle from Fanboi and Chum Chum makes it work), you could end up having to shrink the teeth when you close the lips otherwise its going to be pretty hard to make some of the needed mouth shapes. Typically when you do facial animation you want to start from a blank expressionless pose and animate the expressions in, instead of trying to fight one expression constantly.

As a sculpt its awesome!

Dan!

Jramauri- your knockin this stuff out!- I think you definitely have a knack for caricature which will be very cool to see as your skill matures.

JR

Mark: Thanks for the tips and comments, Mark. This Conan project I really don't have intention to animate. My intention is to make a 3d illustration and study modeling,texturing, lighting and rendering inside Zbrush. Anyway, for some next project envolving animation, your tips will be very useful

Dan: Thank you very much for your kind words. I'm trying to follow your advice and not detailing things too much. I believe this really fits much better with my drawing style.

MainManiac

You definitely know what you're doing, great work!

JR

Thanks frell!

Unfortunatelly, I'm having little free time to work on this project
But here's an up. Conan now is made of one single piece, what makes him easier to sculpt. I'm feeling that by now he's looking like a plastic toy. How can I make him more believable looking? I mean how can I make him looking more like a live creature?

Rhoutermans

He got those muscles as a slave and due to fighting, he looks a bit clean I think, like he just walked to the gym 5 days a week.

awesome style tho

JR

Thanks Rhoutermans. I'm using as reference Arnold pictures, and you know... he used to go to the gym 6 days a week at this time. My intention was to give Conan exactly this superstar look. The real Conan will never carry a silly grin on the face like mine. But I'll try to make him look more tough.

Here's a test I did, to learn a bit more about rendering. Sketch was done in Paintstop, modeling and rendering in Zbrush. No BPR, just best renderer, in Zbrush 3.1.

JR

JR

Not a real update, but a more careful render test. Zbrush and Photoshop for comp.

Cooljay

This is nice to see, love seeing stylized characters.

JR

Almost there.

JR

Can you guys give me some tips on how to make this render looks more realistic? I'm using passes.

Psyk0

That stylized Conan is great!

Some anatomy fix suggestions:

-The front part of the deltoid is not inserting correctly under the deltoid, this also throws off how the pecs insert.
-The lower back anatomy needs revision (latissimus dorsi).
-Fix how the tricep inserts under the rear of the deltoid, (hint: currently it doesnt!).
-Maybe shape the bicep more like a cylinder cut in half instead of balloon shaped (personal choice i guess...). There's a muscle between the biceps and triceps (brachialis) giving the impression the bicep is like a balloon when seen from the front.

check out Big guns' Arnie for some pointers:

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=40365

Sorry can't help much with realistic renders =/

JR

Thank you, PsykO. I tried to fix the points you said. And now I think I finished this project. Modeled and rendered in Zbrush 3.1, using best renderer. Passes composed in Photoshop. Hair and fur retouched in PS too. I learned a lot with this one. Hope you guys like it.





Raw render:

JR

Uh... I noticed that altough technically the last works are better, I receive almost none comments. What's the matter, the subject? The style? =/

TNO

try to make something controversial the simple solution therfore is to make naked females.
then more people here will write stuff...
(but to be honest some people on polycount are so afraid of naked figures and will write hatefull comments that I wonder why they are working in the art field in general)


the fur could need some more work it looks at the moment like a simple overpaint.

the anatomy is well described,I expecially dig the details on the hand.

Andreas

TNO wrote: »

try to make something controversial the simple solution therfore is to make naked females.
then more people here will write stuff...

Worst advice ever

TNO wrote: »

(but to be honest some people on polycount are so afraid of naked figures and will write hatefull comments that I wonder why they are working in the art field in general)

Are you smoking crack?

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Personally I'm not a huge fan of caricatures, but it is technically a very well done asset Looking forward to seeing what your next project will be!

TNO

Nope I´m not smoking crack the three dots should be self explantory in this context of a simple solution.

I think it is always good to be able to build the different genders.
not only different gender there are also different human types which could be mastered.

Psyk0

jramauri wrote: »

Uh... I noticed that altough technically the last works are better, I receive almost none comments. What's the matter, the subject? The style? =/

It's a bit difficult to give crits on stylized work i guess, each of us could take a different direction. The only other crits i can offer would be about making the gap between the front teeth wider and fix the anatomy of the tricep.

The heads of the tricep are not fused together all the way down, they're like a horseshoe
http://www.deeptissue.com/learn/elbow/triceps.jpg

You did a great job fixing the anatomy i pointed out by the way

JR

Hey guys, this is my attempt to do a likeness. Mr Denzel Washington.





Can you help me to improve this?

KazeoHin

What's to improve? If I could model at this level I'd be celebrating! damn good work, friend. Sorry I couldn't crit you.

Calabi

Good likeness to Denzel, the nose and mouth look too big to me. From what I've seen the mouth doesnt usualy extend beyond the pupil of the eye(but you have him smiling).

The side of the face also looks too flat.

JR

Thanks for the feedback, fellows

JR

Hi guys. I started working on this guy, but at the moment, I feel that he's too rigid, like a doll, or a corpse. Some tips in how to make him more organic/alive looking? A paintover would be great...

Stromberg90

I think he's right hand/wrist seems a bit wierd, looks like it doesn't bend like it should.
I am not character modeler so I can't provide the type of critic they can, but when I look at this, I think you need to do more on the rest of the body before atleast I can critic properly

JR

Thanks, man. I made some small changes on the model.

SirCalalot

Although I'm no Character Artist either, it helps to know a bit about the subject before critiquing.
Who is the character? What is his role and what is he supposed to be doing/feeling right now?
Obviously I can make my own assumptions, but I just want to know what you are working towards.

Loved your Conan piece by the way

chrisradsby

Ahh sweet work, love them!

JR

Thanks for your support, guys.
SirCalalot: I almost always fail in giving a background for a char, before start. My girlfriend have already stressed this issue many times... I hope I can change my way of doing things soon. By now, I think he's just a demon in a powerful posture, like if was giving a command for his demons army.

Here's a master copy, because Alex Oliver is a master!
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?62748-Sketchbook-(6-16-10)-NEW***movies-added-pge-158-159-160&p=485419&viewfull=1#post485419

JR

Another practice.

Di$array

Well I gotta say you're coming along with leaps and bounds.

As for your latest piece I would round of the shoulders a bit more in the side view. It seems to be a tad square...ish.

JR

Thanks, Di$array.

Well, I'm learning 3d more to apply on 3d concepts than to make fully animatable chars. So, here a practice in this direction. I haven't touched some parts yet, like his legs, but these pics give a good idea how the thing is developing.

Joseph Silverman

Very cool thread! You're VERY skilled, tough for a lot of us to crit, and then it's stylized enough that it's hard to pick out specific, concrete flaws.

Personally I would love to see you try your hand at significantly more intricate sculpting. I think with your fundamentals you should be trying to chase down artists like mrkite and b1ll

JR

Thank you, SupRore. I really hope some day to reach the level of these guys. I'm a loong time fan of b1ll, he's a great inspiration to me. I think the best way to get there is keep practicing, so, here are some updates.

JR

This guy is heavily based on SworSwor original artwork.
http://postfiles9.naver.net/data32/2008/6/26/264/face1_sworswor.jpg?type=w3