University Body Model

laim1991

I'm doing an anatomy study for a module at university and I've chosen to do an exaggerated male character




That's him so far, I was hoping to get a bit of criticism on my sculpt so far and also some advice on adding more detail to the muscles.

Thanks!

Liam

Psyk0

I dunno how much stylization you're going for, but the deltoid and shape of the calves need some love, also more latissimus dorsi.

laim1991

Thanks, yeah it is meant to be quite stylized but as it is a study of anatomy I've got to show off some knowledge of muscles groupings so I'll try and work on those muscles in particular.

laim1991

Here's a bit of an update

chrisradsby

Might just be the material but even though you got the muscles in there he looks kind of blobby? Mainly his obliques? Oh well good work so far man, looking forward to more

laim1991

Yeah I see what you mean, I'll try and tone the muscles a bit more. Thanks a lot

laim1991

Forgot to mention that this is my first sculpt so if anyone has any tips on particular brushes to use or any materials which are good to work with it'd be much appreciated.

Psyk0

I use gray materials from undoz when sculpting. For brushes, a mix of clay tubes / flatten / pinch / smooth & a custom one for cutting some details. I would probably use a bunch of new ones if i was using Zb4 tho. Find what works best for you.

laim1991

Those materials are great, thanks for the pointer

I've been working on some detailing on the face, adding pores and the like.


I've also made some changes to the rest of him and played with a bit of poly paint

LMP

You shouldn't be adding such fine details like pores yet, you don't have any medium details yet.

laim1991

Ah ok, what sort of medium detail do you think is missing? And are you talking just about the face or the entire body?

Thanks

laim1991

I realize now that that was a bit of an obvious question, i'm going to work on defining the skin folds and creases, wrinkles etc.

pior

Where is your 2D concept ?

laim1991

I ended up straying quite a lot from my 2D concept, the main reason for this was because, as this is for a university module and i had a specific deadline, i was keen to race ahead, my concept ended up not really being up to standard however i was so far down the line that i couldn't afford to start again. I'll have a look for it and post it after this.

This is where i'm at with the face at the moment

laim1991

Here it is



Not exactly proud of it but as i said i feel i kinda rushed this part as i was so keen to start sculpting.

This picture shows it side by side with an early version of my base mesh (note that was not what i ended up bringing into z brush)

laim1991

here's more detail on the face

NeoDement

Dunno what the point is in stylising things before you've practiced doing it non-stylised first. Gives you more room for error, basically.

laim1991

Yeah i see your point, sadly, as i said before, this is for a uni project and even though i can look back over this and point out mistakes i've made the hand in is in a week and i don't really have time to change it :P

laim1991

The concept behind my character is that he is sort of 'owned' by an underground fight club, for that reason the owners have branded him with their mark, i've tired to add that here and also some other scars

PHArt

Your characters calves are bulging out in the wrong place.
They should buldge in the opposite direction, though the curve you made on the outside of the leg does look okay. A little less radical would contribute to its believability.

Normally the inside split (meaning the one on the inside of the leg) of the Gastrocnemius muscle grows bigger than the other split.

Example.



As for the lower arm, it seems to be twisted downwards. The bulge on top is too exaggerated.

Either decrease the size of the Brachoradialis or increase the size of the muscles on the other side of the arm. And maybe bend it back a little.

Example.


Apart from that, your sculpt is looking great, though try to keep a low level on the detail. You can add that later. Just focus on getting the proportions right, assuming that is what your grade will be based upon.

laim1991

I have worked more on the legs after feedback from my uni tutors The grey side being the new sculpt.



I also had a go at texturing the face using Zapp link

laim1991

haha that's awesome! so useful, thanks a lot. the key binding thing is great as well, will really speed things up.

PHArt

I'm not sure if I'm too late with this (in your progress), but the calve is wrong. The Gastrocnemius muscle splits into two muscles just below the center of the lower leg. Yours doesn't seem to split at all.

The inside muscle always grows a little bit bigger than the outer one.



It comes down to that your lower leg bulges too far outwards to the sides and doesn't bulge inwards enough.

laim1991

No it's not to late, i'm hoping to sign this off later tonight so i'll give that a go before i'm finished all this feedback is really appreciated I feel like it's really helped me focus.

PHArt

If you're still up to editing some general parts, I'd change the angle of the lower arm.
It looks a bit exaggerated from the rest. Like as it's at an angle compared to the rest.

A regular arm looks like this:
http://www.bami.us/Images/Msk/ArmMusclesLabeledNIAMS.gif

I think you over amplified the Brachioradialis muscle and didn't bulge the extensors of the fore-arm enough. If you are going to sculpt a model, sculpt all of their muscles into the style you want them to be, anything too prominent will probably be ignored.

Apart from that. I enjoyed your model.

laim1991

Thanks again, yeah i'm not too keen to do much more to the sculpt as i've got to retop and texture it in a week and i've got three other modules to think about to include modelling the interior of a church, doing a matte painting and doing a 2d rendering of a plane but if you think little things like that will help i'll gie them a go.

Glad that you liked it

laim1991

I've made some changes to the calves and the forearms
here are the new arms

and here's a comparison of old and new

here are the new calves

and here's a comparison

laim1991

After some comments made by my lecturer I have made amendments to his posture, here's a comparison of the result with the original

Middle and left are different intensities of the same effect

laim1991

The comments from the lecturer being that his abs were too straight vertically and that the shin should have a subtle convex curve before it reaches the foot

laim1991

I think i've finished the sculpt now. There probably are other things i could add to it but i really should move on now. If anyone notices anything obviously wrong though i've got until tonight to change it as then i will start the retop

laim1991

I've started the retop and was quite a way through so i thought i'd quickly test how it reacted to a normal map, here's the result

laim1991

The area around the crotch is really messy and i'll be changing that but i'm doing my retop in 3d coat and then the normal mapping in 3ds max so i didn't want to change it inside max

Raider

your quads are still wrong anatomically mate, the rectus femoris (middle muscle) ends a fair bit before the vastus medialis (right side in pic) and is normally much more defined and bulked then the rectus also the same with vastus lateralis.



The deltoid (shoulder) is off as well but you're better of looking up some anatomical pictures and checking out the muscle connections and superficial details of a lot of the muscles. Same with the lats, with a guy that muscled you should generally see the lats since they make the V shape of the torso from the shoulders.

I dunno if you were going for high accuracy anatomy but that's what the title implied to me (i know you've exaggerated features), anyway hoped that helps some.

toxic_h2o

laim1991

Thanks for your advice raider, sadly i don't have the time to make any anatomical changes for the deadline however i will consider your thoughts when i continue him during the summer.

I'm not 100% sure what you're saying toxic? that my model looks similar to the heavy's head or that i should aim to make it more similar? in any case that isn't the most updated picture of the face but thanks for the feedback anyway

PeZa

Nice model Liam, but if you are going to continue it over the summer I would focus on improving the muscle definition in the forearms, and maby add some finer details such as veins

laim1991

I've started the diffuse in poly paint, at the moment I'm just blocking in the shading and tones and when i feel like I've done that to the best of my ability I'll use zapp link to add detail. What do people think of this workflow? If it seems wrong to you let me know as this'll be the first character texture i do!

laim1991

haha! god, the things one types at 3am after a full day's work :P

but I think i see your point, all the crits I've got since finalising the model will be noted and taken into account on the next project (or would people advise redoing this one at least from the sculpt? to be honest i'm pretty excited about starting a new project so might just keep these errors in and make sure i remember them)

laim1991

I'm trying to project my polypaint information from my high poly sculpt to my retopologised model and when i hit project all this happens



Can anyone help me with this? would be great to get a quick reply if possible as i'd like to have it done tonight

thanks

Liam

gibson543

you shuldnt try projecting the polypaint through zbrush, give the high poly some guv tiles while its on its lowest subdiv, select texture from polypaint, export the polypaint and the highpoly, then in xnormal import the high poly and "base texture to bake" then select base texture in the baking options. And done

laim1991

What are guv tiles? thanks a lot for this though, if it's as simple as you made it sound then great!

gibson543

Theyre automated UV tiles that zbrush gives you're model, they should be under the UV toolbar if i recall correctly, you should only use them for the high poly model though. Be sure you flip the polypainted texture vertically as well

laim1991

Thanks for your help, i'll give this a go. Hopefully i won't have any problems

gibson543

np man good luck

laim1991

Does anyone know of any good xnormal tutorials that cover this more extensively? It's seems like this is going to be a much easier way of doing it, thanks!

Showster

here ya go http://eat3d.com/zbrush-xnormal-pipeline

All the best

Greg

laim1991

Thanks Greg! you just considerably shortened my planned evening of work :P

Skillmister

Beaten by greg damnit

Really digging this model come a long way from the start. One thing i was going to ask on the DA; whats the reasoning behind not modelling in the toes (unless youve changed it recently)? They dont need that many tris and im sure it would look better.

laim1991

haha well thanks a lot it was mainly a bad choice that i didn't decide to rectify untill it was too late but is something i will discuss in my report and consider next time i do a character.


having some problems following that tutorial, when i generate this comes out



what i'm expecting is something that follows this uv map (example from my normal map using 3dsmax and the same high and low poly models)

laim1991

I think i've figured it out, didn't realise xnormal had a 3d viewer, when i went into that the two models were in completly different positions! haha well now i know what the problem is and as i don't believe you can move the models inside of xnormal (correct me if i'm wrong) i'm going to try and re align the pivots in 3ds max

laim1991

Aligning the pivots didn't work so does anyone have any suggestion on how i can line the models up inside xnormal?